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#21 thecoffeecake

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Posted 28 October 2013 - 02:05 AM

I love soccer and soccer culture. I think something that makes it so great is the community aspect. Thousands of people standing and singing for the team that represents their community (often times as narrow as neighborhoods or streets) on the global stage of soccer. This is why I don't understand people who claim to be supporters of clubs in cities in Europe they've never been to, or even know the local language. When I first became drawn to soccer, probably around 2008, I fell in love with Red Bull, because I felt like they were my soccer team. I joined ESC, and went to as many games as I could. I was at the final soccer game at Giants Stadium (I think it was a win against Toronto, one of the 3 or 4 on the season, also eliminated Toronto from their first potential playoff appearance), and I was there in 2010 when they opened RBA and beat Santos. I absolutely loved the experience of the fans in the Ironbound in Newark and marching to the stadium from the bars across the river. Eventually, I accepted that the club and the culture around the club were complete shams. I always knew it; I always hated the corporate brand, always called the team "Metros", even when the RB/Metro riff turned into a general "we need to call them Red Bulls" sentiment. And the whole "New York" thing finally buried it for me. I hate New York as a city, I hate being associated with New York, I hate the culture and people of New York, I hate it all. Being a Devils fan is about being from New Jersey and being proud of it. Being a Devils fan is about embracing our culture as distinct and unique. When I meet Rangers fans from New Jersey, I lose some respect for them on a fundamental level. When we have a team that represents our collective community, you must have some serious lack of respect for that community to support the Rangers (or Islanders, but I don't really run into those folks a lot). What I loved about going to Red Bull games in Harrison was what I percieved to be an expression of our culture. This was our team. But that's just not how it is. I can't sit here and loathe everything about New York, percieve a New York team in a different sport as a bitter and hated geographic rival, and then show up to a soccer game in Harrison with "New York" embroidered on the chest of the shirt I'm wearing. I haven't been to a game in a few years, nor do I really have an interest in doing so in the forseeable future. I can't experience a Devils game and feel that same personal connection to a club that plays in essentially the same town, that markets to the city of our most hated rival. The same way I could never buy a Brooklyn Nets jersey and stomach supporting that team after how they left. The same way I'm losing my connection with the baseball team I've loved since I was a kid.

 

RIght now, I'm just kind of in a soccer limbo. I love the game, I'll watch it on occaision, I even still love MLS, but I don't have a team. We don't have a team. I wish I could be excited about Red Bull clinching the Supporters Shield today, the way I know I would've been two years ago. The way my RB contacts I still have are. I wish I could even go to Philadelphia Union games, but I just can't do that either. What my serious hope is right now, is that when this new New York team takes the field, it will financially and ideologically cripple Red Bull. Does it make sense to try to compete for New York when this New York City team that people within the boroughs have been begging for for years shows up playing in New Jersey? Especially with the Cosmos now in the NASL out on Long Island. Are you going to realistically be able to draw a significant amount of people from New York? If not, I'm not sure it's wise to continue to alienate the community you play in for better exposure for your energy drink marketing campaign. Admittedly, not everyone thinks like I do, and even the most hard core of Devils fans may not be as thoroughly offended by Red Bull as I am. But, my hope is that common sense prevails. Hopefully Red Bull sells, and someone comes in and accepts the true geographic identity of this team. Maybe they can call them New Jersey whatever, or Newark whatever, but if that day ever were to come, I'd be the first one back in line, and that team would have my lifelong dedication. Hell, maybe one day the NBA will come back our way, and the Newark Bears will be an MLB team. A man can dream.


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Posted 28 October 2013 - 03:24 AM

Great post thecoffeecake! I definitely can echo some of your sentiments and relate to what you are saying on some levels. When I was younger I used to watch the MetroStars and when I was old enough to drive (2005) I made it to a few games at Giants Stadium which was awful for soccer but I loved it.

Of course the NY/NJ part of the name had been dropped well before Red Bull took the team over, but the simple MetroStars name made it feel like it was still NJ. The Red Bull takeover and rebranding to NY really irked me and took away any connection to the club that I had felt. I understood the business reasons behind it but it still bothered me.

With that said, I was really happy for the supporters, especially the old Metro supporters who continue to support Red Bull, when they won the Supporter's Shield last night. It was great to see Mike Petke raise the shield considering what he means to the club's history. Even though I feel disconnected from the club and don't cheer for them, I don't hate them or wish them bad. They're just another MLS team to me at this point.

