Jump to content

Photo

Devils getting rid of R&R part 2 as their goal song?


  • This topic is locked This topic is locked
1569 replies to this topic

#701 Triumph

Triumph

    A Legend

  • Mod
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 27,744 posts

Posted 07 October 2013 - 05:47 PM

Not sure who they want to replace them with, the obnoxious 20 something year old with discretionary income is the perfect "mark" for season tickets, it's how I got in and I hung on for a long time.  They also tend to mature as they get older.  Either way it's a bad misreading.

 

Scott O'Neill's opening remarks about coming on board as CEO seemed to indicate that they wanted to increase their corporate presence.  Obnoxious 20 somethings are certainly better than nothing, but they don't often buy club seats or boxes.


  • 0

http://drivingplay.blogspot.com - The blog with three first lines
 


#702 ATLL765

ATLL765

    Assistant Coach

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,250 posts

Posted 07 October 2013 - 05:52 PM

That's supposedly why it was removed the first time, in the mid 00's (06 maybe?). It was a league-wide thing, but possibly not league mandated. I believe the NFL officially banned it. Once something was cleared up with royalties no longer going to Glitter, it began to reappear in the NFL and I think Colorado brought it back to the NHL.

 

We used Ole for a year or 2, and we had the god awful Zombie Nation song the first year or so at the Rock. Then one opening night, it was RR2 again.

I'm pretty sure there's no way to prevent royalties being paid to someone when they're rightfully earned. Even if the guy is a convicted pedophile.

They would have had to prove the actual making of the song was linked to the crimes and was part of it and thus not legally earned income. I think. I'm not a lawyer though.


Edited by ATLL765, 07 October 2013 - 05:53 PM.

  • 0

#703 maxpower

maxpower

    Hall of Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,427 posts

Posted 07 October 2013 - 05:57 PM

Scott O'Neill's opening remarks about coming on board as CEO seemed to indicate that they wanted to increase their corporate presence.  Obnoxious 20 somethings are certainly better than nothing, but they don't often buy club seats or boxes.

 

Yeah, but in numbers that's about 15% of your audience.   Obviously a far larger share of revenue but it's a bad time.   Keep in mind when they did renewals last year there was this guy playing for the team that isn't anymore.    They're going to have it rough with renewals next year unless they have a good season.  I really, really would not poke the bear this year.


  • 0

#704 Satans Hockey

Satans Hockey

    A Legend

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 11,145 posts

Posted 07 October 2013 - 06:00 PM

I hope this lasts all season cause I find it pretty amusing and I would love to see the Devils front office have their balls busted all season long over this especially when they have the balls to call long term season ticket holders ticket brokers.
  • 0

#705 Colorado Rockies 1976

Colorado Rockies 1976

    A Legend

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 10,505 posts

Posted 07 October 2013 - 06:08 PM

Loved R&R Part 2, but at the same time, it is possible to move on from it.

 

If the Devils were this hellbent on getting rid of it, why the hell they didn't start test-driving some other songs during the preseason, or at least INFORM the fanbase well ahead of time that R&R Part 2 was going away for good, I have no idea, but the geniuses who actually thought that springing a pile-of-sh!t song like that Bon Jovi trainwreck on the opening night crowd was a good idea don't get a do-over here, unfortunately.  That's what I find more aggravating about it than anything else...it was just so fvcking ARROGANT. 

 

Hopefully, they're now going to come up with solid choices (and not waste our time with a "This is our house" equivalent), and this gets sorted out quickly.  R&R Part 2 was a great tradition for the most part, but it's done now, and it's not worth dwelling on.  But I believe 100% that there IS a good goal song that a good majority will be able to get behind.  It's just going to take a little work to find it.

 

And in case these boneheads can't figure it out for themselves:

 

Not everyone in NJ loves Bon Jovi.

Not everyone in NJ loves Bruce Springsteen.

In fact, a lot of people from NJ despise BOTH of them, and couldn't care less that they come from NJ. 

 

Pick goal songs based on how well they'll work as goal songs, not by where the performers hail from. 


  • 0
THE NHL MUST LOVE THE DEVILS - from who else? A RANGER fan!
[Mark Messier]: A big, bald attention whore with a stupid Easter Island-lookin face. - from who else? DaneykoIsGod!

Even when Marty comes back maybe Larry should put Clemmensen to be on the goal during the shootouts.
Can the coach do that ? Switch the goalies 5 seconds to go in overtime?
- Most priceless quote ever posted on a message board.

Martin Brodeur: THE MOST ALL-TIME WINS!, 12 straight seasons of 30+ wins, 3 Stanley Cups, 4 Vezina Trophies, and zero respect from too many so-called Devils "fans" who are either too young or too bandwagon to remember the much darker days of Sean Burke, Craig Billington, Bob Sauve, Alain Chevrier, and the talented but overwhelmed Chico Resch, among many others.

