Jump to content

Photo

Stepan Offer Sheet?


  • Please log in to reply
33 replies to this topic

#1 Daniel

Daniel

    Hall of Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,012 posts

Posted 24 September 2013 - 03:24 PM

Obviously the Devils can't make one, but can any armchair capologists explain how the Rangers could match a $5 million AAV offer sheet while being cap compliant? Capgeek lists Rags with $2.1 million in cap space. Not meant as another Rangers suck, or I think we can get Griffey and Bonds without giving up too much type thread. Just seems like someone would swoop in and take advantage while the cap is this low. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
  • 0
Posted Image
I collect spores, molds and fungus.
Hello fellow American. This you should vote me. I leave power. Good. Thank you, thank you. If you vote me, I'm hot. What? Taxes, they'll be lower... son. The Democratic vote is the right thing to do Philadelphia, so do.
How do you spot risk? How do you avoid risk? And what makes it so risky?

#2 GoArmySports

GoArmySports

    Assistant Coach

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,161 posts

Posted 24 September 2013 - 03:33 PM

I think if a team offered $5 million per and the Rags did not match they would get like 4 first round picks.
  • 0

#3 NJDevs4978

NJDevs4978

    A Legend

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 23,900 posts

Posted 24 September 2013 - 03:34 PM

CapGeek also has them with 14 forwards and 8 defense so that isn't completely accurate.  They shed one of their $1 million forwards and Aaron Johnson and they're up to almost $4 million.  They could start with Hagelin or Callahan on IR if they really had to since both are gonna miss at least the first few games.


  • 0
"The Devils have high standards, that's the difference. We have a standard to live up to every year, and a couple of teams in our area don't have the standards we do." - Pat Burns

The New Jersey Devils win Stanley Cups everywhere:
-NHL record for most road wins in the playoffs - 10-1 in '95 and 10-2 in '00
-NHL record for most home wins in the playoffs - 12-1 in '03

#4 Daniel

Daniel

    Hall of Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,012 posts

Posted 24 September 2013 - 03:37 PM

I think if a team offered $5 million per and the Rags did not match they would get like 4 first round picks.

I think it's only a first, second and third, not sure in what years.The four first rounders is when AAV is over or around $8 million.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

CapGeek also has them with 14 forwards and 8 defense so that isn't completely accurate. They shed one of their $1 million forwards and Aaron Johnson and they're up to almost $4 million. They could start with Hagelin or Callahan on IR if they really had to since both are gonna miss at least the first few games.

Yeah, but both of those guys are eventually coming back. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
  • 0
Posted Image
I collect spores, molds and fungus.
Hello fellow American. This you should vote me. I leave power. Good. Thank you, thank you. If you vote me, I'm hot. What? Taxes, they'll be lower... son. The Democratic vote is the right thing to do Philadelphia, so do.
How do you spot risk? How do you avoid risk? And what makes it so risky?

#5 hystyk28

hystyk28

    All-Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,122 posts

Posted 24 September 2013 - 03:38 PM

After Sathers comments, I wouldn't be surprised to see an offer sheet from a team. Too bad Lou doesn't believe in them. As far as room Lou is one creative SOB. Stepan would be a nice replacement for a Parise type player. The Rangers may be fortunate that everyone is jammed up with cap this year.
  • 0

#6 Daniel

Daniel

    Hall of Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,012 posts

Posted 24 September 2013 - 03:39 PM

After Sathers comments, I wouldn't be surprised to see an offer sheet from a team. Too bad Lou doesn't believe in them. As far as room Lou is one creative SOB. Stepan would be a nice replacement for a Parise type player. The Rangers may be fortunate that everyone is jammed up with cap this year.


The Devils cannot make an offer sheet because they don't have a first round pick to make good on the compensation.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
  • 0
Posted Image
I collect spores, molds and fungus.
Hello fellow American. This you should vote me. I leave power. Good. Thank you, thank you. If you vote me, I'm hot. What? Taxes, they'll be lower... son. The Democratic vote is the right thing to do Philadelphia, so do.
How do you spot risk? How do you avoid risk? And what makes it so risky?

#7 SterioDesign

SterioDesign

    Hall of Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 7,421 posts

Posted 24 September 2013 - 04:00 PM

I think if a team offered $5 million per and the Rags did not match they would get like 4 first round picks.

 

no, for about 5m i think and im pretty sure they'd only get a first and a third. It has to be like 8m+ salary per year to have 4 first

 

which i could see teams gambling for... a first and a 3rd for a 25-30 team and getting Stepan is a pretty good deal


Edited by SterioDesign, 24 September 2013 - 04:00 PM.

