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Posted 13 October 2013 - 10:20 PM

He's not gone but it's close now...a few more efforts like tonight'll seal it before the REAL West Coast trip of doom.  Lou's not going to allow them to lose fourteen straight like the Isles a couple years back.

 

You will see a ton of different roster moves before that happens. I don`t see Deboer going even if they lose 14 in a row. 


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 10:22 PM

How many more roster moves are they going to make?  If they could make a ton of roster moves they wouldn't have Tedenby as a 'non-roster' player and given Urbom to Oates as an early Christmas present.


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 10:22 PM

You will see a ton of different roster moves before that happens. I don`t see Deboer going even if they lose 14 in a row. 

 

what roster moves, they can only make one without burying payroll


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 10:24 PM

what roster moves, they can only make one without burying payroll

 

Well they don't have to bury payroll with Gionta either, and with the way he's played he probably wouldn't be claimed regardless.  At this point I wouldn't be averse to the other one (demoting Larsson), to get him the hell away from this staff.


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 10:27 PM

Well they don't have to bury payroll with Gionta either, and with the way he's played he probably wouldn't be claimed regardless.  At this point I wouldn't be averse to the other one (demoting Larsson), to get him the hell away from this staff.

 

I don't consider demoting Larsson a move.   The next guy up will just be fvcked with too.    The only realistic move they have is sending Gionta down and activating Tedenby.   And that ain't gonna do alot


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 10:28 PM

10-29

 

This is an idiotic stat and it keeps being thrown out there.  DeBoer doesn't win shootouts.  He doesn't save pucks.  This was the first night of great goaltending NJ has gotten.

 

The players are probably losing confidence because they are pressing, and they end up doing things more on their own than as part of the system, and it looks really disjointed and awful.  This isn't a team that can look good if they try to do things on their own, they don't have guys who can score tons of goals 1 on 1.  Brunner's been going solo the last 2 games now and he's looked awful.


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 10:29 PM

This is an idiotic stat and it keeps being thrown out there.  DeBoer doesn't win shootouts.  He doesn't save pucks.  This was the first night of great goaltending NJ has gotten.

 

The players are probably losing confidence because they are pressing, and they end up doing things more on their own than as part of the system, and it looks really disjointed and awful.  This isn't a team that can look good if they try to do things on their own, they don't have guys who can score tons of goals 1 on 1.  Brunner's been going solo the last 2 games now and he's looked awful.

 

It's idiotic that they've lost 29 of their last 39 games?  LOL.   It's a results-oriented business


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 10:32 PM

10-29


 
This is an idiotic stat and it keeps being thrown out there.  DeBoer doesn't win shootouts.  He doesn't save pucks.  This was the first night of great goaltending NJ has gotten.
 
The players are probably losing confidence because they are pressing, and they end up doing things more on their own than as part of the system, and it looks really disjointed and awful.  This isn't a team that can look good if they try to do things on their own, they don't have guys who can score tons of goals 1 on 1.  Brunner's been going solo the last 2 games now and he's looked awful.

Since when is the team's win-loss record an idiotic stat? I'd say its a pretty fvcking important stat, considering, ya know, winning is the whole point. Max said it, the bottom line results are all that matter.
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Posted 13 October 2013 - 10:32 PM

It's idiotic that they've lost 29 of their last 39 games?  LOL.   It's a results-oriented business

 

It's idiotic that you are citing 2 totally different teams (one with a goaltender, albeit one that has only played half the games so far, and one that hasn't).  You are combining OT losses and regular losses even though you get a point for one and not for the other.  NJ hasn't looked good in 3 games and that is troubling, but why was no one citing that DeBoer was like 60-40-5 when the Devils started losing last year?

Both Brodeur and Hedberg started out good last year.  Brodeur had about an .890 SV% last year through March and April, Hedberg had a an .860.  How are you supposed to win a bunch of games with goaltending this awful?


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 10:34 PM

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 10:37 PM

It's idiotic that you are citing 2 totally different teams (one with a goaltender, albeit one that has only played half the games so far, and one that hasn't).  You are combining OT losses and regular losses even though you get a point for one and not for the other.  NJ hasn't looked good in 3 games and that is troubling, but why was no one citing that DeBoer was like 60-40-5 when the Devils started losing last year?

 

It's the run they're on.   You can spin it however you want.   When you finish that poorly you think you would be following the results closely early on the next season, if you were in charge.

 

They've lost 29 out of their last 39 games.   For someone that dabbles in numbers you'd think that one would stick out like a sore thumb to you.


and to double down on that, the core players that were on both teams have more or less carried over last season's offensive retardation.   and the defense, which is the same unit, is still bringing the LOL's


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 10:38 PM

I think Pete needs to go, or at least Scott Stevens.

 

We shouldn't play a single game more with Harrold and Volchenkov as the D.

 

Fayne-Zidlicky

Greene-Larsson

Sal-Merrill or Gelinas

 

 

I don't give a fvck if they make mistakes. We need their upsides and to give these guys a fvckING CHANCE.

