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#481 Jas0nMacIsaac

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 02:06 PM

The fact that we have already Larsson, Merrill, Severson, Santini, Gelinas, Greene, and could have Fayne makes Jacobs a wasted pick.  That's especially the case when, outside of Henrique, there is no one in our system that is under 25 that you can even hope might score 30 in a season. 

 

Best player available is not a luxury the Devils can afford any more, even on its own terms.

Jacobs probably won't smell NHL till he is 21/22, at that point Merrill maybe pushing UFA and it is giving you options.


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Posted 28 June 2014 - 02:13 PM

Jacobs probably won't smell NHL till he is 21/22, at that point Merrill maybe pushing UFA and it is giving you options.

 

Oh goody, we're preparing for Merrill's FA but we're not preparing for Elias/Jagr to retire and filling other needs up front.


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Posted 28 June 2014 - 02:15 PM

Oh goody, we're preparing for Merrill's FA but we're not preparing for Elias/Jagr to retire and filling other needs up front.

 

If this wasn't so sad, it'd be hilarious and unfortunately, you're spot on


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Posted 28 June 2014 - 02:16 PM

The fact that we have already Larsson, Merrill, Severson, Santini, Gelinas, Greene, and could have Fayne makes Jacobs a wasted pick.  That's especially the case when, outside of Henrique, there is no one in our system that is under 25 that you can even hope might score 30 in a season. 

 

Best player available is not a luxury the Devils can afford any more, even on its own terms.

 

This is utter silliness.  One of these guys will almost certainly not pan out or be traded (or both).  Jacobs is 18 - by the time he is 22, Gelinas will be 27.  Andy Greene will be 35 going on 36.  I assure you this will look very dumb in 3 years.


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Posted 28 June 2014 - 02:17 PM

Oh goody, we're preparing for Merrill's FA but we're not preparing for Elias/Jagr to retire and filling other needs up front.

 

exactly, we won't replace those guys unless we overpay on the market. And on the market, god knows if guys will even want to sign here. its a big gamle to rely on UFAs so much now. we have NOTHING in our system


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Posted 28 June 2014 - 02:22 PM

Lou and Conte are stuck in a 1995/2003 vacuum. It's obvious They can't relate to today's NHL and don't give a damn what the rest of the league is doing. They stick to their "Devils Hockey" flowchart and ignore evetything else around them with blinders on. Gionta is most likely coming here. Actually, I'd be shocked at this point if he wasnt.
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Posted 28 June 2014 - 02:23 PM

Devils could've taken Point over Chatham in the 3rd, Audette over Rehill in the 5th, Watson over Dudek in the 6th, and an overager who produces like Vail over Baddock in the 6th. Unreal.

 

This is the post I'd like to address as a jumping off point.  If I had to put odds on it now, I'd say that one of Point, Audette, Watson, and Vail becomes an average or above NHLer.  It's very easy to panic late in the draft about misses and hits but look, most of these guys are going to miss - they may look like they come closer, because they are scoring players, but they'll probably miss in the end.  Of course, of the 4 guys the Devils took past round 2, odds are that 0 of them will be an average or above NHLer.  But on the other hand, all the guys that teams took over these guys that people wanted?  Some of those guys will make the NHL, and some of them will be average or above players.  

 

As it stands, it would've been nice to take one of these types of lottery tickets.  Dudek looks intriguing - but pretty much anything to me beats big dudes from Canadian junior, which of course NJ took 3 of today.


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Posted 28 June 2014 - 02:24 PM

This is utter silliness.  One of these guys will almost certainly not pan out or be traded (or both).  Jacobs is 18 - by the time he is 22, Gelinas will be 27.  Andy Greene will be 35 going on 36.  I assure you this will look very dumb in 3 years.

 

Repeat after me, there is no one in our system that was born after 1990  that can score goals outside of Henrique, and who even knows if the bottom will drop out there. 

 

In three years it's far more likely that we're still going to be complaining that the organization is not giving its defensemen clearly defined roles, while we're scraping the bottom of the barrell for scoring on the third day of free agency with the likes of Mason Raymond.


