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#101 SterioDesign

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Posted 24 May 2014 - 08:10 PM

I didn't mean to imply race really had anything to do with it - I just think the results speak for themselves.

 

If you have a choice of picking an apple from three trees (to keep it simple), and you've picked quite a few rotten ones from tree A, why would you feel inclined to keep picking apples from that first tree?

 

we got nothing good out of any trees in the last 10 years. Doesnt really matter at this point


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Posted 24 May 2014 - 08:13 PM

we got nothing good out of any trees in the last 10 years. Doesnt really matter at this point


Fair point, true.

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 05:40 AM

Just got my copy of the Future Considerations Draft Guide for under $20. Been up all night catching up on MLS and UFC so I'm not going to look through it yet but I've always been satisfied in recent years. I'll probably look at some of the names that have been mentioned recently in this thread to see what FC says on them at some point tomorrow.

 

Regarding Demko, he seems like the best G but drafting/scouting G's has been fairly inefficient and difficult in the past so I'm hesitant to take him if he's on the board at 30 or 41 (doubt he slips past that). Really hoping to take BPA available at those spots, hopefully forwards. I haven't looked at the European G's yet but one NA G that caught my eye this year was Alexander Nedeljkovic (Plymouth - OHL).

 

Slightly undersized at 6'0, 182 but put up a .925 SV% this year in 61 games and had an impressive 76 GA%- and 53.49 GSAA which crushed his fellow OHL draft eligibles in his age 18 season. He only saw 26 games in his age 17 season but put up a .923 SV% in 26 games. On the radar of USA Hockey as he's represented them at the Hlinka Memorial Tournament and the WJC-U18 too.

I'm not advocating taking a G since they are tough to predict and can be had for as UDFA's but if the Devils really want to take one and he was still around for their 3rd round pick, I wouldn't mind it. Would be even better if he somehow lasted till their 5th round pick. CSS ranked other G's ahead of him due to size which seems most important on their list. Maybe some teams will pass up on him for awhile.


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Posted 25 May 2014 - 05:54 AM

Tons of information on OHL prospects just came out in the blogger world...

 

Sean Lafortune (twitter) of TheScout.ca ranks the top OHL skaters. It's a top 40 list with a blurb on each player.

 

Brock Otten (twitter) of OHL Prospects has numerous post on his top 50 OHL prospects for this draft.

- Part 1: Honorable Mentions

- Part 2: 50-31

- Part 3: 30-11

- Part 4: 10-1

 

Terrel (twitter) from Arctic Ice Hockey is putting together his top 60.
Part 1: 46-60 and honorable mentions.
Part 2: 31-45
Part 3: 21-30

 

Got a lot of reading to get through during the next few weeks.


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Posted 25 May 2014 - 07:39 AM

I didn't mean to imply race really had anything to do with it - I just think the results speak for themselves.

 

If you have a choice of picking an apple from three trees (to keep it simple), and you've picked quite a few rotten ones from tree A, why would you feel inclined to keep picking apples from that first tree?

 

We're all the same race, man.

 

And you'd have a point if there hadn't been any good apples found in that tree, but there were. Devils either picked the wrong ones or handled them poorly.


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Posted 25 May 2014 - 11:32 AM

We're all the same race, man.

And you'd have a point if there hadn't been any good apples found in that tree, but there were. Devils either picked the wrong ones or handled them poorly.


I wouldn't say it's completely out of line to take a prospect's ethnicity into account. It's not based on genetics, just that I imagine, for example, Swedish players grow up being taught to play the game in a certain way that might be different from a North American or Russian player. It may or may not mesh well with a particular NHL team's system.

Of course it's probably more of a coincidence that the Swedish players the Devils have drafted recently have been underwhelming and that they would have been that way no matter what team picked them.


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Posted 25 May 2014 - 12:45 PM

I wouldn't say it's completely out of line to take a prospect's ethnicity into account. It's not based on genetics, just that I imagine, for example, Swedish players grow up being taught to play the game in a certain way that might be different from a North American or Russian player. It may or may not mesh well with a particular NHL team's system.

Of course it's probably more of a coincidence that the Swedish players the Devils have drafted recently have been underwhelming and that they would have been that way no matter what team picked them.
 

 

That's fair Daniel. But the Swedish "stereotype" is strong 2-way play, right? Which is pretty much the Devils way as well. They've drafted five guys (lol sample size) and you can argue three of those were considered 2-way players (Urbom, Larsson, Josefson) and the other two offense first and defense never (Bergfors, Tedenby). Jury is still out on Larsson, Urbom's simply not good enough and JJ probably isn't more than a 3rd C at best. 