 

I'm so sick of this Stephen Gionta, Volchenkov and HArrold bullsh!t.


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 10:41 PM

It's idiotic that you are citing 2 totally different teams (one with a goaltender, albeit one that has only played half the games so far, and one that hasn't).  You are combining OT losses and regular losses even though you get a point for one and not for the other.  NJ hasn't looked good in 3 games and that is troubling, but why was no one citing that DeBoer was like 60-40-5 when the Devils started losing last year?

Both Brodeur and Hedberg started out good last year.  Brodeur had about an .890 SV% last year through March and April, Hedberg had a an .860.  How are you supposed to win a bunch of games with goaltending this awful?

 

What difference does the goaltending make when you can't score anyway?  You'd need great goaltending (re: under 2 GAA) to win games averaging two goals per game.  They lost plenty of games 5-1 last year, it's like chicken or egg syndrome.  They had an equal number of games where they gave up 4+ and scored fewer than two.


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 10:42 PM

I do want to see what happens if Schneider gets 5+ starts in a row.  Tri is right in that the goaltending was pretty bad when the losses started piling up last season.  Marty is off to an .878 start in three games...it's a teeny sample, but this season I'm not fvcking around and giving Marty two months and roughly half the Devils' games in that time frame to try to see if he gets it going.   


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 10:42 PM

It's the run they're on.   You can spin it however you want.   When you finish that poorly you think you would be following the results closely early on the next season, if you were in charge.

 

It's the data-snooped run 'they're' on, sure.  Notice that they got rid of their terrible backup goalie and replaced him with a guy who could be one of the elite goalies.

 

They've lost 29 out of their last 39 games.   For someone that dabbles in numbers you'd think that one would stick out like a sore thumb to you.

 

LOL dude you keep yammering about it.  Okay, first off, they have 3 OT losses this year and 2-7 in OT last year, so that's 2-10.  You think that's sustainable?  Second, they got AWFUL goaltending.  Third, they got abysmal shooting luck.

 

and to double down on that, the core players that were on both teams have more or less carried over last season's offensive retardation.   and the defense, which is the same unit, is still bringing the LOL's

 

This team is not going to be good offensively.  What they're not doing right now is getting zone time or establishing the forecheck - whether that's on the personnel (they can't execute) or what, I don't know - if that doesn't get fixed, it'll be a long season.  I do think it can be fixed, and that throwing out the coach after 8 games or whatever and installing a new system is asking to repeat the same issues.

 

The Devils have gotten awful breaks to begin with that their best offensive games have come with Brodeur in net.  I'm hoping very much that we see Schneider against Ottawa and then throw Brodeur to the Rangers if he has to, but I'm not counting on that.  This team isn't going to win many games where they give up 3 goals, and they have to be better in OT/SO situations.


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 10:43 PM

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 10:43 PM

I do want to see what happens if Schneider gets 5+ starts in a row.  Tri is right in that the goaltending was pretty bad when the losses started piling up last season.  Marty is off to an .878 start in three games...it's a teeny sample, but this season I'm not fvcking around and giving Marty two months and roughly half the Devils' games in that time frame to try to see if he gets it going.   

 

Their goaltending was spectacular tonight and they couldn't get pressure on Al Montoya, and even with the spectacular goalie, a mistake by a defenseman puts a puck in the net off another one


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 10:45 PM

Their goaltending was spectacular tonight and they couldn't get pressure on Al Montoya, and even with the spectacular goalie, a mistake by a defenseman puts a puck in the net off another one

 

Not disputing above, but Schneider can at least keep them in games. 


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 10:46 PM

It's the data-snooped run 'they're' on, sure.

 

 

 

 

 

LOL dude you keep yammering about it.  Okay, first off, they have 3 OT losses this year and 2-7 in OT last year, so that's 2-10.  You think that's sustainable?  Second, they got AWFUL goaltending.  Third, they got abysmal shooting luck.


 

 

 

This team is not going to be good offensively.  What they're not doing right now is getting zone time or establishing the forecheck - whether that's on the personnel (they can't execute) or what, I don't know - if that doesn't get fixed, it'll be a long season.  I do think it can be fixed, and that throwing out the coach after 8 games or whatever and installing a new system is asking for trouble.

 

Tri, losses are losses, when they accumulate in that kind of bulk it kind of stops mattering how they happened.   You're giving me numbers and sustainable and scapegoats and luck, but the most important stat in sports is wins and losses.   And the run they're on now is actually worse than the Johnny Mac era of suck.   Not by point percentage, obviously, but by wins and loses.


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 10:46 PM

Their goaltending was spectacular tonight and they couldn't get pressure on Al Montoya, and even with the spectacular goalie, a mistake by a defenseman puts a puck in the net off another one

 

Don't bother, according to Tri it's the only game in the last 40 where we actually got good goaltending, never mind all those 2-0 and 2-1 losses late last year where the offense didn't do ****.


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