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#741 dmann422

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 08:01 PM

Sometimes I think we analyze roster decisions way more than Lou or the coaches ever do. Lou and Pete are in the business of winning games, proper prospect management is way down the list of their priorities. Many may not like it but it's clearly the way the devils work. If they feel that a guy like Matteau can help for a few games, they won't worry about his contract situation 3 or 4 years down the line. Same goes for josefson.

This can also apply to lineup decisions. For whatever reason, the team was winning early with Marty in net, thus he was getting starts. The stats may not agree but the results did. Now that has changed and Cory is getting the starts.

It's clear to me that they put the guys on the ice that they feel give them the best team. And yes this includes Salvador volchenkov gionta Bernier Merrill Marty and anyone else who has gotten complaints on here over the past few weeks.
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Posted 24 January 2014 - 08:52 PM

Sometimes I think we analyze roster decisions way more than Lou or the coaches ever do. Lou and Pete are in the business of winning games, proper prospect management is way down the list of their priorities. Many may not like it but it's clearly the way the devils work. If they feel that a guy like Matteau can help for a few games, they won't worry about his contract situation 3 or 4 years down the line. Same goes for josefson.

This can also apply to lineup decisions. For whatever reason, the team was winning early with Marty in net, thus he was getting starts. The stats may not agree but the results did. Now that has changed and Cory is getting the starts.

It's clear to me that they put the guys on the ice that they feel give them the best team. And yes this includes Salvador volchenkov gionta Bernier Merrill Marty and anyone else who has gotten complaints on here over the past few weeks.

I get what you are saying and agree you should put the best possible guys on the ice, but only when you're in playoff contention imo. It just seems like a waste to burn a year of Josefson's waiver exemption when the team was essentially out of the playoffs by a long margin. Now they lose flexibility and in turn he's stuck "developing" in a suite at games. I get that they wanted him to get some time under Lemaire, but they could've done it without sacrificing a whole year of waiver exemption.

FWIW, I had no issue with burning a year of Matteau's ELC last year since to me that was a team that was in playoff contention.


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 09:47 PM

They're not meaningless if he is a mainstay in the line up right now. In a lost season, which that was, why burn through the waiver year? Bad roster management.

 

Because he was an NHL player then.  Did he look out of place in the NHL at that point?  He wasn't a drag on possession and played well.  Tough to say the same about his unfortunately short performances this year.


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Posted 25 January 2014 - 04:33 AM

Because he was an NHL player then.  Did he look out of place in the NHL at that point?  He wasn't a drag on possession and played well.  Tough to say the same about his unfortunately short performances this year.

That's not my point though, I agree he was a NHL player. I mean, if you aren't confident that the next coach will make him mainstay in the line up, then why not pick up a fringe player to finish out the year for a team well out of playoff contention? Seems a bit irresponsible to end up in this situation. I really don't think I'm being unfair in my criticism of the way the Devils handled Josefson's development.


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Posted 25 January 2014 - 11:02 AM

That's not my point though, I agree he was a NHL player. I mean, if you aren't confident that the next coach will make him mainstay in the line up, then why not pick up a fringe player to finish out the year for a team well out of playoff contention? Seems a bit irresponsible to end up in this situation. I really don't think I'm being unfair in my criticism of the way the Devils handled Josefson's development.

 

But that's just it - DeBoer did make him a mainstay in the lineup.  Not only was he never a healthy scratch in 2011-12 (to my knowledge), he was brought back into the lineup for another healthy player when he returned from injury.  He was also never a healthy scratch in 2012-13 until he went down to Albany.  He just hasn't really done anything at the NHL level in 2 years.


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Posted 25 January 2014 - 11:40 AM

whitney returned to the AHL - nice try kid.


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Posted 25 January 2014 - 11:41 AM

whitney returned to the AHL - nice try kid.

no way...they sent him back down already?
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Posted 25 January 2014 - 11:46 AM

So who replaces Whitney?


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Posted 25 January 2014 - 11:50 AM

they shouldve left boucher up here for now
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Posted 25 January 2014 - 12:00 PM

whitney returned to the AHL - nice try kid.

 

Oh well...wasn't like he was a guy who was figuring heavily into the Devils' plans.  He can always say that at least he played a game in the NHL.  A lot of guys can't.


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Posted 25 January 2014 - 12:12 PM

There is this other guy who play top 6 LW in camp and did a pretty good job of it...

 

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Posted 25 January 2014 - 12:13 PM

josefson with zajac and jagr - i know a few people are going to get their wish.


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Posted 25 January 2014 - 12:17 PM

josefson with zajac and jagr - i know a few people are going to get their wish.

figured it would probably be him.. not sure how i feel about putting him in that slot
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Posted 25 January 2014 - 12:26 PM

josefson with zajac and jagr - i know a few people are going to get their wish.


Ah very nice. Maybe he and jagr can connect.
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Posted 25 January 2014 - 12:29 PM

Hope Josefson doesn't show any rust. One mistake and he'll be riding the bench again.


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Posted 25 January 2014 - 01:09 PM

Not the ideal situation for Josefson since I believe he is a better center but he is excellent on the boards and very creative on the wing. 


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Posted 25 January 2014 - 01:23 PM

Kinda hope Whitney gets another look at some point.. Feel bad for the guy a bit.

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Posted 25 January 2014 - 01:30 PM

Kinda hope Whitney gets another look at some point.. Feel bad for the guy a bit.

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That's it for him. I don't really understand what they hope when you give a guy a few shifts, be it Whitney, Josefson, Loktionov, etc. Very hard to adjust to the NHL speed when either you have never played or have been sitting for weeks or months.

 

For Whitney, playing with a guy like Jagr is very tough. He doesn't like to make the simple play often, and to find any chemistry in 3 minutes with him is impossible. I thought Jagr had the chance to make the obvious play to Whitney a few times but looked for something different.

 

Asking way too much from Whitney and probably asking too much from Josefson if you only give him 6-7 minutes tomorrow before Pete inevitably goes back to Zubrus on the top line.


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Posted 25 January 2014 - 02:05 PM

I just hope Josefson flukes out 2 assists tomorrow which should buy him 5 games on that line.


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Posted 25 January 2014 - 02:07 PM

Finally Josefson plays! Maybe that awesome preseason line can reunite, josefson-elias-brunner. I thought Whitney sucked last night, but who knows after a few games under his belt.


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