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#1301 Mike Brown

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Posted 12 March 2014 - 09:56 PM

Carol Niedermayer, Carlos Gomez, and JP Parise.  What do they all have in common?


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Posted 12 March 2014 - 10:16 PM

the thing with advanced stats and toronto compared to us is that, leave 10 good scoring chances to Van riemsdyk or Kessel and they'll put 6-7 in... then put the same chances for NJ and they'll net 2-3 lol

 

again shot quality and skills/precision from the shooter is not taken in considerations with stats and it makes a huge difference, i mean a tap in goal with both feet in the crease is a shot so is a wrister from the red line. Yet on paper its the same damn thing

 

Still going on with this. Phil Kessel is 2nd in the NHL in shots. You get shots on net and good things happen. Kessel is a great scorer, but he gets himself a lot of chances. JVR is the same and is 10th in shots on goal.

 

There isn't such thing as great players that score a ton but don't get many chances. You know who has a better shooting percentage than Phil Kessel? Patrik Elias at 15.4%. Who else? Adam Henrique at 19.2 percent. They have 91 and 120 shots respectively. Phil Kessel has 253 shots. Do you think either is a better shooter or scorer than Kessel?

 

Jaromir Jagr leads the Devils in shots and for most of the season has been the leading goal scorer. Last night he through a puck on net and went in. Not a great goal, but it was a shot.

 

Zach Parise was never a great goal scorer, but he thought a good game for him was to get 6-7 shots on net. He understand that more shots you got...the better chance you'd have to score a goal. Look at his shooting percentage per season. It doesn't fluctuate too much, but the season he scored 45 goals....he had the 3rd most shots in the NHL.

 

If you see an individual in the top 2 or 3 of NHL scoring who isn't in the top 10 in shots, you are most likely seeing a fluke goal-scoring season. Think Corry Perry in 2010-2011 with 50 goals. Never scored more than 37 in any other season.

 

Also, the guys you think are top shooters, for the most part are not all that much better than the average NHL player. So shot shot quality is very important.


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Posted 12 March 2014 - 10:24 PM

Still going on with this. Phil Kessel is 2nd in the NHL in shots. You get shots on net and good things happen. Kessel is a great scorer, but he gets himself a lot of chances. JVR is the same and is 10th in shots on goal.
 
There isn't such thing as great players that score a ton but don't get many chances. You know who has a better shooting percentage than Phil Kessel? Patrik Elias at 15.4%. Who else? Adam Henrique at 19.2 percent. They have 91 and 120 shots respectively. Phil Kessel has 253 shots. Do you think either is a better shooter or scorer than Kessel?
 
Jaromir Jagr leads the Devils in shots and for most of the season has been the leading goal scorer. Last night he through a puck on net and went in. Not a great goal, but it was a shot.
 
Zach Parise was never a great goal scorer, but he thought a good game for him was to get 6-7 shots on net. He understand that more shots you got...the better chance you'd have to score a goal. Look at his shooting percentage per season. It doesn't fluctuate too much, but the season he scored 45 goals....he had the 3rd most shots in the NHL.
 
If you see an individual in the top 2 or 3 of NHL scoring who isn't in the top 10 in shots, you are most likely seeing a fluke goal-scoring season. Think Corry Perry in 2010-2011 with 50 goals. Never scored more than 37 in any other season.
 
Also, the guys you think are top shooters, for the most part are not all that much better than the average NHL player. So shot shot quality is very important.


Good scorers also knows how to position themselves and select their shots. Lets just take that whole text and resume it with.... Look at the shootouts... Every single guys has the same chance all alone with the puck, yet our guys simply cant put it in. Those are equal chances and theres a big difference in results right.
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Posted 12 March 2014 - 10:33 PM

Good scorers also knows how to position themselves and select their shots. Lets just take that whole text and resume it with.... Look at the shootouts... Every single guys has the same chance all alone with the puck, yet our guys simply cant put it in. Those are equal chances and theres a big difference in results right.

 

Your 1st point and 2nd point have nothing to do with each other. I'll also disagree with them. The shootout has no connection with how good of a scorer you are. How many breakaways are there in a season for it to matter, and a breakaway in a game is totally different than a shootout attempt. These skills are practically non-transferable.

 

Look at the best shootout players this year. TJ Oshie. He's never scored 20 goals in a season. Phil Kessel, the player you brought up originally, has 0. Adam Henrique has one of the best shooting percentages in the NHL...has 0. He possibly could go 6-9 next year. For the most part it is random and irrelevant.


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Posted 12 March 2014 - 10:49 PM

Everyone thought Colorado would slow down..nope they just get even better.
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Posted 13 March 2014 - 10:35 AM

Pev is out all season now.

 

Not trying to be insensitive but 25 years ago they would have left him lying on the bench and then as soon has he came to, he'd be back on the ice for his next shift.


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 10:52 AM

Good scorers also knows how to position themselves and select their shots. Lets just take that whole text and resume it with.... Look at the shootouts... Every single guys has the same chance all alone with the puck, yet our guys simply cant put it in. Those are equal chances and theres a big difference in results right.

 

Read this: http://www.sbnation....l-shootout-luck


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 10:58 AM

Not trying to be insensitive but 25 years ago they would have left him lying on the bench and then as soon has he came to, he'd be back on the ice for his next shift.

 

25 years ago there's a high possibility he would have died right there because no one would know what the hell was going on, what was wrong with him until they got him to the hospital where it may have already been to late to prevent death or permanent brain damage.


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 11:13 AM

25 years ago there's a high possibility he would have died right there because no one would know what the hell was going on, what was wrong with him until they got him to the hospital where it may have already been to late to prevent death or permanent brain damage.

 

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 02:45 PM

3/13 -

 

Sharks over Blue Jackets

Panthers over Lightning

Wild over Rangers

Kings over Leafs

 

Gotta get lucky to get all 4.


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 08:28 PM

Checking in:

 

C'mon Zach Parise....wait...what did I just say??  :o


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 08:28 PM

fvck. CBJ ties it up with 5 minutes left.

 

4-2 Lightning over panthers in the 3rd

NYR and Minny tied at 1


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 08:29 PM

Pavelski will put them back ahead damn it.


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 08:30 PM

fvcking Blue Jackets. Bunch of parasites that won't die

 

Tampa over Florida, but that's to be expected


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 08:31 PM

fvcking Blue Jackets. Bunch of parasites that won't die

 

Tampa over Florida, but that's to be expected

 

I see what you did there.

 

Also, Columbus has a great crowd, no wonder they have such a strong home ice advantage.


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 08:35 PM

Damn San Jose...at least keep 'em at 1 point, Sharks.


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 08:36 PM

Great save by SJ goalie Stalock with 2 seconds remaining, otherwise this was game over. CBJ/SJS going to overtime.


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 08:40 PM

Geez the Jackets have turned it on.

 

They are usually okay but they just have another gear.


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 08:43 PM

Shootout for the Sharks and Jackets.  Good thing too, didn't seem like SJ was interested AT ALL in going on offense in that OT period.


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 08:43 PM

Gonna be weird rooting for a team in the shootout who doesn't suck balls in shootouts


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