Over the years soccer has become my 2nd favorite sport (after hockey) to watch. I absolutely love MLS and I was thrilled to see the parity in the league this year as well as the optimism over expansion and how much the league has grown in a positive direction both on and off the field. I probably watch about 3/4 of the Red Bulls games still despite not cheering them, and I DVR or watch almost every nationally telecast MLS game. I don't have a team but I am a fan of the league and feel it's great for American soccer.

To your point about Americans supporting teams abroad, especially from places they've never been to, I can understand and respect that. I do support Manchester United despite never being there. One reason for me was the EPL is in my mind one of the greatest leagues in the world so I enjoy following it and having a cheering stake in it. Sort of how Europeans or other internationals follow the NHL/NFL/NBA/MLB and cheer for a team from a place they have no physical ties to. I can go into my reasons on why I chose MUFC if you want but I'm trying to keep this post as short as possible.

To your point about NJ residents cheering for NY teams in sports where we don't have one, I can also understand and respect that. Though I suppose I am a bit hypocritical to be honest. I don't cheer for Red Bulls because of the NY name and the way they seemed to reject everything NJ. I do cheer for the Yankees though since I was brought up watching those games since before I could remember and it's not like NJ ever had a pro MLB team. I would probably switch if NJ ever did have an MLB team. I cheer for the Giants but admittanly I'm not nearly as passionate about them as I am about the Devils or Yankees. I wasn't even a fan until college when 2 of my roommates made me into one (never had a NFL allegiance growing up). At least they have history in NY which is one reason I can live with them still being NY and not NJ. I'm a Nets fan and went back and forth on whether to support them as they ditched NJ. The deciding factor was that my family does have Brooklyn roots and I still have a decent amount of family in Brooklyn so I decided to stick with them.

I do love that the Devils really embrace the Jersey's team mentality. Besides hockey being my favorite sport, that is why I will always love the Devils.

At least when Red Bull took over the MetroStars they were only disrespecting roughly a decade of history. What Red Bull did when they took over SV Austria Salzburg (founded 1933) is downright disgraceful. SV Austria Salzburg fans that rejected Red Bull actually reformed SV Austria Salzburg and hope to make it back into the Austrian Bundesliga one day (longshot). In terms of owners, Red Bull NY has actually done a lot of good for their fans here.

It will be interesting to see what will happen if/when Red Bull does sell the NY team. Who knows when that could be, it maybe quite awhile, but with NYCFC coming to the league, and perhaps the Cosmos somehow convincing MLS that the NY area needs 3 teams (doubtful) then maybe NJ will get embraced again.


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Posted 28 October 2013 - 09:43 AM

At least when Red Bull took over the MetroStars they were only disrespecting roughly a decade of history. What Red Bull did when they took over SV Austria Salzburg (founded 1933) is downright disgraceful. SV Austria Salzburg fans that rejected Red Bull actually reformed SV Austria Salzburg and hope to make it back into the Austrian Bundesliga one day (longshot). In terms of owners, Red Bull NY has actually done a lot of good for their fans here.

 

I have nothing to complain about re: Red Bulls taking over and rebranding the Metrostars. We were the laughingstock of the league, were given nothing to cheer for, EVER. Red Bull gave us a world-class arena to play in and has done its best to build a contender every year, whether or not that's how it played out on the field.

 

Why should we support the "New York" Red Bulls? And why don't I mind that they're branded as a "New York" team? Because they, a soccer team, were able to sell out all 25,600 seats last night while the Devils couldn't sell out their home opener... So that's reason enough why branding it as a New York team was necessary.


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Posted 28 October 2013 - 09:54 AM

I have nothing to complain about re: Red Bulls taking over and rebranding the Metrostars. We were the laughingstock of the league, were given nothing to cheer for, EVER. Red Bull gave us a world-class arena to play in and has done its best to build a contender every year, whether or not that's how it played out on the field.

 

Why should we support the "New York" Red Bulls? And why don't I mind that they're branded as a "New York" team? Because they, a soccer team, were able to sell out all 25,600 seats last night while the Devils couldn't sell out their home opener... So that's reason enough why branding it as a New York team was necessary.

