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#1201 Vic Rattlehead18

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 10:07 AM

Yes.  Beer, like the goal song, is such a small part of the game-day experience (at least to me) that I wouldn't give a sh!t.

 

Also in real life I would be happy if they got rid of Coors Light and Bud.  If it was a beer that I really liked, then I would shrug my shoulders and just not drink beer.  I do not need beer or a goal song to "enhance" my experience at the game (which is really what I paid to watch).

Not unless you're my brother. He's a diehard but doesn't like going to games if he doesn't have enough money for beer. Even when the ticket is free. Alcoholics are alcoholics.


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Posted 22 October 2013 - 10:11 AM

If 95% of the arena booed on opening night it certainly didn't come across on TV. I have heard varying estimates about that too so it depends on who you ask.


Crowd noise never comes across well on MSG. I was there, the boos were loud. To the point where the Devils cranked up the music volume attempting in vein to drown out the booing.
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Posted 22 October 2013 - 10:11 AM

Not unless you're my brother. He's a diehard but doesn't like going to games if he doesn't have enough money for beer. Even when the ticket is free. Alcoholics are alcoholics.

 

Indeed.  My gf works as an addictions counselor in a hospital and she sees it all from crackheads, cokeheads, alcoholics, sexaholics, meth addicts, etc...  These people cannot even bother with going anyplace unless alcohol is nearby and will describe themselves as being in physical pain if they cannot get a drink within a certain period of time.

 

Addictions are killer.


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Posted 22 October 2013 - 10:13 AM

Not unless you're my brother. He's a diehard but doesn't like going to games if he doesn't have enough money for beer. Even when the ticket is free. Alcoholics are alcoholics.

 

Ooof, that's not good.


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Posted 22 October 2013 - 10:24 AM

Indeed.  My gf works as an addictions counselor in a hospital and she sees it all from crackheads, cokeheads, alcoholics, sexaholics, meth addicts, etc...  These people cannot even bother with going anyplace unless alcohol is nearby and will describe themselves as being in physical pain if they cannot get a drink within a certain period of time.

 

Addictions are killer.

 

I guess I have some issues then.  I feel like parties suck when it is my turn to be a DD. 

 

As far as not having beer at an arena, my solution would be to pregame it in the parking lot.


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Posted 22 October 2013 - 11:32 AM

I guess I have some issues then.  I feel like parties suck when it is my turn to be a DD. 

 

As far as not having beer at an arena, my solution would be to pregame it in the parking lot.

 

Or you could just not drink alcohol at all.  I have done it many times and doesn't lessen the enjoyment of the game.


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Posted 22 October 2013 - 11:36 AM

I guess I have some issues then. I feel like parties suck when it is my turn to be a DD.

As far as not having beer at an arena, my solution would be to pregame it in the parking lot.


Ive been the dd plenty of times and still have the same amount of fun at parties.

Edited by bobilly45, 22 October 2013 - 11:38 AM.

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 11:39 AM

Is this really accurate? I mean it started as a grass-roots thing when it was the supporters but to me the Diablos is something else that is propped up and supported by the team now.

Plus calling that section that is a slap in the face of others who are "super fanatics" but just do not wish to stand the entire game or associate with a lot of that crowd, which is geared mostly towards people who in the college age bracket physically, but also who are older but mentally still in college.


If the Devils told them they can still chant but they have to now pay full price for the tickets, they would run for the hills.


I do fully agree the Devils took the section and changed it into something that it shouldn't be. They missed their mark by not listening to me on how to properly expand the section. I wanted them to keep a few rows for partial plans and individual game tickets so there would be new faces in the section and this would have helped it grow.

Oh well.
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Posted 22 October 2013 - 11:41 AM

Or you could just not drink alcohol at all.  I have done it many times and doesn't lessen the enjoyment of the game.

 

Your enjoyment of the game.  Not everyone enjoys the same things the same way you do.


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Posted 22 October 2013 - 12:05 PM

Your enjoyment of the game.  Not everyone enjoys the same things the same way you do.

 

This exactly. I don't drink at games, I don't participate in the 'you suck' or 'swallow' chants, but far be it from me to tell other people what they can or can't do.


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Posted 22 October 2013 - 12:28 PM

Your enjoyment of the game. Not everyone enjoys the same things the same way you do.

I think you missed the point. The person I was responding to said he can't enjoy it if he is the DD.

One of the hallmarks of alcoholism is when you can't enjoy social events unless alcohol is involved.

Edited by DevsMan84, 22 October 2013 - 12:29 PM.

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#1212 Vic Rattlehead18

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 01:39 PM

I think you missed the point. The person I was responding to said he can't enjoy it if he is the DD.

One of the hallmarks of alcoholism is when you can't enjoy social events unless alcohol is involved.

I can't enjoy a social event if dragonball z references aren't involved....oh no ! :( i'm a dragonballoholic! (totally kidding of course...kinda not really.)


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Posted 22 October 2013 - 01:41 PM

Your enjoyment of the game.  Not everyone enjoys the same things the same way you do.