  • 0

www.SterioDesign.com

 


#8 Devil Dan 56

Devil Dan 56

    Hall of Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 7,099 posts

Posted 24 September 2013 - 04:03 PM

I think the Rangers will match any offer he gets and banish some money to the minors


  • 0
Official NJDevs.com Keeper of Gory Corey Schwab, Mike Peluso, Troy Crowder, Jeff Frazee, and Rich Shulmistra.
"The Devils are that zombie that takes an ax to the skull, a bullet to the temple and is set on fire … and yet keeps lumbering along to the annoyance of all the other zombies." - Puck Daddy

#9 Triumph

Triumph

    A Legend

  • Mod
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 28,079 posts

Posted 24 September 2013 - 04:05 PM

It'd force the Rangers to deal Brian Boyle and to move some money around, but I don't think teams want to get into an offer sheet war with the Rangers.


  • 0

http://drivingplay.blogspot.com - The blog with three first lines
 


#10 MadDog2020

MadDog2020

    A Legend

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 16,054 posts

Posted 24 September 2013 - 04:16 PM

The subtle Seinfeld reference was great.
  • 0
iq0p.pngUploaded with ImageShack.com

#11 hystyk28

hystyk28

    All-Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,122 posts

Posted 24 September 2013 - 04:17 PM

The Devils cannot make an offer sheet because they don't have a first round pick to make good on the compensation. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

 

I guess you overlooked the creative part by Lou.  It's all moot since Lou doesn't believe in operating that way despite all the logistics involved to ever consider it.  Also, starting an offer sheet war is not one to get involved in with the Rangers.


  • 0

#12 Daniel

Daniel

    Hall of Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,012 posts

Posted 24 September 2013 - 04:30 PM

It'd force the Rangers to deal Brian Boyle and to move some money around, but I don't think teams want to get into an offer sheet war with the Rangers.

Most if not all of the teams that have the cap space to make a big offer sheet don't have much to worry about in the way of offer sheet retaliation. I suppose they could squeeze in by trading Boyle, but that gets difficult especially if the offer sheet comes when Callahan and Hagelin are back, which would be about a month into the season based on the reports I've seen. So an offer sheet is signed, and the Rags have a few days to trade Boyle. Other teams have their own cap issues to worry about, and there are a lot of teams that will not want to do Sather any favors. If Ryan O'Reilly got a $5 million AAV offer sheet, I don't see why someone won't try that much with Stepan, especially if the Rangers are in a precarious cap situation. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

I guess you overlooked the creative part by Lou. It's all moot since Lou doesn't believe in operating that way despite all the logistics involved to ever consider it. Also, starting an offer sheet war is not one to get involved in with the Rangers.

There is no loophole, even if the Devils traded for a first rounder. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
  • 0
Posted Image
I collect spores, molds and fungus.
Hello fellow American. This you should vote me. I leave power. Good. Thank you, thank you. If you vote me, I'm hot. What? Taxes, they'll be lower... son. The Democratic vote is the right thing to do Philadelphia, so do.
How do you spot risk? How do you avoid risk? And what makes it so risky?

#13 maxpower

maxpower

    Hall of Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,430 posts

Posted 24 September 2013 - 04:40 PM

There's not many teams that can put out a poison pill sheet.   They're either up against the cap, don't have a first round pick, or are budget teams that wouldn't be desirable in the first place.    I think Buffalo is about the only team that realistically sheet him.


  • 0

#14 Daniel

Daniel

    Hall of Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,012 posts

Posted 24 September 2013 - 04:44 PM

There's not many teams that can put out a poison pill sheet. They're either up against the cap, don't have a first round pick, or are budget teams that wouldn't be desirable in the first place. I think Buffalo is about the only team that realistically sheet him.


Isles could easily do it. Then they can throw big money at Lunqvist to really stick it to the Rags.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
  • 0
Posted Image
I collect spores, molds and fungus.
Hello fellow American. This you should vote me. I leave power. Good. Thank you, thank you. If you vote me, I'm hot. What? Taxes, they'll be lower... son. The Democratic vote is the right thing to do Philadelphia, so do.
How do you spot risk? How do you avoid risk? And what makes it so risky?