 

Completely agree.  The whole geographical branding of teams in this area debate is silly and everyone knows that NY carries a lot more weight and possibly sponsor and tv revenues than NJ can ever bring.  Just taking my NJ Devils fan off for a minute and seeing that NJ still has a hockey team after 30 years while Nordiques still have none after 18 years and running and Winnipeg didn't have one for about 15 years until they moved the Thrashers is nothing short of amazing.

 

Point is NY Red Bulls can have whatever name they want plastered on their shirts and logos.  They are still basically the same team I remember going to at their very first game ever in Giants Stadium with Meola in goal.


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Posted 28 October 2013 - 10:04 AM

I love soccer and soccer culture. I think something that makes it so great is the community aspect. Thousands of people standing and singing for the team that represents their community (often times as narrow as neighborhoods or streets) on the global stage of soccer. This is why I don't understand people who claim to be supporters of clubs in cities in Europe they've never been to, or even know the local language. When I first became drawn to soccer, probably around 2008, I fell in love with Red Bull, because I felt like they were my soccer team. I joined ESC, and went to as many games as I could. I was at the final soccer game at Giants Stadium (I think it was a win against Toronto, one of the 3 or 4 on the season, also eliminated Toronto from their first potential playoff appearance), and I was there in 2010 when they opened RBA and beat Santos. I absolutely loved the experience of the fans in the Ironbound in Newark and marching to the stadium from the bars across the river. Eventually, I accepted that the club and the culture around the club were complete shams. I always knew it; I always hated the corporate brand, always called the team "Metros", even when the RB/Metro riff turned into a general "we need to call them Red Bulls" sentiment. And the whole "New York" thing finally buried it for me. I hate New York as a city, I hate being associated with New York, I hate the culture and people of New York, I hate it all. Being a Devils fan is about being from New Jersey and being proud of it. Being a Devils fan is about embracing our culture as distinct and unique. When I meet Rangers fans from New Jersey, I lose some respect for them on a fundamental level. When we have a team that represents our collective community, you must have some serious lack of respect for that community to support the Rangers (or Islanders, but I don't really run into those folks a lot). What I loved about going to Red Bull games in Harrison was what I percieved to be an expression of our culture. This was our team. But that's just not how it is. I can't sit here and loathe everything about New York, percieve a New York team in a different sport as a bitter and hated geographic rival, and then show up to a soccer game in Harrison with "New York" embroidered on the chest of the shirt I'm wearing. I haven't been to a game in a few years, nor do I really have an interest in doing so in the forseeable future. I can't experience a Devils game and feel that same personal connection to a club that plays in essentially the same town, that markets to the city of our most hated rival. The same way I could never buy a Brooklyn Nets jersey and stomach supporting that team after how they left. The same way I'm losing my connection with the baseball team I've loved since I was a kid.

 

RIght now, I'm just kind of in a soccer limbo. I love the game, I'll watch it on occaision, I even still love MLS, but I don't have a team. We don't have a team. I wish I could be excited about Red Bull clinching the Supporters Shield today, the way I know I would've been two years ago. The way my RB contacts I still have are. I wish I could even go to Philadelphia Union games, but I just can't do that either. What my serious hope is right now, is that when this new New York team takes the field, it will financially and ideologically cripple Red Bull. Does it make sense to try to compete for New York when this New York City team that people within the boroughs have been begging for for years shows up playing in New Jersey? Especially with the Cosmos now in the NASL out on Long Island. Are you going to realistically be able to draw a significant amount of people from New York? If not, I'm not sure it's wise to continue to alienate the community you play in for better exposure for your energy drink marketing campaign. Admittedly, not everyone thinks like I do, and even the most hard core of Devils fans may not be as thoroughly offended by Red Bull as I am. But, my hope is that common sense prevails. Hopefully Red Bull sells, and someone comes in and accepts the true geographic identity of this team. Maybe they can call them New Jersey whatever, or Newark whatever, but if that day ever were to come, I'd be the first one back in line, and that team would have my lifelong dedication. Hell, maybe one day the NBA will come back our way, and the Newark Bears will be an MLB team. A man can dream.

 

You would seriously not follow Red Bull because they dropped NJ from their name/uniforms and changed the name to match their corporate logo and would seriously rather watch a team with this on their uniforms?

 

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Yes I know it is a bread company but I'll take Red Bull corporate logo on my chest over this.