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Posted 28 June 2014 - 02:26 PM

This is the post I'd like to address as a jumping off point.  If I had to put odds on it now, I'd say that one of Point, Audette, Watson, and Vail becomes an average or above NHLer.  It's very easy to panic late in the draft about misses and hits but look, most of these guys are going to miss - they may look like they come closer, because they are scoring players, but they'll probably miss in the end.  Of course, of the 4 guys the Devils took past round 2, odds are that 0 of them will be an average or above NHLer.  It would've been nice to take one of these types of lottery tickets.  Dudek looks intriguing - pretty much anything to me beats big dudes from Canadian junior, which of course NJ took 3 of today.

 

The point is that it shows Lou and Conte are utterly tone deaf.


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Posted 28 June 2014 - 02:41 PM

Repeat after me, there is no one in our system that was born after 1990  that can score goals outside of Henrique, and who even knows if the bottom will drop out there. 

 

In three years it's far more likely that we're still going to be complaining that the organization is not giving its defensemen clearly defined roles, while we're scraping the bottom of the barrell for scoring on the third day of free agency with the likes of Mason Raymond.

 

I won't repeat after you because the Devils have Reid Boucher who put up extremely impressive numbers at Sarnia and had about as good a rookie AHL season coming of junior as any Devils prospect has in the last 10 years.  On his callup he didn't look out of place, either.  A long NHL career is likely.

 

The Devils probably think that one of Bell, Kujawinski, Coleman, Matteau, Black, Johnson, Thomson, Wood, Pietila, or Kerfoot will be something at the NHL level.  They may add to that list with a free agent as well.

 

Elite level scoring, obviously they lack, outside of Boucher who likely will not become a consistent 30 goal guy.  They were going to lack that anyway after this draft.


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Posted 28 June 2014 - 02:47 PM

I've seen the Henrique comparison thrown out by Devils brass regarding Quennville.  In his draft eligible season, JQ outscored AH rather handily and played on a much worse team than Windsor.  Obviously Henrique developed very well, but I think Q can really be a player


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Posted 28 June 2014 - 02:59 PM

I've seen the Henrique comparison thrown out by Devils brass regarding Quennville.  In his draft eligible season, JQ outscored AH rather handily and played on a much worse team than Windsor.  Obviously Henrique developed very well, but I think Q can really be a player

 

If Henrique sticks at wing, clearly the biggest need for the franchise is not winger, where they have a bunch of guys who can at least plausibly play the position, but center, where they have Zajac and maybe Josefson and a whole lot of nothing going forward.


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Posted 28 June 2014 - 03:04 PM

If Henrique sticks at wing, clearly the biggest need for the franchise is not winger, where they have a bunch of guys who can at least plausibly play the position, but center, where they have Zajac and maybe Josefson and a whole lot of nothing going forward.

Yeah, it's just not clear yet what the Devils want to do with Henrique.  He had early success centering Clowe and Ryder this year, but really took off while playing wing with Elias.  I hope they leave him alone at LW and get a 3C via free agency. 


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Posted 28 June 2014 - 03:05 PM

So being at the draft these past two days was interesting.  Couple notes:

 

1) Flyers fans hate the Penguins.  I mean, they REALLY hate the Penguins.

 

2) It's pretty special to watch these kids get their names called.  We were actually seated right next to a kid who went to Colorado today (3rd round, blanking on the name.  Kid was from Quebec, parents were speaking french) but watching the celebration was awesome.  The parents in particular were just besides themselves.. water works and everything.  You can tell this really means a lot to them (obviously).

 

3) Lou and Conte apparently just don't get it..or have a very interesting way of going about building this team.  One highlight from the day - I was sitting on the side closest to the Devils table, and around the...5th or 6th round, Conte got up to leave the floor (presumably to go the bathroom or something) and I actually yelled as he walked by "COME ON CONTE, WE NEED SCORING FORWARDS!" like a total moron.  He actually stopped, turned around to look at me and mouthed something...I thought I saw him say "don't worry about it" or something along those lines..but the people I was with were certain he said something a little less...uh..friendly.  He probably thought I was an idiot but I don't care, I was just pleased to have gotten his attention.

