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#61 GoArmySports

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Posted 15 October 2013 - 10:11 AM

Why not do this but also include a conditional pick if Vanek doesn't resign? I'm pretty sure that's allowed in the NHL, right?

 

 

I'm pretty sure this is allowed because the Rags would of had to give up another second rounder for Clowe if he would of re-signed with them this past offseason.


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Posted 15 October 2013 - 12:09 PM

Hopefully the Rangers will find a way to clear cap space and trade for him. Not us, I envision an expensive/lengthy contract. no thx!


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Posted 15 October 2013 - 12:19 PM

The Devils should be in the market to start convincing any player over 30 to waive their no trade clause.  Start getting younger and acquiring picks.


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Posted 15 October 2013 - 12:49 PM

:hail:   It probably looks too much like one of my posts for anyone to actually comprehend what you wrote. :giggle:

 

 

 

 

 

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Not going to lie, I thought that I was reading one of your posts at first.  And not that that's a bad thing, but it definitely did look like it at first. 

 

But right on neb00rs, except that sort of thing pretty much requires a rebuild.  There's not a whole lot of talent in the pipeline..and without a first this year, we're talking about seeing results in at least 4-5 years, I'd imagine.  And by results, I mean .500 seasons (if we ditch as many vets as we can, and let the kids play).  I mean, it isn't pretty - look at Edmonton.  I don't know if our fanbase could survive a significant rebuild.


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Posted 15 October 2013 - 01:00 PM

Vanek is a hell of a player, he would help our offence big time, but he would not fix our problem right now.... (our D look Awful slow,slower, everything but poised, )


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Posted 15 October 2013 - 01:01 PM

Not going to lie, I thought that I was reading one of your posts at first.  And not that that's a bad thing, but it definitely did look like it at first. 

 

But right on neb00rs, except that sort of thing pretty much requires a rebuild.  There's not a whole lot of talent in the pipeline..and without a first this year, we're talking about seeing results in at least 4-5 years, I'd imagine.  And by results, I mean .500 seasons (if we ditch as many vets as we can, and let the kids play).  I mean, it isn't pretty - look at Edmonton.  I don't know if our fanbase could survive a significant rebuild.

 

The problem with those who want a rebuild often assume that it's automatically going to payoff with success and clear steps forward after 2-3 years of pure suckage.  No guarantees.  And during the rebuild, it can get really ugly.  Fans are willing to be patient to an extent, but usually after a couple of seasons of brutal play, they lose patience pretty quickly.


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Posted 15 October 2013 - 01:08 PM

Just saw a Rangers fan on Facebook suggest the Rangers do a Girardi-for-Vanek trade, "straight up" hahaha... And no one called him out for being unrealistic. Thought it was one of the most delusional idiotic things I've read in recent weeks and figured I'd share.


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Posted 15 October 2013 - 01:10 PM

The problem with those who want a rebuild often assume that it's automatically going to payoff with success and clear steps forward after 2-3 years of pure suckage.  No guarantees.  And during the rebuild, it can get really ugly.  Fans are willing to be patient to an extent, but usually after a couple of seasons of brutal play, they lose patience pretty quickly.

 

Rebuilds don't start with a bunch of promising young players.  They start with a bunch of mediocre veterans and never wases.  Then you add one promising young player to that mix, repeat.  Rebuilds are horrendous and good teams shouldn't need to do them.


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Posted 15 October 2013 - 01:10 PM

The problem with those who want a rebuild often assume that it's automatically going to payoff with success and clear steps forward after 2-3 years of pure suckage.  No guarantees.  And during the rebuild, it can get really ugly.  Fans are willing to be patient to an extent, but usually after a couple of seasons of brutal play, they lose patience pretty quickly.

 

Devils cannot afford a rebuild period, it would be catastrophic.


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Posted 15 October 2013 - 01:21 PM

Rebuilds don't start with a bunch of promising young players.  They start with a bunch of mediocre veterans and never wases.  Then you add one promising young player to that mix, repeat.  Rebuilds are horrendous and good teams shouldn't need to do them.

 

Yeah, usually starts with "character" guys who play hard and try hard, and can set a good example for the kids through simple work ethic, this is what it means to be a pro, etc., but really aren't very good on the ice and are pretty tough to watch.  And yeah, then hopefully you add a couple of pieces through your system and discard of couple of the "gave-it-their-alls" each year, get a little bit better, rinse, lather, repeat.  Takes years and even then, it only takes a couple of high draft picks or young guys not panning out to either delay or derail the process altogether.  Like I said, it's far from a sure thing, unless you luck your way into players like the ones that fell into Pittsburgh's lap. 