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Posted 28 October 2013 - 01:30 PM

The fact that we have a hockey team that embraces our state, and has done so for 30 plus years, means that it can be a successful operation. Everyone debates the grey area the Philly sports market begins to crawl into the picture, but considering the total population of the counties south to Ocean, this market has some serious potential. Devils ownership has never done a serious job marketing, the Nets never did either. We realistically have a population of close to 6 million to draw from. And there are actually a lot more Devils fans in South Jersey than people think their are. Youll see a lot of cars with Phillies Eagles and Devils stickers, because just having that name means a lot to people all over the state. Ive met Devils fans from Cape May, Millville, Cherry Hill, Atlantic County, as Im sure you all have. Putting a team right in the cultural heart of North Jersey and calling it New York is beyond disrespectful to me personally. Sure, I understand the business side, but I also understand the business side of murder and sex trafficking. When NYCFC starts playing, how can they possibly justify the NY identity when theres a market of 6 million they can be marketing to and creating a unique identity.

How is the Bimbo sponsorship nearly as reprehensible as Red Bull rebranding an entire club to market a drink?
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Posted 28 October 2013 - 01:35 PM

Just saw the Tim Cahill Red Bulls commercial. "Now I play in the world's greatest city."...I never knew Harrison, New Jersey was the world's greatest city.

 

Former Jets QB and Rutgers legend Ray Lucas is from there... yea its pretty great :w00t:


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Posted 28 October 2013 - 01:38 PM

The fact that we have a hockey team that embraces our state, and has done so for 30 plus years, means that it can be a successful operation. Everyone debates the grey area the Philly sports market begins to crawl into the picture, but considering the total population of the counties south to Ocean, this market has some serious potential. Devils ownership has never done a serious job marketing, the Nets never did either. We realistically have a population of close to 6 million to draw from. And there are actually a lot more Devils fans in South Jersey than people think their are. Youll see a lot of cars with Phillies Eagles and Devils stickers, because just having that name means a lot to people all over the state. Ive met Devils fans from Cape May, Millville, Cherry Hill, Atlantic County, as Im sure you all have. Putting a team right in the cultural heart of North Jersey and calling it New York is beyond disrespectful to me personally. Sure, I understand the business side, but I also understand the business side of murder and sex trafficking. When NYCFC starts playing, how can they possibly justify the NY identity when theres a market of 6 million they can be marketing to and creating a unique identity.

How is the Bimbo sponsorship nearly as reprehensible as Red Bull rebranding an entire club to market a drink?


So what if NYCFC joins? It's not like this is the first time New York had had more than one team in the same league so it's not like it will create a huge schism or issue with fans.

The devils have also come this close to moving in 1995 and almost got taken over by the league (or at least some chatter about it) earlier this year before the new owners swooped in and saved them. Keeping the devils in New Jersey has not been easy and to keep them here now for over 30 years is pretty impressive given that there are more traditional and established markets like Quebec that still don't have a team. Turning the red bulls into a New Jersey team will also alienate New Yorkers who take the path to the stadium for every game.

Also IDK about you but when people are me in a red bulls jersey they at least recognize the logo. With bimbo unless you buy their bread or follow MLS you will get some strange looks. Trust me on that.
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Posted 28 October 2013 - 01:39 PM

naming the team NY Red Bull....OK

saying you play for the NY Red Bull...OK

saying you play in the worlds greatest city....nope


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Posted 28 October 2013 - 01:40 PM

its the same thing with the jets an giants. everytime they are featured on sunday's nbc game, they always mention new york


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Posted 28 October 2013 - 01:42 PM

naming the team NY Red Bull....OK
saying you play for the NY Red Bull...OK
saying you play in the worlds greatest city....nope


They obviously did not make that commercial for die hard MLS or red bull fans. They made it to attract the casual fans who only see their name an logo and probably think that they do indeed play in New York City. Same exact thing with jets and giants
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Posted 28 October 2013 - 02:45 PM

So what if NYCFC joins? It's not like this is the first time New York had had more than one team in the same league so it's not like it will create a huge schism or issue with fans.

The devils have also come this close to moving in 1995 and almost got taken over by the league (or at least some chatter about it) earlier this year before the new owners swooped in and saved them. Keeping the devils in New Jersey has not been easy and to keep them here now for over 30 years is pretty impressive given that there are more traditional and established markets like Quebec that still don't have a team. Turning the red bulls into a New Jersey team will also alienate New Yorkers who take the path to the stadium for every game.