It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

#30 FOREVER!

20 out of 1,946 njdevs.com members agree: CR1976 is the Most Knowledgable Poster of 2008! Victory is mine...oh yes, victory is mine!

#706 Daniel

Daniel

    Hall of Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,782 posts

Posted 07 October 2013 - 06:08 PM

I'm pretty sure there's no way to prevent royalties being paid to someone when they're rightfully earned. Even if the guy is a convicted pedophile.

They would have had to prove the actual making of the song was linked to the crimes and was part of it and thus not legally earned income. I think. I'm not a lawyer though.


While I am not familiar with the particulars of Garry Glitters case, there are means by which future earnings are used to compensate crime victims. In NY they're called Son of Sam laws.
  • 0
Posted Image
I collect spores, molds and fungus.
Hello fellow American. This you should vote me. I leave power. Good. Thank you, thank you. If you vote me, I'm hot. What? Taxes, they'll be lower... son. The Democratic vote is the right thing to do Philadelphia, so do.
How do you spot risk? How do you avoid risk? And what makes it so risky?

#707 HellOnICE

HellOnICE

    Hall of Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,674 posts

Posted 07 October 2013 - 06:12 PM

I'm too lazy to post it, but the hook of Rage Against the Machine's Bombtrack - "BURN BURN BURN" - I kind of like that.


  • 0

#708 PWW

PWW

    Senior Devil

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 889 posts

Posted 07 October 2013 - 06:13 PM

If the Devils were this hellbent on getting rid of it, why the hell they didn't start test-driving some other songs during the preseason, or at least INFORM the fanbase well ahead of time that R&R Part 2 was going away for good, I have no idea, but the geniuses who actually thought that springing a pile-of-sh!t song like that Bon Jovi trainwreck on the opening night crowd was a good idea don't get a do-over here, unfortunately.  That's what I find more aggravating about it than anything else...it was just so fvcking ARROGANT. 

 

This right here is kind of why I think the Devils are in for more of a pushback from the fans than they think. People are mad about what was done, how it was done and of course, the timing of it all. I could see this getting really ugly and carrying on for awhile. Also, keep in mind that there are people who don't read any of this, who are gonna go to a game unassuming, hear a different song, and react all over again. I'm certain that they really have no plan on what they're doing and just do sh!t on a whim and hope for the best. This could be the time it backfires the biggest.


Edited by PWW, 07 October 2013 - 06:33 PM.

  • 0

believe-devs.jpg


#709 devilsrule33

devilsrule33

    A Legend

  • Mod
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 12,113 posts

Posted 07 October 2013 - 06:18 PM

And in case these boneheads can't figure it out for themselves:

 

Not everyone in NJ loves Bon Jovi.

Not everyone in NJ loves Bruce Springsteen.

In fact, a lot of people from NJ despise BOTH of them, and couldn't care less that they come from NJ. 

 

Pick goal songs based on how well they'll work as goal songs, not by where the performers hail from. 

 

Well here is the obvious thing from the the people complaining: They are about 17-24 and male on average. That's a kind of group that probably really isn't into JBJ or Bruce at all. So it's almost insult to injury for that group. You can have a new goal song that people might complain about because it isn't RR2, but eventually come to enjoy, but that isn't going to be JBJ.


  • 0

"The Stanley Cup has fallen from the Stars. The new millennium has its first Stanley Cup Champion, and it's the New Jersey Devils." Mike Miller calling the Devils winning the Stanley Cup.

"It goes to the captain and then there are handoffs during a skate around the ice" Mike Emrick as Scott Stevens is being presented the Stanley Cup.


#710 maxpower

maxpower

    Hall of Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,427 posts

Posted 07 October 2013 - 06:20 PM

I'm too lazy to post it, but the hook of Rage Against the Machine's Bombtrack - "BURN BURN BURN" - I kind of like that.

 

"Sucks" is too controversial and you think they're going to use a RATM track?


  • 0

#711 Satans Hockey

Satans Hockey

    A Legend

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 11,145 posts

Posted 07 October 2013 - 06:20 PM

it was just so fvcking ARROGANT.



This sums up the Devils front office this year. From them calling season ticket holders ticket brokers and to them saying we can't print OUR tickets until 48 hrs before the game so they can make more money off nhl ticket exchange. Everything about them is arrogant this year.

The Devils front office can go fvck themselves this year.
  • 0

#712 ATLL765

ATLL765

    Assistant Coach

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,250 posts

Posted 07 October 2013 - 06:24 PM

While I am not familiar with the particulars of Garry Glitters case, there are means by which future earnings are used to compensate crime victims. In NY they're called Son of Sam laws.