 

As long as the Devils can get some young talent that can stick with the big team coming through the system soon, they should be OK. 


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Posted 15 October 2013 - 11:21 PM

Vanek, at this moment in time, isn't a good fit here.  I like him and his scoring prowess, but the Devils need to shed some of the power-forward type players (ala Ryder / Clowe) and get some speed.

 

The Devils are simply a team that have a bunch of "spare parts" that perhaps would be successful on other teams as parter of the larger whole, but on this team aren't exactly clicking on all cylinders.

 

I would like to see two young prospect defensemen (ala Gelinas and Merril) and Boucher / Teddy / YaYo play with more consistency.

 

If we're gonna throw away the season before game 10, might as well get the younger lads in games so that they can get some work in.  No need to have a group of overpaid, undermotivated, underachievers on the ice IMO.

 

Lol, why do we need to get rid of Ryder?


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Posted 16 October 2013 - 07:36 AM

getting Vanek itself i have no problem with it cause he's a natural scorer and you never have enough of those, especially since he's awesome in SO just there it could be a huge difference.

 

My worry is that he'd be gone in June and that we would have lost yet again some prospects/players for a rental and we're obviously not contenders this year unless something unreal happen


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Posted 16 October 2013 - 08:21 AM

Guys, newsflash

 

We are not getting Vanek


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Posted 16 October 2013 - 08:37 AM

Guys, newsflash
 
We are not getting Vanek

how did this thread even start.. i mean i think most of us ended up thinking we werent going to get burnner either but uhh
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Posted 18 October 2013 - 12:52 AM

Thanks to those who replied to my post - please understand it's more of an honest emotional outburst than an analysis - it's written as a fan and not a pundit. I give up the punditry - I for one, am ready to admit that I don't have the answers. I just want to get rid of all the gunk and crap; something simple - and no, I DO NOT know how to get there.


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Posted 18 October 2013 - 01:10 AM

Besides, the Devils need a player like Karlsson more than they need a player like Vanek.


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Posted 18 October 2013 - 08:55 AM

Besides, the Devils need a player like Karlsson more than they need a player like Vanek.

If the Devils acquire Erik Karlsson he will be sit in the press box with Mark Fayne because our coach will play ours superstars harrold, our captain salvador, our big train volchenkov, our offensive upside zidlicky  instead.

 

One game Larsson in, the other Karlsson in.


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Posted 18 October 2013 - 12:08 PM

Besides, the Devils need a player like Karlsson more than they need a player like Vanek.

 

But you couldn't pry a player like Karlsson from Ottawa unless you had the GM at gunpoint, and even then..

 

Essentially, you're not getting a young, talented player.  Ever.  It just never happens, unless you're sending young talent the other way as well (which the Devils just happen to be fresh out of, excluding Larsson).  The seemingly only available players nowadays are 30+ veterans, who get horrendous contracts that teams will be regretting a few years down the road.

 

I'm convinced you need to draft well, and keep your talent to succeed in this 'new' NHL.  You need good young players on ELC's or bridge contracts, with some talented veterans on big contracts sprinkled in.  None of these absolute garbage contracts like Clowe's and Clarkson's as place fillers.


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Posted 20 October 2013 - 01:24 AM

But you couldn't pry a player like Karlsson from Ottawa unless you had the GM at gunpoint, and even then..

 

Essentially, you're not getting a young, talented player.  Ever.  It just never happens, unless you're sending young talent the other way as well (which the Devils just happen to be fresh out of, excluding Larsson).  The seemingly only available players nowadays are 30+ veterans, who get horrendous contracts that teams will be regretting a few years down the road.

 

I'm convinced you need to draft well, and keep your talent to succeed in this 'new' NHL.  You need good young players on ELC's or bridge contracts, with some talented veterans on big contracts sprinkled in.  None of these absolute garbage contracts like Clowe's and Clarkson's as place fillers.

 

What I mean is, we need a guy who can help Zidlicky provide offense from our backend.  If we're getting anybody from Buffalo, Ehrhoff is the guy I want.  But his contract sucks.  The same thing goes for Tyler Myers.


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Posted 23 October 2013 - 01:15 PM

if Im playing GM, I might try to inlude Schneider and Enroth in a trade like this. I understand its completely unrealistic, but id like it.
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