Also IDK about you but when people are me in a red bulls jersey they at least recognize the logo. With bimbo unless you buy their bread or follow MLS you will get some strange looks. Trust me on that.

What are you talking about? There has been an issue with the fans on this since 1996, even before then. It makes zero sense to have a New York team in New York and a New York team in New Jersey. They play in essentially the same city the New Jersey Devils play and the New Jersey Nets played. Not the city the New York Rangers and New York Knicks play. The majority of people in NY will not keep getting on the path to RB games when NYCFC takes the field. Especially considering the marketing blitz im sure theyre going to undertake.

Keeping the Devils in Jersey was tough because the legacy of the NY/Philly dominance in the state was going to take at least a generation to overcome. Plus no one wanted to go to that cultureless pit at the Meadowlands, and like Ive said, ownership has constantly dropped the ball on marketing efforts. Things are turning around, and the potential of the NJ market can start to be realized. Am I really.arguing the merits of the New Jersey sports market with a Devils fan?

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Posted 28 October 2013 - 03:28 PM

Like I said before, I understand the business of why Red Bull went with NY. Of course it was smart and it has worked out tremendously. From a personal standpoint, I just don't feel a connection to them. The MetroStars days may have been tough but I still have some great memories. I am happy for the success RBNY is having now, their fans deserve it.

It will be interesting to see how the fans split between RBNY and NYCFC. RBNY is highly succesful and has star power right now with Henry and Cahill, though who knows what DP's they will have when NYCFC comes in. You know MLS will be pushing to make NYCFC as successful as possible and with money backed by the Yankees and more importantly Manchester City (Sheikh Mansour) they will definitely be aggressive getting designated players. I'm sure location of the stadium will be important in creating a geographic divide between the fans. They are trying to get it done in Queens though I could see them temporarily using New Yankee Stadium as a home to start.

 

Honestly, I'm thrilled to see the success MLS is having. The addition of the Cascadian teams has been great, Montreal has been another good addition, and NYCFC and Orlando (which has great support already) will really help propel the league forward. Looks like Beckham is trying to get his franchise in Miami and Atlanta is likely the 4th team in this next round of expansion - though far from certain.

 

its the same thing with the jets an giants. everytime they are featured on sunday's nbc game, they always mention new york

At least with the Giants and Jets, they have a history of playing NY, Giants (1925-1973, 1975) and Jets/Titans (1960-83). That and me not being so passionate about the NFL is one reason why it doesn't irk me.


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Posted 28 October 2013 - 05:55 PM

I think Miami will be awful. #24 should be interesting. St. Louis?
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Posted 28 October 2013 - 08:56 PM

naming the team NY Red Bull....OK

saying you play for the NY Red Bull...OK

saying you play in the worlds greatest city....nope

 

But Harrison is clearly the world's greatest city.


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Posted 28 October 2013 - 09:37 PM

But Harrison is clearly the world's greatest city.

Harrison P.A. ?  !!!!!


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Posted 29 October 2013 - 06:29 PM

I, too, have always understood the whole marketing reasoning behind the the Red Bull group labeling the soccer team New York after it bought the team. But same as with fiesty and coffeecake, the name has awlays irked me, especially considering that the team was never from New York to begin with -- unlike the Jets and Giants.

 

Maybe if both the NYCFC and Cosmos seriously dilute New Yorkers' dedication to the Red Bulls, the team could re-name itself Red Bull Newark, after New Jersey's largest city, which happens to be right next door to Harrison. It would be such a slight name change, would Red Bull fans throughout the world even notice if they did it?


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Posted 29 October 2013 - 07:56 PM