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Posted 25 May 2014 - 02:12 PM

Connor bleackley would be a good fit
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Posted 25 May 2014 - 09:45 PM

Tons of information on OHL prospects just came out in the blogger world...

 

Sean Lafortune (twitter) of TheScout.ca ranks the top OHL skaters. It's a top 40 list with a blurb on each player.

 

Brock Otten (twitter) of OHL Prospects has numerous post on his top 50 OHL prospects for this draft.

- Part 1: Honorable Mentions

- Part 2: 50-31

- Part 3: 30-11

- Part 4: 10-1

 

Terrel (twitter) from Arctic Ice Hockey is putting together his top 60.
Part 1: 46-60 and honorable mentions.
Part 2: 31-45
Part 3: 21-30

 

Got a lot of reading to get through during the next few weeks.

Lots of good info


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Posted 03 June 2014 - 08:11 AM

Sam Bennett and Private Pyle have one thing in common.

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Posted 03 June 2014 - 08:48 AM

Sam Bennett and Private Pyle have one thing in common.

http://msn.foxsports...-pull-up-060214


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Eh I think the press is making it a bigger issue than it is.

 

But damn does he look like he is 17 going on 33.


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Posted 03 June 2014 - 08:50 AM

Holy #### that is pretty crazy. Being an in shape 18 year old and not being able to do a single pull up is sort of sad
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Posted 03 June 2014 - 08:55 AM

It doesn't affect his status as an elite prospect, but yeah that pretty sad lol. To illustrate how easy it is to to do a pull-up, I was able to do 8 of them when we used to do the state health and fitness test in high school. It isn't difficult at all.

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Posted 03 June 2014 - 09:18 AM

Holy #### that is pretty crazy. Being an in shape 18 year old and not being able to do a single pull up is sort of sad


I remember hearing Niedermeyer was particularly underwhelming so far as strength was concerned.

Doesn't really effect anything, but kind if interesting.


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Posted 03 June 2014 - 09:32 AM

I remember hearing Niedermeyer was particularly underwhelming so far as strength was concerned.

Doesn't really effect anything, but kind if interesting.


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Obviously it has little-no bearing on how he'll be as a pro, but with how much training has improved the last 20 years, it's somewhat shocking
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Posted 03 June 2014 - 11:35 AM

Some guys intentionally don't work out for this thing because they figure their draft status will go up if they do poorly, or so I've heard.  I believe Huberdeau could only do 2 pullups.


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Posted 03 June 2014 - 11:43 AM

Some guys intentionally don't work out for this thing because they figure their draft status will go up if they do poorly, or so I've heard. I believe Huberdeau could only do 2 pullups.


I take it because they feel a GM will say that look how well he did when he was a weakling, get him into the weight room and he'll only get better?


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Posted 03 June 2014 - 03:09 PM

Regarding goaltenders a bit earlier in this thread, I personally think we don't need to take one since I actually have a lot of confidence in Wedgewood, for I see a lot of Jonathan Quick in him, but if we were to select a goalie, Ville Husso is incredibly intriguing to me. Has pretty good size (6'3", 205 I believe) and the Fins always develop goaltenders that are very good with their hands as well, he had a very good season for HIFK in Finland posting a 1.99 GAA and a .930 SV% but his stock might be pulled down a bit by a weak World Juniors where Juuse Saros won the starting job for Finland, so it's possible that he'd be a 3rd round sleeper, I could see him making whichever team that drafts him very happy someday.


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Posted 03 June 2014 - 04:12 PM

I haven't read up on the European G's yet but glancing at Husso's numbers he seems pretty good. Pronman has him listed as his #2 G and Future Considerations has him ranked at #105 and #6 amongst G's.

 

I can't remember if I posted this in the past but it's interesting to see how metrics like Goals Saved Above Average and Goals Allowed %- clash with the Central Scouting rankings. I only have the data for the QMJHL and OHL:

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Reminder that you want a positive GSAA and a lower GA%- (100 is average). Despite being slightly undersized, Nedeljkovic really separated himself from his OHL peers this year. Moran seems to benefit from being 6'4 in the eyes of the CSS scouts.


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Posted 04 June 2014 - 12:31 PM

We're all the same race, man.
 
And you'd have a point if there hadn't been any good apples found in that tree, but there were. Devils either picked the wrong ones or handled them poorly.


Well, to be specific, we are all the same species. Otoh, race is a concept that has been (mis)applied to a variety of human types showing physical differences. The reality is that race does not exist as a biological concept--it is an intellectual construct and exists merely as a subjective identity with some seemingly objective traits.

Okay, back to the discussion...
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