 

4) That Wells-Fargo Center has aged really well.  Still seems like a really, really nice arena and it's what..15+ years old now?  And Xfinity Live! is a blast.  Wish the Devils had a place like that near the arena.


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Posted 28 June 2014 - 03:08 PM

I won't repeat after you because the Devils have Reid Boucher who put up extremely impressive numbers at Sarnia and had about as good a rookie AHL season coming of junior as any Devils prospect has in the last 10 years.  On his callup he didn't look out of place, either.  A long NHL career is likely.

 

The Devils probably think that one of Bell, Kujawinski, Coleman, Matteau, Black, Johnson, Thomson, Wood, Pietila, or Kerfoot will be something at the NHL level.  They may add to that list with a free agent as well.

 

Elite level scoring, obviously they lack, outside of Boucher who likely will not become a consistent 30 goal guy.  They were going to lack that anyway after this draft.

 

Again, you're missing the point.  No one is saying that any of the players available are a certainty to turn into goal scorers at the NHL level.  The point is that passing people that put up more than 90 points over what they took is a good way to ensure that the scoring is not going to get better.  It also shows that Lou and Conte are taking a "What, Me Worry" attitude in that department.


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Posted 28 June 2014 - 03:25 PM

This draft was very underwhelming. And now we wait for Lou to do nothing during FA (outside of signing Gionta) and watch him refuse to use the buyout on Volch. I wish Fayne all the best...

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 03:29 PM

PP players are quite easy to pick up through UFA. What NJ seems to find are players who can outplay the opposition 5 on 5. I am going to work in a 3 year chunk since it is impossibe to possibly look that far ahead.

 

3rd RW Brunner 28-31 (Low NHL miles)

1st/2nd LW Henrique 24-27

3rd CJosefson 23-26

2nd C Zajac 29-32

2nd/3rd LW Matteau 20-23

3rd/4th RW Silso 26-29

1st/2nd RW/LW Boucher 20-23

2nd/3rd C Quenneville 18-21 (won't make team now)

3rd LW Sekac 22-25 (Possibly)

 

This is not to mention toolsy shooters like Pietila, Black, Johnson and Coleman who will likely be ok possession players at the minor league level or roles at he NHL level.


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Posted 28 June 2014 - 03:37 PM

This draft was very underwhelming. And now we wait for Lou to do nothing during FA (outside of signing Gionta) and watch him refuse to use the buyout on Volch. I wish Fayne all the best...

 

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 03:37 PM

PP players are quite easy to pick up through UFA. What NJ seems to find are players who can outplay the opposition 5 on 5. I am going to work in a 3 year chunk since it is impossibe to possibly look that far ahead.

 

3rd RW Brunner 28-31 (Low NHL miles)

1st/2nd LW Henrique 24-27

3rd CJosefson 23-26

2nd C Zajac 29-32

2nd/3rd LW Matteau 20-23

3rd/4th RW Silso 26-29

1st/2nd RW/LW Boucher 20-23

2nd/3rd C Quenneville 18-21 (won't make team now)

3rd LW Sekac 22-25 (Possibly)

 

This is not to mention toolsy shooters like Pietila, Black, Johnson and Coleman who will likely be ok possession players at the minor league level or roles at he NHL level.

 

I don't understand this post at all. Are the numbers their ages? Why are they listed like that? Are these people supposed to be good 5 on 5? If so, how do you know?


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Posted 28 June 2014 - 03:39 PM

Also, what happens if MIles Wood isn't all this college hype and puts up 35 points in 40 games while Dudek puts up 27 points in 40 games the following year. Our forward prospect pool looks all that much stronger.


I don't understand this post at all. Are the numbers their ages? Why are they listed like that? Are these people supposed to be good 5 on 5? If so, how do you know?

 

Quite a few of them project to be good 5 on 5 players and it shows NJ has plenty of 2nd/3rd line depth moving forward with current 1st line players.


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