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#521 dmann422

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 10:35 AM

The thing is that the less Schneider plays (and worse he plays) the lower his price is on the open market. Right now, are the Penguins really willing to ditch Fleury and go with Schneider? And is Schneider willing to pass up a large contract offer from NJ for free agency, where again, right now he doesn't have the pristine numbers he had coming to NJ? Remember, Brodeur is 42 at the end of this season - he really cannot be expected to play more than another year and he can't be expected to be the starter next year, either.

I don't usually agree with sterio but you have to know that all it takes is one gm to do something dumb like offer an insane contract, and there are plenty of teams out there desperate for goaltending with dumb gms.

I doubt his play this season has much bearing on his contract, he will still be held in high regard come next offseason.
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Posted 07 January 2014 - 11:12 AM

Look at us signing Clowe, the guy couldn't score to save his life for a year and was a known as a injury prone player and at risk, overpaid and signed him forever. 

 

There's no way Schneider's value drop just cause he plays less games, look what Bernier got in a trade and was barely playing, same with Varlamorv


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Posted 07 January 2014 - 12:29 PM

Look at us signing Clowe, the guy couldn't score to save his life for a year and was a known as a injury prone player and at risk, overpaid and signed him forever. 
 
There's no way Schneider's value drop just cause he plays less games, look what Bernier got in a trade and was barely playing, same with Varlamorv

speaking of clowe I like his physical play but I feel like hes never going to score a goal he just doesnt seem like hes ever in a good position
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Posted 07 January 2014 - 01:03 PM

Look at us signing Clowe, the guy couldn't score to save his life for a year and was a known as a injury prone player and at risk, overpaid and signed him forever. 

 

There's no way Schneider's value drop just cause he plays less games, look what Bernier got in a trade and was barely playing, same with Varlamorv

 

Bernier wasn't traded for all that much, considering.  Schneider isn't a young goalie any more - he was drafted in the same draft as Travis Zajac.  

 

Teams like signing guys they think are sure things, like Clowe, who had a nice career up until last year.  Schneider is on pace to start less than 40 games this year - if he gets hurt next year or for whatever reason doesn't play more than 40, are teams really lining up with their 7 year contracts for him?


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Posted 07 January 2014 - 01:27 PM

Urbom on waivers. Any thoughts? If claimed by any team, does he have to stay on roster for 30 days?
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Posted 07 January 2014 - 01:32 PM

Bernier wasn't traded for all that much, considering.  Schneider isn't a young goalie any more - he was drafted in the same draft as Travis Zajac.  

 

Teams like signing guys they think are sure things, like Clowe, who had a nice career up until last year.  Schneider is on pace to start less than 40 games this year - if he gets hurt next year or for whatever reason doesn't play more than 40, are teams really lining up with their 7 year contracts for him?

 

My point is we're gonna have to sign him no matter what, with that we gave up and all we absolutely have to sign him.

 

So why even take the risk to put ourselves in a situation where it would be out of our hands? The "loyal" thing is BS now, Lou has to understand its 2014 now and money talk and we're not as appealing as we we're before, it just take one team to be slightly better than us throwing similar money and we could lose him. 

 

So if we can sign him earlier why no one else is bidding, why the fvck not? Why even take the risk? its absolutely useless. We can debate and stipulate all day long that "maybe schneider's agent would push him to test free agency to get more money" if a GM and a player really want to make a deal, they'll make one. You see it around the league all season long.  


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Posted 07 January 2014 - 01:33 PM

Urbom on waivers. Any thoughts? If claimed by any team, does he have to stay on roster for 30 days?

 

He doesn't have a spot here. The Devils exposed him on waivers to begin with for a reason. I always liked the guy, but Larsson, Merrill, Gelinas, etc all passed him on the depth chart.


My point is we're gonna have to sign him no matter what, with that we gave up and all we absolutely have to sign him.

 

So why even take the risk to put ourselves in a situation where it would be out of our hands? The "loyal" thing is BS now, Lou has to understand its 2014 now and money talk and we're not as appealing as we we're before, it just take one team to be slightly better than us throwing similar money and we could lose him. 

 

So if we can sign him earlier why no one else is bidding, why the fvck not? Why even take the risk? its absolutely useless. We can debate and stipulate all day long that "maybe schneider's agent would push him to test free agency to get more money" if a GM and a player really want to make a deal, they'll make one. You see it around the league all season long.  

 

He can't even sign a contract until July 1 of this year, so there's no reason to panic just yet.


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Posted 07 January 2014 - 01:58 PM

He can't even sign a contract until July 1 of this year, so there's no reason to panic just yet.

 

I know i just meant we cant wait til after next season.


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Posted 07 January 2014 - 03:36 PM

I know i just meant we cant wait til after next season.

 

I agree. I'd like him signed by the end of July. With the new CBA rules, its really something I'd like taken care of.


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Posted 07 January 2014 - 08:17 PM

I agree. I'd like him signed by the end of July. With the new CBA rules, its really something I'd like taken care of.