 

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 03:18 PM

Actually just sent off a thought out and polite, but strongly worded email to their "Game Experience" group today. Just stating my feelings on the song matter, why it seems they chose to deviate from RnR2 and the tone that public letter to the fans set. Sounds like I got a response in the form of a call back on voicemail but I'm not really interested in discussing it with them. I said my peace and that's that. I know any argument I give them is just going to be beating a horse with them when they've already made up their mind to start this "crackdown" on language used in the stands and I won't get anywhere with them. Maybe when they start implementing whatever they have planned and it pisses off enough people they'll realize they should just back off and stop trying to tell everyone what to say or do. I'm fine with change as long as it's for the right reasons, but it seems the reasons the management is choosing are a little absurd. They care more about the uptight parents' and their kids hearing an occasional bit of adult language than the vast majority of fans who just like to let loose and have a good time. I have never been advocating the guy who every other word out of his mouth is a swear, or someone being obnoxious for the sake of being obnoxious to other fans, but there's nothing wrong with joining a silly chant more than half the arena is joining in, or when an idiot Ranger or Flyer fan gets escorted out for trying to start a fight joining in the "a$$hole" jeer, or whatever. As long as it doesn't get out of hand and doesn't lead to violence or just doing something solely to get a rise out of someone else, there's no need for crackdowns and strict enforcement of conduct rules and all that. Even the whistle tune is fine. If you don't like it, don't participate, nobody's asking you to and no one is going to think less of you if you choose not to. Going around calling it "classless" and "degrading to the fanbase" and "embarrasing" just annoys people the same way those who do this kind of thing annoy you. it goes both ways

 

This exactly. I don't drink at games, I don't participate in the 'you suck' or 'swallow' chants, but far be it from me to tell other people what they can or can't do.

see this way of thinking I can understand and respect...


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Posted 22 October 2013 - 03:19 PM

I can't enjoy a social event if dragonball z references aren't involved....oh no ! :( i'm a dragonballoholic! (totally kidding of course...kinda not really.)



That being said, parties are the worst things on the planet. I don't think there's anything less interesting than making small talk while playing beer pong. No I do not care how many games you won last party you were at. I also don't care about the stupid TV shows you watch on network TV either or how your co-worker is annoying. People are insufferable when they're drunk, for the most part.

 

Indeed.  My gf works as an addictions counselor in a hospital and she sees it all from crackheads, cokeheads, alcoholics, sexaholics, meth addicts, etc...  These people cannot even bother with going anyplace unless alcohol is nearby and will describe themselves as being in physical pain if they cannot get a drink within a certain period of time.

 

Addictions are killer.

When you're dependent on a drug, it's not going to be much fun to be somewhere that requires you to not use that drug.

But addicts are not completely illogical people. I read about a study where they gave crack or meth addicts the option of drugs or cash and when the drugs weren't up to par, they would trade the high for cash. Point is, addicts are not insane, they're just struggling. I don't think you were trying to dump on addicts or anything, but the way you worded your statement seemed to insinuate that they are without care for anything but their drug of choice and I just want to say that isn't the case.


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Posted 22 October 2013 - 03:52 PM



That being said, parties are the worst things on the planet. I don't think there's anything less interesting than making small talk while playing beer pong. No I do not care how many games you won last party you were at. I also don't care about the stupid TV shows you watch on network TV either or how your co-worker is annoying. People are insufferable when they're drunk, for the most part.

 

When you're dependent on a drug, it's not going to be much fun to be somewhere that requires you to not use that drug.

But addicts are not completely illogical people. I read about a study where they gave crack or meth addicts the option of drugs or cash and when the drugs weren't up to par, they would trade the high for cash. Point is, addicts are not insane, they're just struggling. I don't think you were trying to dump on addicts or anything, but the way you worded your statement seemed to insinuate that they are without care for anything but their drug of choice and I just want to say that isn't the case.

 

Oh they are indeed struggling but a lot of their decisions can be and usually are heavily influenced by their drug(s) of choice.  The study you read about makes sense but the key is that they would only trade the high if the drugs were not up to par.  I would like to see a study where they follow up on how they would use the cash then.  Would they use it to find a better high?  Or would they use it towards rent, food, etc.?

 

Also a lot of addicts seem to have mental issues as well.  Not all addicts have mental issues but there seems to be a large portion who does and that is an area that psychologists are just really still scratching the surface on.  Like I said previously, my gf specializes in addictions but really focuses on dual diagnoses where a person would come in with a drug habit, but would also have mental or psychological issues.  The old school of thought would have the person with dual diagnosis as either an addict or mental patient, but now are just realizing that a lot of them have both and are only now coming up with special treatment plans for people with these conditions.

 

I know this went way off topic but I do find it interesting:)


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Posted 22 October 2013 - 04:55 PM

Oh they are indeed struggling but a lot of their decisions can be and usually are heavily influenced by their drug(s) of choice.  The study you read about makes sense but the key is that they would only trade the high if the drugs were not up to par.  I would like to see a study where they follow up on how they would use the cash then.  Would they use it to find a better high?  Or would they use it towards rent, food, etc.?

