Jump to content

Photo

2013-2014 Lineup/Roster Thread


  • Please log in to reply
1543 replies to this topic

#961 Mike Brown

Mike Brown

    General Manager

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,308 posts

Posted 25 February 2014 - 03:23 PM

Vanek wants to play in Minni, the trade you proposed has us basically lossing Gelinas Kinkaid and a 2nd for a guy that wants to take off to Minnesota next year.

 

Unless you have a very short memory we just lost ZP to the wild, hence my comment.

 

I would much rather trade for Moulson

 

Kinkaid + Fayne and a 2nd for moulson.

 

I doubt that would be enough since Fayne is a UFA.  Our 2015 first would need to be added. at least.


  • 0

NEW JERSEY DEVILS: 3 TIME STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS!

NEW YORK YANKEES: 27 TIME WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!

SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS: 5 TIME SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS!


#962 Devilsfan118

Devilsfan118

    Hall of Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 7,868 posts

Posted 25 February 2014 - 03:24 PM

In fairness, there's no guaranteeing Moulson sticks around next year either.


  • 0

hxMQPDl.jpg

Rutgers:  The Birthplace of College Football

First B1G Season: 8-5


#963 Sneax

Sneax

    Senior Devil

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 962 posts

Posted 25 February 2014 - 03:25 PM

I doubt that would be enough since Fayne is a UFA.  Our 2015 first would need to be added. at least.

 

 

You have a slight point I suppose, I meant to throw yayo in there as well. Moulson is also an UFA so there is that.


In fairness, there's no guaranteeing Moulson sticks around next year either.

Yea but its not going around that he wants to play in his hometown. Unlike vanek. And we would have to give up less for moulson than vanek.


Edited by Sneax, 25 February 2014 - 03:27 PM.

  • 0

#964 dmann422

dmann422

    All-Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,936 posts

Posted 27 February 2014 - 11:45 AM

Just bumping this thread as a reminder since a lot of lineup talk is happening in the oot one. Volchenkov and Harrold sitting tonight per TG.
Merrill and gelinas in to try and help create offense.
  • 0

#965 sundstrom

sundstrom

    Hall of Famer

  • Mod
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 8,510 posts

Posted 27 February 2014 - 11:49 AM

Just bumping this thread as a reminder since a lot of lineup talk is happening in the oot one. Volchenkov and Harrold sitting tonight per TG.
Merrill and gelinas in to try and help create offense.

 

glad that sal gets to stay - he created offense in the playoffs 2 years ago for 6 games.


  • 1

"This team was never the same once we lost Patrik Sundstrom"- Lou Lamoriello

 

sundstrom jersey signature
 

_________________________________________________________________
“They’re the ones that makes it happen,” Lemaire said. “It’s not us. It’s not me. It’s not the other guy. It’s not the guy before. It’s not the guy after. It’s them. And they have to take care of business.”
-
"I guess I just miss my friend" (#28)


#966 Triumph

Triumph

    A Legend

  • Mod
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 28,997 posts

Posted 27 February 2014 - 11:54 AM

Salvador's the captain of course he's going to stay.  Volchenkov out is a good sign going forward.


  • 0

http://drivingplay.blogspot.com - The blog with three first lines
 


#967 dmann422

dmann422

    All-Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,936 posts

Posted 27 February 2014 - 11:59 AM

glad that sal gets to stay - he created offense in the playoffs 2 years ago for 6 games.

meh, I think sal and Volch are pretty much on the same level, sal gets more hate because he a) is the captain and b) gets more toi.

I'd prefer both sit for Larsson and Merrill. Also I didn't look at TG's lines but I'm assuming Merrill is the one playing the right side with gelinas on the left.

Edited by dmann422, 27 February 2014 - 11:59 AM.

  • 0

#968 thefiestygoat

thefiestygoat

    A Legend

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 12,670 posts

Posted 27 February 2014 - 12:49 PM

I'm going to be frustrated if Volchenkov sitting out becomes a regular occurence while Salvador still gets to play. That damn C unfortunately.
 
I am pleased to see Merrill and Gelinas in with DeBoer's boy Harrold sitting though. I also like the move to have Henrique on the wing with Elias and Brunner as well as Loktionov inbetween Clowe and Ryder if TG's expected lines are correct.

  • 0

RIP Pat Burns -- RIP Alexander Vasyunov and Lokomotiv Yaroslavl
Winner of the 2008 Sergei Brylin Award for Most Underrated Poster
Co-Winner of the 2011 Scott Bertoli Award for Best Minor League Poster, Winner of the 2012 Scott Bertoli Award


#969 Daniel

Daniel

    Hall of Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,607 posts

Posted 27 February 2014 - 01:00 PM

 

I'm going to be frustrated if Volchenkov sitting out becomes a regular occurence while Salvador still gets to play. That damn C unfortunately.
 