It's not just here that teams have different names. The Detroit Pistons play in Auburn Hills, the San Francisco 49ers are moving to Santa Clara, etc. Teams play in markets. If they didn't, they couldn't generate enough fans. The Giants and Jets have fans from the city, and the Yankees and Mets have fans from NJ. Most of us grew up in the NY market, and in every sport but hockey, and basketball until last year, there is no difference between NY and NJ. Furthermore, most of our parents grew up before the Devils existed, and if we grew up watching with them (I didn't, because my parents aren't huge hockey fans), we probably grew up identifying with NY teams. I therefore don't get the blanket hate of NY, and I say this as a huge Ranger hater, who became a Devils fan mostly because I couldn't stand the morons rooting for the Rags. I do get the pain/bitterness toward RBNY for abandoning NJ as a name, but New York/New Jersey Metrostars was one of the worst names in the history of sports. They had to pick one or the other, and, whether some of us like it or not, we play in the New York market, and there's a lot of money in that market. The Red Bulls built a stadium in Harrison. They've done a great job working with Harrison and PATH to make that stadium and city and accessible and desirable destination (just look at the building that's gone up around the stadium). They've done a lot of good for NJ, when they could have pushed NYC to build them a stadium, like Man City and the Yankees just did. Name or not, the Red Bulls have shown some Jersey loyalty, and the product they put on the field, which should not only make all the fans proud, but also generates money in Harrison, is possible at least partially due to New York's international appeal, and the money New Yorkers spend on the team. I get why some people here have a problem with the name, especially since any Devils fan has to have some amount of an inferiority complex, but I don't believe that Red Bull has screwed over NJ in some terrible way. I am interested to see what happens when the Red Bulls aren't the only team in the market. They may need to embrace Jersey more, though they also need to work to keep their fans from NY when they have competition in the city.


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Posted 29 October 2013 - 11:38 PM

It's not just here that teams have different names. The Detroit Pistons play in Auburn Hills, the San Francisco 49ers are moving to Santa Clara, etc. Teams play in markets. If they didn't, they couldn't generate enough fans. The Giants and Jets have fans from the city, and the Yankees and Mets have fans from NJ. Most of us grew up in the NY market, and in every sport but hockey, and basketball until last year, there is no difference between NY and NJ. Furthermore, most of our parents grew up before the Devils existed, and if we grew up watching with them (I didn't, because my parents aren't huge hockey fans), we probably grew up identifying with NY teams. I therefore don't get the blanket hate of NY, and I say this as a huge Ranger hater, who became a Devils fan mostly because I couldn't stand the morons rooting for the Rags. I do get the pain/bitterness toward RBNY for abandoning NJ as a name, but New York/New Jersey Metrostars was one of the worst names in the history of sports. They had to pick one or the other, and, whether some of us like it or not, we play in the New York market, and there's a lot of money in that market. The Red Bulls built a stadium in Harrison. They've done a great job working with Harrison and PATH to make that stadium and city and accessible and desirable destination (just look at the building that's gone up around the stadium). They've done a lot of good for NJ, when they could have pushed NYC to build them a stadium, like Man City and the Yankees just did. Name or not, the Red Bulls have shown some Jersey loyalty, and the product they put on the field, which should not only make all the fans proud, but also generates money in Harrison, is possible at least partially due to New York's international appeal, and the money New Yorkers spend on the team. I get why some people here have a problem with the name, especially since any Devils fan has to have some amount of an inferiority complex, but I don't believe that Red Bull has screwed over NJ in some terrible way. I am interested to see what happens when the Red Bulls aren't the only team in the market. They may need to embrace Jersey more, though they also need to work to keep their fans from NY when they have competition in the city.

 

I get that North Jersey has many soccer fans that are simply happy that there is a MLS team in our backyard. The team is doing well, and I am sure the games are a lot of fun.

 

And I get the point about sports markets. New York is a huge sports market, no doubt about it.

 

But I still don't agree that it rightly justifies the Red Bulls using the New York name.

 

From the very beginning, the MetroStars/Red Bulls have been the only MLS team around. Had they named themselves New Jersey right from the start, would no soccer fans from New York have come over here to watch the games? I think they would have.

 

To compare New Jersey to Auburn Hills and Santa Clara is sort of insulting.

 

MLS has the Columbus Crew, San Jose Earthquakes and something called Chivas USA.

 

The NFL has the Green Bay Packers and the Jacksonville Jaguars.

 

And there are many pro sports teams named after not major markets but entire states: Arizona, Colorado, Minnesota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah and even one called Golden State. ... Not to mention the New Jersey Devils.

 

The Red Bulls could've easily used the New Jersey or Newark name and been successful. They just wanted to glom off of New York City.


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Posted 30 October 2013 - 09:01 AM

They obviously did not make that commercial for die hard MLS or red bull fans. They made it to attract the casual fans who only see their name an logo and probably think that they do indeed play in New York City. Same exact thing with jets and giants

 

Those people they are targeting will be in for quite the surprise when they step off the Path train in Harrison and see this ...

 

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Not exactly the picturesque image of Manhattan that they are trying to portray in those commercials. 


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