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#581 Steadevils

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 03:19 PM

Agree with Tri. Zuby-Zajac-Jagr has slowed down a bit, so if they aren't really going early I could see trying elias in for zubs for a while.


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Posted 16 January 2014 - 03:24 PM

They could do a lot of things with Elias. One thing I could easily see is him replacing Zubrus for a few shifts on the Zubrus-Zajac-Jagr line. That + PP + SH time would get him up to 15 minutes. Or they could use Boucher on that line and go with Elias-Gionta-Bernier again, leaving Carter and Zubrus as extras.

yeah I'm sure Elias will find his ice time, plus there have been times where it seems like Pete likes to split the cbgb line for a few shifts (or games) and then reunite them as if it somehow sparks them up again.

I agree with most that with Elias needing to be eased back in the seven d thing is tough but honestly I like the flexibility Pete has had to play with his defensive pairings in certain situations. As I said yesterday I don't think we're going back to 6 d anytime soon.
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Posted 16 January 2014 - 03:46 PM

When Brunner gets back: 9 D, six spots

 

Sal, Volch, Gelinas, Fanye, Greene, Zidlicky, Larsson, Merill, Harrold

 

Send Harry down, sit one of Sal/Volch, rotating door between Gelinas, Merill and Fanye.

 

Really need to trade one of these guys.

The D logjam in the entire organization is insane. Going by current assignments:
NHL (8): Volchenkov, Salvador, Greene, Zidlicky, Fayne, Merrill, Harrold, Gelinas
AHL (9): Larsson, Urbom, Helgeson, Burlon, Hrabarenka, Scarlett, McPherson, Kelly, Young

Albany's all healthy and been using 7 D with Young as the scratch (as he should be, or just ECHL him) and Hrabarenka, Burlon, and Urbom as a rotating scratch. Shame it's cutting into Hrabarenka's time since he's been doing well since his promotion to the AHL.
 


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Posted 16 January 2014 - 04:28 PM

Agree with Tri. Zuby-Zajac-Jagr has slowed down a bit, so if they aren't really going early I could see trying elias in for zubs for a while.

not that i dont like zubrus on that line..but i think that line could really be a lethal combination with elias in for him
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Posted 16 January 2014 - 08:52 PM

Yes...I'm not overly excited by Gionta playing 17.5 minutes.

 

How would Gionta get 17 minutes?


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Posted 17 January 2014 - 07:19 AM

How would Gionta get 17 minutes?

 

I don't get the question. He played 17.5 vs Canadiens. Playing CBGB as third line means more minutes than CBGB as fourth. 


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Posted 18 January 2014 - 01:16 AM

I don't get the question. He played 17.5 vs Canadiens. Playing CBGB as third line means more minutes than CBGB as fourth. 

 

Under my scenario, the CBGB would be the 4th line.


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Posted 18 January 2014 - 05:08 AM

Under my scenario, the CBGB would be the 4th line.

 

Yes. I agreed with you from the start.


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Posted 18 January 2014 - 08:34 AM

Im not seeing the love for clowe, his flashes (10%) are hardly making up for the other 90% of the time where the game is being played nowhere near him!

zube and travis play too similar a role on that line (possessors) drop zubie down.  but as an EXTRA FORWARD?? really. what does that mean?

 

henrique is moving well again, keep he and ryder together but add help which clowe doesnt bring

 

get brunner and larsson back, dont let gelly and merrill see the ice together. merrills a good puck carrier and I like his escape moves, but he needs work on defensive positioning and finishing his passes, Im old school in terms of D pairing (from the orr/awry days) pair a mover with a stay home. fayne green, larson/merrill, sal zid


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Posted 18 January 2014 - 11:01 AM

Im not seeing the love for clowe, his flashes (10%) and hardly making up for the other 90% of the time where the game is being played nowhere near him!
zube and travis play too similar a role on that line (possessors) drop zubie down.  but as an EXTRA FORWARD?? really. what does that mean?
 
henrique is moving well again, keep he and ryder together but add help which clowe doesnt bring
 
get brunner and larsson back, dont let gelly and merrill see the ice together. merrills a good puck carrier and I like his escape moves, but he needs work on defensive positioning and finishing his passes, Im old schiil in terms of D pairing (from the orr/awry days) pair a mover with a stay home. fayne green, larson/merrill, sal zid

agree with pretty much this whole post here.. i dont think gelly and Merrill should be together ..spread the youth with the older guys to find an even balance
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Posted 18 January 2014 - 12:29 PM

Yes. I agreed with you from the start.

 

I'm sorry.  My bad.


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Posted 18 January 2014 - 12:32 PM

I, like a lot of people, want to see Larsson back in the NHL. I hope that the plan is to call him back up after this road trip. Also unfortunate that Tedenby turned it on down in the AHL. Wish he could have done that for New Jersey.


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Posted 18 January 2014 - 02:34 PM

Well, NJ is setting up the lines I envisioned. Boucher up with Jagr and Zajac and Zubrus witth Elias and Bernier, for now.


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Posted 18 January 2014 - 03:05 PM

Well, NJ is setting up the lines I envisioned. Boucher up with Jagr and Zajac and Zubrus witth Elias and Bernier, for now.