 

 

 

 

Maybe we'll be lucky, and it's Lou's way of showcasing Salvador and pretending that he's still a top defenseman in a great defensive unit.  And we may get luckier still that Salvador actually plays well for the next couple of games. 


  • 0
Posted Image
I collect spores, molds and fungus.
Hello fellow American. This you should vote me. I leave power. Good. Thank you, thank you. If you vote me, I'm hot. What? Taxes, they'll be lower... son. The Democratic vote is the right thing to do Philadelphia, so do.
How do you spot risk? How do you avoid risk? And what makes it so risky?

#970 MantaRay

MantaRay

    A Legend

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 15,653 posts

Posted 27 February 2014 - 01:01 PM

The only team that has benefited from Vanek has been Buffalo in trading him away.  They are getting a fantastic return for him from the Islanders and will get even more when they deal Moulsen.   

 

Tim Murray is going to make the Sabres a contender in the next few years.


  • 0
I was wrong to ever doubt the powers of Lou Lamoriello.
IN LOU WE TRUST @Manta04


Posted Image

#971 dmann422

dmann422

    All-Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,936 posts

Posted 27 February 2014 - 01:49 PM

The only team that has benefited from Vanek has been Buffalo in trading him away. They are getting a fantastic return for him from the Islanders and will get even more when they deal Moulsen.

Tim Murray is going to make the Sabres a contender in the next few years.

correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't regier still gm when vanek was traded? Also I think buffalo is at least 3 years away especially if they trade miller.
  • 0

#972 sundstrom

sundstrom

    Hall of Famer

  • Mod
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 8,510 posts

Posted 27 February 2014 - 03:39 PM

Salvador's the captain of course he's going to stay.  Volchenkov out is a good sign going forward.

 

if you want to say it's a good sign because the devils are giving the kids a shot or because they only need one of sal/anton in the lineup, i'll begrudgingly agree to your statement. but sal fvcking sucks and is clearly the least effective defenseman on this team.

 

 

I'm going to be frustrated if Volchenkov sitting out becomes a regular occurence while Salvador still gets to play. That damn C unfortunately.
 

 

 

you will not be the only one. his play has not warranted being a healthy scratch while salvador's clearly has but alas - screaming at the rain.


  • 0

"This team was never the same once we lost Patrik Sundstrom"- Lou Lamoriello

 

sundstrom jersey signature
 

_________________________________________________________________
“They’re the ones that makes it happen,” Lemaire said. “It’s not us. It’s not me. It’s not the other guy. It’s not the guy before. It’s not the guy after. It’s them. And they have to take care of business.”
-
"I guess I just miss my friend" (#28)


#973 devilsrule33

devilsrule33

    A Legend

  • Mod
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 12,842 posts

Posted 27 February 2014 - 04:07 PM

if you want to say it's a good sign because the devils are giving the kids a shot or because they only need one of sal/anton in the lineup, i'll begrudgingly agree to your statement. but sal fvcking sucks and is clearly the least effective defenseman on this team.

 

 

you will not be the only one. his play has not warranted being a healthy scratch while salvador's clearly has but alas - screaming at the rain.

 

What sucks is the complete BS praise Deboer gives (forced to give, probably) Sal, but I haven't heard any compliments coming Volch's way. He has been very solid and much more valuable than Salvador.

 

Edit: I mean I completely understand what Deboer has to do, but there is another veteran defenseman that brings everything you praise Sal for and more, and he is sitting.


Edited by devilsrule33, 27 February 2014 - 04:23 PM.

  • 0

"The Stanley Cup has fallen from the Stars. The new millennium has its first Stanley Cup Champion, and it's the New Jersey Devils." Mike Miller calling the Devils winning the Stanley Cup.

"It goes to the captain and then there are handoffs during a skate around the ice" Mike Emrick as Scott Stevens is being presented the Stanley Cup.


#974 Triumph

Triumph

    A Legend

  • Mod
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 28,997 posts

Posted 27 February 2014 - 05:05 PM

I don't think Volchenkov has been 'very solid' - he's been a passable 3rd pairing D who helps out on the PK.  I mean yeah Salvador is a tire fire and I hope the layoff has helped him some but I doubt it.

 

Going forward, the team cannot have both of these guys next year.  They just have too many better defensemen.


  • 0

http://drivingplay.blogspot.com - The blog with three first lines
 


#975 thefiestygoat

thefiestygoat

    A Legend

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 12,670 posts

Posted 27 February 2014 - 05:15 PM

I don't think Volchenkov has been 'very solid' - he's been a passable 3rd pairing D who helps out on the PK.  I mean yeah Salvador is a tire fire and I hope the layoff has helped him some but I doubt it.

 

Going forward, the team cannot have both of these guys next year.  They just have too many better defensemen.

Is it fair to say that if DeBoer is back next year then Volchenkov gets the compliance buyout? Yeah, Lou has final say but I get the impression that Salvador is one of DeBoer's favorites and having him with 1 year left as opposed to 2 for Volchenkov could factor into it. Volchenkov has the higher cap hit too (not that the cap is an issue for the Devils). 