#15 Devil Dan 56

Devil Dan 56

    Hall of Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 7,099 posts

Posted 24 September 2013 - 05:00 PM

I guess you overlooked the creative part by Lou. It's all moot since Lou doesn't believe in operating that way despite all the logistics involved to ever consider it. Also, starting an offer sheet war is not one to get involved in with the Rangers.


It has to be the teams' own pick. The Devils don't have a first rounder in 2014
  • 0
Official NJDevs.com Keeper of Gory Corey Schwab, Mike Peluso, Troy Crowder, Jeff Frazee, and Rich Shulmistra.
"The Devils are that zombie that takes an ax to the skull, a bullet to the temple and is set on fire … and yet keeps lumbering along to the annoyance of all the other zombies." - Puck Daddy

#16 The 29th Pick

The 29th Pick

    All-Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,904 posts

Posted 24 September 2013 - 05:08 PM

Isles could easily do it. Then they can throw big money at Lunqvist to really stick it to the Rags. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

that would be awesome...I would actually root for the Isle's if they did that


  • 0

#17 Devilsfan118

Devilsfan118

    Hall of Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 7,276 posts

Posted 24 September 2013 - 05:21 PM

Yeah, the Rangers are not a team I'd want to get into a pissing contest with. What'd the Flyers do with the Weber offer sheet? Offer a 15m signing bonus for each of the first few years of the contract? Perhaps not that extreme, but you get my point. The big market teams can easily cause hell for a smaller market team / less wealthy owner. fvcking despise the Rangers, but you have to at least appreciate the bottomless pockets of Dolan.

Edited by Devilsfan118, 24 September 2013 - 05:22 PM.

  • 0

rsz_2ru-uc9709.jpg

Rutgers:  The Birthplace of College Football

First B1G Season: 7-5


#18 Daniel

Daniel

    Hall of Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,012 posts

Posted 24 September 2013 - 05:28 PM

Yeah, the Rangers are not a team I'd want to get into a pissing contest with.

What'd the Flyers do with the Weber offer sheet? Offer a 15m signing bonus for each of the first few years of the contract? Perhaps not that extreme, but you get my point. The big market teams can easily cause hell for a smaller market team / less wealthy owner.

fvcking despise the Rangers, but you have to at least appreciate the bottomless pockets of Dolan.


Again, if you look at the teams that could do it, they don't have to worry about offer sheet retaliation anytime soon.

Plus, a Weber like deal is a thing of the past. Ultimately the ability to match an offer sheet will come down to how good you think a player is and the cap hit.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
  • 0
Posted Image
I collect spores, molds and fungus.
Hello fellow American. This you should vote me. I leave power. Good. Thank you, thank you. If you vote me, I'm hot. What? Taxes, they'll be lower... son. The Democratic vote is the right thing to do Philadelphia, so do.
How do you spot risk? How do you avoid risk? And what makes it so risky?

#19 NJDevs4978

NJDevs4978

    A Legend

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 23,900 posts

Posted 24 September 2013 - 05:29 PM

Although we often comment/speculate about how 90% of teams have an under the table agreement not to throw out offer sheets, I think it's doubly true this year, with the reduced cap/revenue.


  • 0
"The Devils have high standards, that's the difference. We have a standard to live up to every year, and a couple of teams in our area don't have the standards we do." - Pat Burns

The New Jersey Devils win Stanley Cups everywhere:
-NHL record for most road wins in the playoffs - 10-1 in '95 and 10-2 in '00
-NHL record for most home wins in the playoffs - 12-1 in '03

#20 Derek21

Derek21

    A Legend

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 17,874 posts

Posted 24 September 2013 - 06:05 PM

Offer sheets in general are frowned upon. There's like a code. The Flyers (Weber), Blues (Kesler) and Canucks (Backes) are all examples along with the Oilers (Vanek). Edmonton offer sheeted Penner after the Ducks' Cup year and Anaheim didn't match. It didn't exactly pan out for the Oilers.

 

Hasan is correct. The Rangers can clear enough room to fit Stepan in. Callahan is said to be closer than Hagelin. Personally, I'd like to see Slats dump Asham. Pyatt might also be a candidate. But he has history with Vigneault and has looked decent. Boyle is too valuable to move. Still a top face off and penalty kill guy. Moore's addition gives them more flexibility. As far as Sather's comments, what would you expect? D-Step has no arbitration rights and he's doing what he always does with restricted. Once the dust settles, I expect the two sides to agree on a bridge deal around $3 million.


  • 0

"The greatest trick Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist."

 

Hasan, Brian and I blog at New York Puck. Devils, Islanders, Rangers and Sabres.





0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users