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#61 ATLL765

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Posted 04 October 2013 - 02:56 PM

Me three. I've been very frustrated with Travis Zajac. Henrique gets a little more of a pass because he's still in those growing pains years. Zajac should be at his prime though.

He killed me last year. I really thought he'd have another good year after he had that real good year in 09-10, but we've not seen the same from him since. That being said, the next year everyone looked terrible and then Zajac was hurt for most of last year. He needs a good year, otherwise that contract is going to look REALLY bad.


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Posted 04 October 2013 - 02:57 PM

Me three. I've been very frustrated with Travis Zajac. Henrique gets a little more of a pass because he's still in those growing pains years. Zajac should be at his prime though.

 

I'm confident Zajac can bounce back this year.


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Posted 04 October 2013 - 05:12 PM

I don't get the Fayne aspect either. He's definitely a solid 4-5. Even if they have soured on him, by not playing him they reduce his value. Clowe looked pretty good last night. He'll battle. It's just whether his style is conducive.


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Posted 05 October 2013 - 10:03 AM

And Clarkson always had taken shots from wherever, that's part of his game, lots of shots. Not tons of quality, but lots of shots. So I'm not sure why you're blaming him for doing his job.

Except Clarkson was one of the few guys on that team who could crash the net and get rebounds, and instead he slung a bunch of bad shots with no one there to get the rebound. Those shots are only valuable if someone's there to pressure the goalie during and after. Without Parise, Clarkson really needed to step up there.

 

That team's biggest problem was an inability to create quality shots, compounded by their inability to make crappy shots dangerous. You can't fix the quality shots issue without quality players, but you can fix the system to create more chances on bad shots. IMO that's the major reason they were so bad last year, not luck.


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Posted 05 October 2013 - 11:48 AM

Except Clarkson was one of the few guys on that team who could crash the net and get rebounds, and instead he slung a bunch of bad shots with no one there to get the rebound. Those shots are only valuable if someone's there to pressure the goalie during and after. Without Parise, Clarkson really needed to step up there.

 

That team's biggest problem was an inability to create quality shots, compounded by their inability to make crappy shots dangerous. You can't fix the quality shots issue without quality players, but you can fix the system to create more chances on bad shots. IMO that's the major reason they were so bad last year, not luck.

Yeah, he should have stepped up and scored at a 40 goal pace. Oh please. He scored at the same rate he did the year before and that's more than anyone thought he'd do.


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Posted 05 October 2013 - 12:28 PM

DeBoer is really pissing me off.
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Posted 05 October 2013 - 12:48 PM

DeBoer is really pissing me off.

If Fayne isn't traded or playing by game 5, I'm gonna start going nuts. Lil Gio is just not as good as JJ either and it's a shame to see JJ sit over him.


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Posted 05 October 2013 - 01:24 PM

Yeah, he should have stepped up and scored at a 40 goal pace. Oh please. He scored at the same rate he did the year before and that's more than anyone thought he'd do.

But he put in a ton of goals at the beginning of the season, then trailed off badly, which affected his numbers. Also, I'm not just blaming Clarkson (though it came off that way). I'm blaming the approach. They didn't have a good enough group of snipers to expect their shots to just beat the goalie, especially when Kovalchuk got hurt. Therefore, they needed to play to their strengths, and go for a ton of ugly goals. Considering how well they controlled possession, they should have been able to establish a better cycle, and even if they couldn't, they needed to plant somebody near the net whenever they had possession. Instead, they tended to settle for shots around the circles. Since their shooters left something to be desired, those shots were rarely going in. Just look at how many shots hit the goalie in the pads. What those shots can do is create rebound opportunities, and they often did, but nobody was there to get them. Also, nobody was screening the goalie, which makes it less likely that the shots are going in. 

 

Also, Clarkson was able to take a ton of shots when Zach was there. Zach was a master of ugly goals. With him gone, somebody had to fill the void, especially the way the rest of the team was constructed. It could have been Clarkson. 

 

There were a ton more problems on that team, D'ags, Sullivan, Poni, and Kostopoulous aren't that good, and got too many minutes, but imo that team wasn't just unlucky. They were flawed. The possession numbers made them look better than they were. I agree that they won fewer games than they should have because of bad luck (every time they scored, the goalie sh@t the bed, every time they kept the other team off the board, they couldn't score, Kovalchuk got hurt at a bad time, Marty came back too fast because Moose played much worse than he has in the past), but even if they had average luck, they were first round fodder at best.


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