 

I just hope Pete runs with it.


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Posted 18 January 2014 - 05:57 PM

Brodeur tonight. A little surprised but with how everything has went this year, you can't be too shocked.

 

Found this funny from TG's latest blog:

 

 

“I think he’s handled it well,” DeBoer said. “Obviously, he would like to play every night. He’s got that mindset, but I think he has made some adjustments in that mindset based on the fact that Cory’s here and how well Cory’s played. But I think he realizes that (when he’s) fresh he’s at a different level.”

 

DeBoer acknowledges “they’re difficult decisions” when it comes to selecting Brodeur or Schneider as his starter for each game, but says, “I wouldn’t want it any other way.”

“I wouldn’t trade places with a team with two average goaltenders to not have to deal with it,” he said. “That’s how I look at it. It’s a nice problem to have to deal with.”

 

The Devils don't have a Tim Thomas/Tuukka Rask situation here. You don't have two great goalies, Pete. You have a very good one and one below average one. This sh!t isn't rocket science. There isn't a fvcking problem.


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Posted 18 January 2014 - 06:06 PM

Also from TG's blog, DeBoer on Gionta:

 

 

 “He’s a hard guy not to play. Everyone wants to play with him. He’s responsible.”

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Meanwhile Josefson hasn't played in about a month. Pretty sure Josefson wouldn't join both defensemen behind his own net.


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Posted 18 January 2014 - 06:13 PM

Also from TG's blog, DeBoer on Gionta:

 

:blink:

 

Meanwhile Josefson hasn't played in about a month. Pretty sure Josefson wouldn't join both defensemen behind his own net.

 

I think I have been posting this stuff for 3 months right now. The young guys just never had a chance with Pete. He has his favourites and it's pretty much impossible for anyone else to get a shot to prove they can do better. And Gionta can simply do no wrong. At least Pete is saying that he becomes ineffective when playing so much. But it's the ridiculous over the top praise he gives some of these guys that can really annoy you.

 

Meanwhile Josefson can 7-8 minutes with Janssen and gets yanked out. Nobody is going to be able to impress playing 6-7 minutes a night.

 

Going into the season I saw 3 issues:

 

Brodeur blocking Schneider

Salvador blocking a young defenseman

Gionta blocking Josefson

 

The third one isn't that big a problem. But Larsson in the minors right now is awful, and so does the discrepancy in Cory and Marty's numbers without the discrepancy in games


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Posted 18 January 2014 - 06:17 PM

In Pete's defense vis-a-vis the goalies, CR's numbers a couple days ago showed that Brodeur's actually kept up with Cory over their last eight starts apiece.  They've each BEEN very good for a month.  Marty was obviously going to play another game or two before the Winter Classic anyway.


The third one isn't that big a problem. But Larsson in the minors right now is awful, and so does the discrepancy in Cory and Marty's numbers without the discrepancy in games

 

The Larsson thing is the biggest issue I have right now...but I blame Lou on that more than Pete.  He's dragged his feet for TWO YEARS with this defensive logjam.


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Posted 18 January 2014 - 06:24 PM

I think I have been posting this stuff for 3 months right now. The young guys just never had a chance with Pete. He has his favourites and it's pretty much impossible for anyone else to get a shot to prove they can do better. And Gionta can simply do no wrong. At least Pete is saying that he becomes ineffective when playing so much. But it's the ridiculous over the top praise he gives some of these guys that can really annoy you.

 

Meanwhile Josefson can 7-8 minutes with Janssen and gets yanked out. Nobody is going to be able to impress playing 6-7 minutes a night.

 

Going into the season I saw 3 issues:

 

Brodeur blocking Schneider

Salvador blocking a young defenseman

Gionta blocking Josefson

 

The third one isn't that big a problem. But Larsson in the minors right now is awful, and so does the discrepancy in Cory and Marty's numbers without the discrepancy in games

Agree with everything you said.

 

I do understand that DeBoer's job is all about wins and losses and not player development, but damn is it frustrating to see a 22 year old like Josefson to have only played in 16 games, averaging 10:10, and his most common linemate being Janssen (44:36) having to sit in favor of a guy who is pretty much in the NHL because of his last name. Gionta was below the 25th percentile every year in his AHL career in production so it's not like he even had a strong track record down there. There is also no way I'm convinced Gionta is a better defensive player than Josefson.

 

Larsson being in the AHL is a crime right now. I agree with NJDevs4978 that it is really Lou's fault.


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Posted 18 January 2014 - 06:24 PM

Also from TG's blog, DeBoer on Gionta:

 

:blink:

 

Meanwhile Josefson hasn't played in about a month. Pretty sure Josefson wouldn't join both defensemen behind his own net.

 

Gionta's been a better player than Josefson for the last two years.  Whether you want to blame Pete or not in terms of not giving Josefson much of a chance this year (he had one last year), it is what it is at this point.  And if Pete was being that unreasonable with his praise of Gio the guys in the locker room would start rolling their eyes.  It's possible he's popular in the room so that's part of the reason he gets the favored son treatment.


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