 

Problem is Schneider probably winds up this season with about 40-45 GP, 15-20 wins and good but not great numbers otherwise.  Sure, if the Devils offer him max years at high per year average, he'd probably take it, but I could see Lou offering five or six years at less than top dollar.  Looks like Schneider's not going to get a chance to show he can be a 55-60 start #1-type this season, but he likely will next season.  I'm guessing his agent will tell him more money will be waiting for him after next season. 


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Posted 07 January 2014 - 10:33 PM

IDC what people have to say about Gionta.  But he's been great since coming back from injury.  I'd still like to see Josefson get consistent playing time, but with how Gio is playing, there's no way we can get him in the lineup.


speaking of clowe I like his physical play but I feel like hes never going to score a goal he just doesnt seem like hes ever in a good position

 

Yea and it's concerning.  But his overall play has been pretty good since coming back.  Hopefully he gets rewarded with a goal eventually.


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Posted 07 January 2014 - 11:46 PM

IDC what people have to say about Gionta.  But he's been great since coming back from injury.  I'd still like to see Josefson get consistent playing time, but with how Gio is playing, there's no way we can get him in the lineup.

 
Yea and it's concerning.  But his overall play has been pretty good since coming back.  Hopefully he gets rewarded with a goal eventually.

clowe looked much better tonight for being in a scoring position was pleased with what he brought. Never thought gionta was as bad as what people always made him out to be around here.. hes a quick little guy.. even if he only has 2 or 3 goals atleast he puts in total effort which is a lot more then what some of the others appear to put in.
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Posted 09 January 2014 - 11:22 AM

Okay, tonight's lineup has me really annoyed.  Loktionov out, Gelinas in, going with 7 D?  The Devils already have 3 D who play less than 20 minutes a game, now they're going to add another one?  I get that they are valuing the power play above Loktionov's 8-10 minutes on the 4th line, but that line has been ridiculously good the last 3 games - there's no sense in breaking it up.  They have to do something about this.


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Posted 09 January 2014 - 11:28 AM

Okay, tonight's lineup has me really annoyed.  Loktionov out, Gelinas in, going with 7 D?  The Devils already have 3 D who play less than 20 minutes a game, now they're going to add another one?  I get that they are valuing the power play above Loktionov's 8-10 minutes on the 4th line, but that line has been ridiculously good the last 3 games - there's no sense in breaking it up.  They have to do something about this.

more of petes great line up choices... lokti has done nothing at all in a while... a pretty long while i dont think we will be missing anything with him sitting tonight
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Posted 09 January 2014 - 11:37 AM

Not NEW (geez) topics here, Tri. As an old coach used to say all the time (John Fox, Panthers), "it is what it is."

 

He liked the way the defense played, so I imagine that means he liked Fayne, Merrill and Volch. It's irrelevant how well Salvador plays because he is a lock in this lineup. Against Dallas, you wouldn't want Volch, Salvador, and Gelinas together..but here we are.

 

So then we have the forwards. Taking Loktionov out just sucks. That line has been very good. It's out of the question that anyone from "the new third line" comes out, but I don't agree with this at all. And it actually doubles down on what Jagr was complaining about. Now you have guys double shifting with Boucher and Sislo.

 

If Gelinas is coming in, he better be on the first PP unit. Even then, I don't think this tradeoff makes much sense at all.


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Posted 09 January 2014 - 11:45 AM

Pete's days have to be getting numbered. His system is alright but these personnel decisions are getting bad.


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Posted 09 January 2014 - 11:48 AM

Yeah gelinas is coming in to be a pp specialist or get even strength time if were down in the third.

The way the pp has been I don't blame him for shoehorning gelinas in but I did like the way the lokti line has been playing and after jagr said the same guys are getting a lot of ice time I thought it would be good to keep that line together.

Oh well if we win by 4 goals tonight Pete is a genius I guess.
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Posted 09 January 2014 - 11:49 AM

Pete's days have to be getting numbered. His system is alright but these personnel decisions are getting bad.

if you ask me i think he shouldve been canned a while back.. gotta wonder what its going to take for them to actually let him go.. maybe if the team doesnt make the playoffs once again that will be enough already
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Posted 09 January 2014 - 11:51 AM

Okay, tonight's lineup has me really annoyed.  Loktionov out, Gelinas in, going with 7 D?  The Devils already have 3 D who play less than 20 minutes a game, now they're going to add another one?  I get that they are valuing the power play above Loktionov's 8-10 minutes on the 4th line, but that line has been ridiculously good the last 3 games - there's no sense in breaking it up.  They have to do something about this.

 

We need Gelinas offense.  That's why he's in.


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Posted 09 January 2014 - 12:13 PM

We need Gelinas offense.  That's why he's in.

 

Loktionov has been on for 16 shots on goal in the last 3 games he's played versus 5 against.  That's generating offense.  Now tonight what'll likely happen is that the Devils swap in players on the 4th line, then find a way to get Boucher on higher lines after PKs and drop Sislo from the rotation entirely.  It means 15 minutes of Stephen Gionta - this is the opposite of 'adding offense'. 

 

dr33:  I don't necessarily blame him for tonight - Lou has to get rid of one of these guys somehow, whether by the AHL or trade - but if it's just tonight it's okay.  If they are going to make the decision after tonight, fine.  But it has to be made very soon.


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