He was convicted under UK law though, right? I'm not terribly familiar with the case.


  • 0

#713 Colorado Rockies 1976

Colorado Rockies 1976

    A Legend

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 10,505 posts

Posted 07 October 2013 - 06:28 PM

This right here is kind of why I think the Devils are in for more of a pushback from the fans than they think. People are mad. About what was done and how it was done and of course, the timing of it all. I could see this getting really ugly and carrying on for awhile. Also, keep in mind that there are people who don't read any of this, who are gonna go to a game unassuming, here a different song, and react all over again. I'm certain that they really have no plan on what they're doing and just do sh!t on a whim and hope for the best. This could be the time it backfires the biggest.

 

Giving your fans the finger is never a good idea, and that's how this comes off.  Like I've said, I don't have a problem with the organization deciding that R&R Part 2 had run its course, but they couldn't have possibly handled it any worse than they did, and I'm amazed that there was absolutely zero common sense behind how it was handled. 

 

Be friggin' HONEST with your fanbase.  Tell them that you are indeed doing away with R&R Part 2, and tell them WHY.  Do it well ahead of time, so the fans have time to digest and accept the idea.  Yes, there would have been some backlash initially, but it's amazing what being forthright will do for you. 

 

After that, make it clear that you are accepting suggestions, and open up a link where suggestions can be sent.  Also make it clear that the five most-sent-in suggestions will be posted, and the final choice will be put to a fan vote.  If the higher-ups are THAT concerned about "suck" making its way into the new goal song, then find the top five that aren't really conducive to "suck" being a part of it.

 

No, not everyone will be happy with the final choice (and no song exists that is going to have 100% universal appeal), but at least the fans would have felt somewhat involved from the very beginning, which would have made a world of difference.  I don't know how this got so loused up, but I'd LOVE to discuss it with the idiots who were clearly clueless here.  The thought process had to have been comical in its incompetence.


Edited by Colorado Rockies 1976, 07 October 2013 - 07:11 PM.

  • 0
THE NHL MUST LOVE THE DEVILS - from who else? A RANGER fan!
[Mark Messier]: A big, bald attention whore with a stupid Easter Island-lookin face. - from who else? DaneykoIsGod!

Even when Marty comes back maybe Larry should put Clemmensen to be on the goal during the shootouts.
Can the coach do that ? Switch the goalies 5 seconds to go in overtime?
- Most priceless quote ever posted on a message board.

Martin Brodeur: THE MOST ALL-TIME WINS!, 12 straight seasons of 30+ wins, 3 Stanley Cups, 4 Vezina Trophies, and zero respect from too many so-called Devils "fans" who are either too young or too bandwagon to remember the much darker days of Sean Burke, Craig Billington, Bob Sauve, Alain Chevrier, and the talented but overwhelmed Chico Resch, among many others.

It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

#30 FOREVER!

20 out of 1,946 njdevs.com members agree: CR1976 is the Most Knowledgable Poster of 2008! Victory is mine...oh yes, victory is mine!

#714 HellOnICE

HellOnICE

    Hall of Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,674 posts

Posted 07 October 2013 - 06:36 PM

"Sucks" is too controversial and you think they're going to use a RATM track?

 

It has nothing to do with the song or singers. It's the fans.

 

If it was the song or the lyrics, then they wouldn't play so many of the songs they already play.

 

The problem is with the Hey Song, they are SANCTIONING a crowd chant that's somewhat derogatory.

 

RATM is better than Gary Glitter if you want to get into that discussion.


Edited by HellOnICE, 07 October 2013 - 06:36 PM.

  • 0

#715 thelastonealive

thelastonealive

    Hall of Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 8,913 posts

Posted 07 October 2013 - 06:40 PM

Loved R&R Part 2, but at the same time, it is possible to move on from it.

 

If the Devils were this hellbent on getting rid of it, why the hell they didn't start test-driving some other songs during the preseason, or at least INFORM the fanbase well ahead of time that R&R Part 2 was going away for good, I have no idea, but the geniuses who actually thought that springing a pile-of-sh!t song like that Bon Jovi trainwreck on the opening night crowd was a good idea don't get a do-over here, unfortunately.  That's what I find more aggravating about it than anything else...it was just so fvcking ARROGANT.

 

That's kind of where I'm at with it. It felt like someone chose the goal song because it was someone who's not from New Jersey deciding what they thought someone from New Jersey would like. It's just kind of cheesy and dumb. And as many others have mentioned, doesn't work.