 

Also a lot of addicts seem to have mental issues as well.  Not all addicts have mental issues but there seems to be a large portion who does and that is an area that psychologists are just really still scratching the surface on.  Like I said previously, my gf specializes in addictions but really focuses on dual diagnoses where a person would come in with a drug habit, but would also have mental or psychological issues.  The old school of thought would have the person with dual diagnosis as either an addict or mental patient, but now are just realizing that a lot of them have both and are only now coming up with special treatment plans for people with these conditions.

 

I know this went way off topic but I do find it interesting:)

It's very likely that a drug addict will have 1 or more mental illnesses. I don't think I've ever met an addict that didn't clearly have a mental illness or didn't reveal some horrific trauma that occurred during their life.

In the study they gave not only cash instead, but also merchandise vouchers(I imagine gift cards) in lieu of cash as well. Not that an addict couldn't sell the gift cards, but they'd not get a good deal on it.

This is def off topic, but this is a silly thread, so whatever.

It's hard to really put my finger on exactly what's wrong with drug treatments today, but I'm not a big fan of the way most drug treatment is done. It seems to me that this is an area that could use A LOT more study. Would probably help if it was easier to get the OK to use illegal drugs in studies so there was more data to work with.

To me, the 12 step program that is the basis for how many places treat addicts(thankfully I think this isn't as much the case as it used to be) is the worst bunch of self defeating garbage I have ever heard. It pains me to know that most addicts are subjected to a 12 step program where they will be told it is not them who can overcome their addiction, but rather faith in God and blah blah blah. I hate that crap. No, it's no one but you dealing with it. No one's gonna help, it's gonna suck, but when you come out the other side, you will be better for it and it will be your accomplishment alone. Ever been to an AA or NA meeting? Half of it is reminiscing about drug use, the other half is free coffee. Obviously I'm generalizing and I'm sure some people have been helped, but ugh, I hate 12 step programs.

Between 12 step programs and places that are rigid about pissing dirty a couple times, it's like the professionals are just lost when it comes to what an addict needs. I think the best programs are the ones that learn towards a harm reduction style. I believe a part of every program should be how to use drugs safely, i.e. using bleach to sterilize a needle. Teaching someone how to sterilize a needle at the cost of a few cents, is invaluable in the diseases that could be prevented. Of course it works better when you have access to clean needles, something that is getting easier in this state, but still too hard as you need an RX. When you're dealing with addicts who are likely to also be dealing with mental illness, you can't be completely rigid like that. You have to let that person do what they're gonna do and if you can't stop them, at least help them be safer and then they can know that there's places that will help them if they need it(I say this because many addicts in treatment are not there voluntarily, so there's always people who are gonna be there and not really want anything to do with getting clean). Not saying we should teach people how to party hard, but simple things like about how heating heroin will just dissolve more contaminants rather then more opiate or how to use micron filters, the dangerous side effects of drugs and how to counter act them(i.e. staying hydrated when using stimulants). Just some basic "Drug Safety" if you will. It would be nice if we saw some states give the ok for needle exchanges to give out Narcan so someone could have it on hand in case someone ODs in their presence, but at least now they can't arrest you anymore in NJ when you call the cops to save a life.

Anyways, to sum it all up. I think focusing on the overall picture of the addicts mental well being is probably for the best. I just wish there was more support for these things as I believe drug addicts are some of the most marginalized and oppressed people in this country, if not the entire world, with the way they are arrested for possession and charge with felonies. It's sickening to see lives irrevocable damaged being charged with something that shouldn't be a crime in the first place, since that usually requires directly causing damage to society, which the sale and purchase of drugs doesn't do in and of itself.

Sorry for the rant, I've made it a personal mission of mine to talk about harm reduction whenever I can since it's not really a topic that gets any media coverage, especially with everyone on board for the half assed, not really gonna fix anything(aside from being able to get an RX for it) drug legalization plan of focusing on Marijuana only. I don't discriminate, a drug is a drug is a drug is a drug and if one is ok to use, then why is another not? I don't buy the whole it turns people into criminals thing....arrest them when they commit crimes then, just like we do with alcohol. And if it's danger that's the issue, alcohol kills more people than all illicit drugs combined, not counting vehicular accidents either, so it's a bs argument.


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Posted 22 October 2013 - 05:03 PM

So are we comparing those who can't live without RnR2 as addicts?  :wink2:

 

 

Sorry, just some levity after this :hijack:


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Posted 22 October 2013 - 11:34 PM

Well, I found at least one person who definitely WAS rooting for Ted Knight in Caddyshack


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Posted 22 October 2013 - 11:40 PM

Apparently the Diablos section's going to be monitored and threatened with explusion if any one of them partake in the 'you suck' or other 'vulgar' chants.  Insane...they're starting a war on the fans they can't win, when they don't exactly have a waiting list of other fans dying to buy season tickets.

 

Why would you want to be marked as a scalper by getting season tickets anyway?    Alot of this situation is out of their control, but man is it going to be an epic failure when it comes to STH for next season.   I'd say people would revolt, but in all likelyhood they won't give a sh!t and just not show up.   Especially the Diablos, they're getting those tickets for virtually free.


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