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#881 thefiestygoat

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 06:13 PM

That's fine, but don't expect the team to be much better with whatever return we get, or whoever replaces him from within.

He's not really the problem with the team. When you're among the best in the league in goals against and shots against, all six of your defenseman must be doing something right.

I guess you could say it would make room for Larsson or Gelinas, which will help the offense. But probably not enough to change the fact that the team will often be required to give up only 1 goal a game to get 2 points.


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In Lou We Trust had a great piece today about how awesome Salvador has been defensively. He's definitely pulling his weight and making his team better when he's on the ice.


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Posted 04 February 2014 - 06:34 PM

All I know is that we need Gelinas back up here.


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Posted 04 February 2014 - 06:51 PM

In Lou We Trust had a great piece today about how awesome Salvador has been defensively. He's definitely pulling his weight and making his team better when he's on the ice.

 

Good thing I wasn't too lazy to click on the link this time, although I sensed something was awry.

 

In any event, I wasn't trying to say that Salvador is the bees knees.  It's just that getting rid of him won't change the team's fortunes all that much, and certainly not for the remainder of this year, unless the return is an absolute fleecing. 

 

And as I read the ILWT article, it just says that he's the worse defenseman on the team.  Even if it's true (for example, let's assume that the shot attempts against on the ice while he's on the ice is purely a product of his stinkiness), the Devils are the best, or among the best, in the league in shots against.  So unless there's something that says that replacing Salvador with Larsson, Gelinas or Harrold would reduce the shots against significantly, then his poor play relative to everyone else on the team is neither here nor there.  I kind of doubt that anyone could reliably make that prediction, since it's very hard to get much better at shot prevention than the Devils are now, especially when you factor in who a realistic replacement would be.

 

I suppose you could squeeze out a little more offense with Larsson or Gelinas.  And even if you assume that Larsson isn't a sure bet to have two bad defensive zone turnovers every game, the Devils defense is not all of the sudden going to turn into something that is historically good, which is kind of what a team that can't score at all will need to have any kind of success.

 

I get it, where the Devils are at right now, they need to squeeze everything out of their roster as they possibly can.  But if that's the state of the team, the problems go way way beyond Salvador.


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Posted 04 February 2014 - 06:57 PM

Loktionov is getting a chance on the top line.  I have no problem with this.

 

Zubrus - Loktionov - Jagr

Elias - Zajac - Brunner

Clowe - Henrique - Ryder

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 07:17 PM

Loktionov is getting a chance on the top line. I have no problem with this.

Zubrus - Loktionov - Jagr
Elias - Zajac - Brunner
Clowe - Henrique - Ryder
Carter - Gionta - Bernier

I actually like those lines a lot.


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Posted 04 February 2014 - 07:42 PM

Jagr isn't happy with the changes but I can't blame Pete. He needs to try something to get some guys going. Lokti has some speed, Elias and Brunner need some room and possesion. Zajac should help that. It is what it is.


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Posted 04 February 2014 - 08:12 PM

Jagr isn't happy with the changes but I can't blame Pete. He needs to try something to get some guys going. Lokti has some speed, Elias and Brunner need some room and possesion. Zajac should help that. It is what it is.

 

Agreed.


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Posted 04 February 2014 - 10:36 PM

Loktionov is getting a chance on the top line.  I have no problem with this.

 

Zubrus - Loktionov - Jagr

Elias - Zajac - Brunner

Clowe - Henrique - Ryder

Carter - Gionta - Bernier

 

jagr has a problem with it ;)


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Posted 04 February 2014 - 10:59 PM

We already knew he didn't listen to Jagr when he put Josefson back in witness protection right after Jagr pumped him up publicly.  Can't have the kids getting any confidence.


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Posted 04 February 2014 - 11:58 PM

We already knew he didn't listen to Jagr when he put Josefson back in witness protection right after Jagr pumped him up publicly. Can't have the kids getting any confidence.


He moved Loktionov to the top line. Response: 'Deboer hates the young players'. It's like there's just blindness about anything the coach does at this point.
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Posted 04 February 2014 - 11:59 PM

He moved Loktionov to the top line. Response: 'Deboer hates the young players'. It's like there's just blindness about anything the coach does at this point.

 

After he's scratched him for the last eight games - following by the way scoring the game-tying goal in Colorado.  Come on Tri, you know Loik's getting like ten minutes with Jagr at most and then he'll go back to purgatory.


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Posted 05 February 2014 - 12:14 AM

I like this move, it takes Jagr out of a defensive role and more to an offensive role. When you play with Zajac and Zubrus you expect to be matched against opponents top players. 


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Posted 05 February 2014 - 10:08 AM

After he's scratched him for the last eight games - following by the way scoring the game-tying goal in Colorado.  Come on Tri, you know Loik's getting like ten minutes with Jagr at most and then he'll go back to purgatory.

 

I don't know that at all. Loktionov was used plenty last year.  He needs to be better defensively but if he is playing well in that regard and contributing offensively he will be in the lineup.


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Posted 05 February 2014 - 11:32 AM

Loktionov will get one game in the lineup and regardless of how he plays we all know he will be scratched the next game and PDB will go back to the same old lines. I can feel it.


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Posted 05 February 2014 - 12:19 PM

Loktionov will get one game in the lineup and regardless of how he plays we all know he will be scratched the next game and PDB will go back to the same old lines. I can feel it.

well you're wrong already seeing as this is his 3rd straight start.
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Posted 05 February 2014 - 01:08 PM

He moved Loktionov to the top line. Response: 'Deboer hates the young players'. It's like there's just blindness about anything the coach does at this point.

 

Where he'll play for all of 10 minutes, maybe.  PDB will then throw him onto the 4th line or bench him, and go back to his familiar lines.  Just like he did with JJ.


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Posted 05 February 2014 - 01:55 PM

Where he'll play for all of 10 minutes, maybe.  PDB will then throw him onto the 4th line or bench him, and go back to his familiar lines.  Just like he did with JJ.

 

Loktionov has played in 42 games this year.  He has played most of them off the 4th line - indeed, he averages 13:31 ice time per game.  I can understand this attitude, though, because Loktionov has not done all that much with that ice time, so sometimes it can be hard to notice him.


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Posted 05 February 2014 - 05:21 PM

Where he'll play for all of 10 minutes, maybe.  PDB will then throw him onto the 4th line or bench him, and go back to his familiar lines.  Just like he did with JJ.

 

This is what bugs me.  If you're gonna make a move like that, play them for the same 17-20 minutes as a normal top line center would play.  Boucher when here was getting 12 minutes a game.


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Posted 05 February 2014 - 06:33 PM

This is what bugs me. If you're gonna make a move like that, play them for the same 17-20 minutes as a normal top line center would play. Boucher when here was getting 12 minutes a game.

this is fair so long as you understand that toi doesn't occur in a vacuum- by giving loktionov more minutes it takes away from zajac's and henrique's, and I'm jot sure that's the right thing to do. Similarly with Boucher you'd be taking minutes from clowe zubrus and elias(when he was healthy).

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Posted 05 February 2014 - 08:10 PM

this is fair so long as you understand that toi doesn't occur in a vacuum- by giving loktionov more minutes it takes away from zajac's and henrique's, and I'm jot sure that's the right thing to do. Similarly with Boucher you'd be taking minutes from clowe zubrus and elias(when he was healthy).

 

True but I don't think an additional 3-4 minutes is a huge deal.


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