 

Frankly I'm okay with just about anything else at this point, but I actually really hope we DON'T go back to Rock & Roll Part II. Change it from Bon Jovi, absolutely, but don't just go back.  In a perfect world, I'd like to see Howl by Gaslight Anthem or Ole by Bouncing Souls - both of which have been previously mentioned, work very well as goal songs, and have the added benefit of being by bands from New Jersey who aren't incredibly cheesy.

 

(For that matter, I'd like to know who was in charge of the overall music playlist Friday - did we play a single song from the last 20 years, besides Macklemore? I know classic rock and whatnot is big, but my god, the 80s ended 23 years ago guys.)


  • 0

Proud recipient of the 2011-'12 Sergei Brylin Award for Most Underrated Poster, the  2007-'08, 2008-'09, and 2009-'10 Lady Byng Award for Nicest Poster, 

the 2008-'09 Bobby Holik Award for Funniest Poster, and the 2009-'10 NJDevs.com Stanley Cup for Best Overall Poster.
2009 NJDevs.com Survival League Football Champion


#716 HellOnICE

HellOnICE

    Hall of Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,674 posts

Posted 07 October 2013 - 06:45 PM

I thought Ole was great. The more I listen to this song's hook...it'd be awesome on high and repeat.

 


Edited by HellOnICE, 07 October 2013 - 06:47 PM.

  • 0

#717 Daniel

Daniel

    Hall of Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,782 posts

Posted 07 October 2013 - 06:46 PM

He was convicted under UK law though, right? I'm not terribly familiar with the case.

It might depend on where the money would be earned. So theoretically, if he sues the Devils for not paying royalties, he has to do so in an American court. On a side note, I was googling this issue, and ran across a story where the Pats stopped playing Rock and Roll Part II in favor of This is Our House.

I thought Ole was great. The more I listen to this song's hook...it'd be awesome on high and repeat.

Don't the Canadians use that song? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
  • 0
Posted Image
I collect spores, molds and fungus.
Hello fellow American. This you should vote me. I leave power. Good. Thank you, thank you. If you vote me, I'm hot. What? Taxes, they'll be lower... son. The Democratic vote is the right thing to do Philadelphia, so do.
How do you spot risk? How do you avoid risk? And what makes it so risky?

#718 TheMazz

TheMazz

    All-Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,330 posts

Posted 07 October 2013 - 06:47 PM

Well here is the obvious thing from the the people complaining: They are about 17-24 and male on average. That's a kind of group that probably really isn't into JBJ or Bruce at all. So it's almost insult to injury for that group. You can have a new goal song that people might complain about because it isn't RR2, but eventually come to enjoy, but that isn't going to be JBJ.

 

I'm 24 and I like Springsteen. Jovi not so much but if they can come up with a good Springsteen goal horn i'd be open to it.


  • 0

n2eg.jpg


#719 NJDEVS1730

NJDEVS1730

    Senior Devil

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 656 posts

Posted 07 October 2013 - 06:57 PM

The sad thing is they think if they stop playing the song, the fans will stop saying "you suck." Well I'm sure everyone who was at the game on Friday heard otherwise, so nothing would stop them from saying that..


  • 0

#720 Colorado Rockies 1976

Colorado Rockies 1976

    A Legend

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 10,505 posts

Posted 07 October 2013 - 07:03 PM

The sad thing is they think if they stop playing the song, the fans will stop saying "you suck." Well I'm sure everyone who was at the game on Friday heard otherwise, so nothing would stop them from saying that..

 

Yet another way that the manner in which this was handled backfired...now you've got enough of the "you suck"ers determined to say fvck you right back.  Even if they didn't intend for this to happen, there's clearly very much an "Us vs. Them" thing going on now.  The organization could've worked with their fans on this, but chose to work against them.  So stupid and preventable. 


  • 0
THE NHL MUST LOVE THE DEVILS - from who else? A RANGER fan!
[Mark Messier]: A big, bald attention whore with a stupid Easter Island-lookin face. - from who else? DaneykoIsGod!

Even when Marty comes back maybe Larry should put Clemmensen to be on the goal during the shootouts.
Can the coach do that ? Switch the goalies 5 seconds to go in overtime?
- Most priceless quote ever posted on a message board.

Martin Brodeur: THE MOST ALL-TIME WINS!, 12 straight seasons of 30+ wins, 3 Stanley Cups, 4 Vezina Trophies, and zero respect from too many so-called Devils "fans" who are either too young or too bandwagon to remember the much darker days of Sean Burke, Craig Billington, Bob Sauve, Alain Chevrier, and the talented but overwhelmed Chico Resch, among many others.

It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

#30 FOREVER!

20 out of 1,946 njdevs.com members agree: CR1976 is the Most Knowledgable Poster of 2008! Victory is mine...oh yes, victory is mine!




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users