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#41 dmann422

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 07:39 AM

The only thing we know for sure about Larsson is he is not on pace to be the next lidstrom or niedermeyer. To some that's a bust but he still has plenty of time to grow into a top pairing d.
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Posted 14 October 2013 - 07:43 AM

The only thing we know for sure about Larsson is he is not on pace to be the next lidstrom or niedermeyer. To some that's a bust but he still has plenty of time to grow into a top pairing d.

 

In other words, Larsson won't go down in history as one of the ten greatest defensemen.


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Posted 14 October 2013 - 07:45 AM

he looked better the first season he played, but seems to be going backwards

 

Well if his ability and standard of play is going backwards, if it is anything like his skating we dont have a lot to worry about,  because it wont be going backwards very quickly.  


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Posted 14 October 2013 - 07:47 AM

defense takes a great amount of mental focus, you need to be out in front of the play constantly in your mind. anticipation is a premium and your engine needs to be rev'ing  at 10,000 rpms

 

larssons turns are not bad, the technical term is a pivot and stepout, he's fine, the problem is what preceeds that his gap control and his backward speed, mainly his speed. and thats most quickly generated by backwards crossovers. i noticed that they worked on those last year after he was sat, he came back quicker with a better motor. unfortunately it doesnt appear to be natural for him and when the bullets start flying things revert.  the question is can he stay focused and amped for 60 mins x 80+ games

 

btw  a bad as he looked on the kane move, tri was correct, he actually pushed him just wide enough with his length


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Posted 14 October 2013 - 08:06 AM

He is playing more tentative this year, and too afraid to make a mistake.    This is a coaching issue, I wish Larry Robinson were still here because he would be a much better player right now.   I don't see Stevens as the teaching type as a coach.

 

He is 20 years old, it typically takes a young defensemen about 5 years to fully understand the game at the NHL level.

 

He is fine.   


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Posted 14 October 2013 - 08:11 AM

kids scared sh!tless that any mistake will cost him a bench. not going to do well under deboer, we should trade him for picks.


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Posted 14 October 2013 - 08:25 AM

kids scared sh!tless that any mistake will cost him a bench. not going to do well under deboer, we should trade him for picks.

 

Agree with the first part.

Some players respond well to the pressure of a tough coach, some don't.  Larsson is the latter.


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Posted 14 October 2013 - 08:26 AM

kids scared sh!tless that any mistake will cost him a bench. not going to do well under deboer, we should trade him for picks.

 

Can't disagree.


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Posted 14 October 2013 - 08:28 AM

The only thing we know for sure about Larsson is he is not on pace to be the next lidstrom or niedermeyer. To some that's a bust but he still has plenty of time to grow into a top pairing d.

 

I don't think you can really say that considering Lidstrom started playing with the Red Wings when he was 22 or 23. And sure, Lidstrom's numbers were great early on, but look at the team he had around him.


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Posted 14 October 2013 - 08:29 AM

In other words, Larsson won't go down in history as one of the ten greatest defensemen.


Exactly, people overreact. If you thought he was going to be lidstrom level then yes he will be a bust but at only 20 he has plenty of time to grow into a great player.

Edited by dmann422, 14 October 2013 - 08:29 AM.

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 08:33 AM

I don't think many people here figured in 2 and a half seasons Larsson would be a Lidstrom or Niedermayer level player, but he should have at least shown a hint of growth or improvement.  There are times it looks like he has gone backwards with his development.


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Posted 14 October 2013 - 08:33 AM

kids scared sh!tless that any mistake will cost him a bench. not going to do well under deboer, we should trade him for picks.

 

So wait, if the coach turns out to have been the team's issue and not Larsson, we would have dealt a potential top D-man because he just "didn't work out at the time"? Like, we could totally have a new coach by Thanksgiving... But you'd want to trade Larsson now?


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Posted 14 October 2013 - 08:43 AM

I don't think many people here figured in 2 and a half seasons Larsson would be a Lidstrom or Niedermayer level player, but he should have at least shown a hint of growth or improvement. There are times it looks like he has gone backwards with his development.


I agree, overall he has been a disappointment but anyone who says he's a "bust" at this point either means they thought he would be an all time great or they are extremely impatient.
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Posted 14 October 2013 - 08:45 AM

His favorite TV show was One Tree Hill. That explains it all to me.

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Oh myyyyy


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Posted 14 October 2013 - 09:01 AM

Don't want to give up on him yet, but maybe lou is trying to flip him for Yakupov
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Posted 14 October 2013 - 09:24 AM

Don't want to give up on him yet, but maybe lou is trying to flip him for Yakupov

 

Wouldn't be against ... WAIT, RUSSIAN DETECTED.  NOPE ABORT NEVERMIND

 

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 09:29 AM

I wonder how things would have been different if he hadn't been rushed into the NHL that first year. He handled himself alright, but I don't think it was the best thing for him.


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Posted 14 October 2013 - 09:32 AM

I wonder how things would have been different if he hadn't been rushed into the NHL that first year. He handled himself alright, but I don't think it was the best thing for him.

 

He'd obviously have a Calder and a Norris to his name by now! 


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Posted 14 October 2013 - 09:37 AM

So wait, if the coach turns out to have been the team's issue and not Larsson, we would have dealt a potential top D-man because he just "didn't work out at the time"? Like, we could totally have a new coach by Thanksgiving... But you'd want to trade Larsson now?

This. Lou needs to figure out what's wrong with the team. If it's the players, PDB stays. If it's the coaching, save the players. And I can't tell with Larsson, because he hasn't ever played for anyone else, and I haven't been impressed with the way PDB has handled him, aside from during the Cup run, when he had him ready to jump in, even when he was sitting.


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Posted 14 October 2013 - 09:46 AM

kids scared sh!tless that any mistake will cost him a bench. not going to do well under deboer, we should trade him for picks.


Considering Pete 'might' be gone within a week there's no point to doing that anyway.
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