  • 0

RIP Pat Burns -- RIP Alexander Vasyunov and Lokomotiv Yaroslavl
Winner of the 2008 Sergei Brylin Award for Most Underrated Poster
Co-Winner of the 2011 Scott Bertoli Award for Best Minor League Poster, Winner of the 2012 Scott Bertoli Award


#976 sundstrom

sundstrom

    Hall of Famer

  • Mod
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 8,510 posts

Posted 27 February 2014 - 05:15 PM

I don't think Volchenkov has been 'very solid' - he's been a passable 3rd pairing D who helps out on the PK.  I mean yeah Salvador is a tire fire and I hope the layoff has helped him some but I doubt it.

 

Going forward, the team cannot have both of these guys next year.  They just have too many better defensemen.

 

totally fair. and again, my bias is making this unfair.

 

i suppose saying that, on its face, where two defensemen are similar, and one has one year left at $3.1MM while the other has two at $4.2 and isn't the captain, you take the one with one year left.

 

but sal is such fvcking hot garbage while volchenkov is totally fine for what he does aggravates me to no end.


  • 0

"This team was never the same once we lost Patrik Sundstrom"- Lou Lamoriello

 

sundstrom jersey signature
 

_________________________________________________________________
“They’re the ones that makes it happen,” Lemaire said. “It’s not us. It’s not me. It’s not the other guy. It’s not the guy before. It’s not the guy after. It’s them. And they have to take care of business.”
-
"I guess I just miss my friend" (#28)


#977 sundstrom

sundstrom

    Hall of Famer

  • Mod
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 8,510 posts

Posted 27 February 2014 - 05:17 PM

Is it fair to say that if DeBoer is back next year then Volchenkov gets the compliance buyout? Yeah, Lou has final say but I get the impression that Salvador is one of DeBoer's favorites and having him with 1 year left as opposed to 2 for Volchenkov could factor into it. Volchenkov has the higher cap hit too (not that the cap is an issue for the Devils). 

 

unfortunately, i don't think it matters who is the coach. the only way, i think anton doesn't get bought out (or moved) is if lou continues with his "i like a logjam defense" roster strategy.

 

that being said, there is certainly a scenario where both are here next year:

 

greene-larsson

gelinas-merrill

volchenkov-salvador

harrold

 

zidlicky and fayne are both UFA. the other 7 are not.


  • 0

"This team was never the same once we lost Patrik Sundstrom"- Lou Lamoriello

 

sundstrom jersey signature
 

_________________________________________________________________
“They’re the ones that makes it happen,” Lemaire said. “It’s not us. It’s not me. It’s not the other guy. It’s not the guy before. It’s not the guy after. It’s them. And they have to take care of business.”
-
"I guess I just miss my friend" (#28)


#978 MantaRay

MantaRay

    A Legend

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 15,653 posts

Posted 27 February 2014 - 05:20 PM

correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't regier still gm when vanek was traded? Also I think buffalo is at least 3 years away especially if they trade miller.

 

I don't know and its not even relevant who the GM was at the time.  They fleeced the Islanders and Moulsen and Miller will provide alot of quality picks to build from.   Murray is an excellent talent evaluator.  I would say in two years the Sabres will be very competitive.


  • 0
I was wrong to ever doubt the powers of Lou Lamoriello.
IN LOU WE TRUST @Manta04


Posted Image

#979 dmann422

dmann422

    All-Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,936 posts

Posted 27 February 2014 - 05:52 PM

unfortunately, i don't think it matters who is the coach. the only way, i think anton doesn't get bought out (or moved) is if lou continues with his "i like a logjam defense" roster strategy.
 
that being said, there is certainly a scenario where both are here next year:
 
greene-larsson
gelinas-merrill
volchenkov-salvador
harrold
 
zidlicky and fayne are both UFA. the other 7 are not.

  I don't think buying out volch would be a Lou thing to do. And the more I think about it the more I think zidlicky might be back next year (unfortunately IMO).

I don't know and its not even relevant who the GM was at the time.  They fleeced the Islanders and Moulsen and Miller will provide alot of quality picks to build from.   Murray is an excellent talent evaluator.  I would say in two years the Sabres will be very competitive.

no doubt it was a great trade, especially if the islanders fall on their face again next year and they get a top 10 pick, but a lot of that roster will have to be rehauled before they can be any sort of a cup contender.
  • 0

#980 thefiestygoat

thefiestygoat

    A Legend

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 12,670 posts

Posted 27 February 2014 - 05:52 PM

I don't know and its not even relevant who the GM was at the time.  They fleeced the Islanders and Moulsen and Miller will provide alot of quality picks to build from.   Murray is an excellent talent evaluator.  I would say in two years the Sabres will be very competitive.

I'm not knocking Murray but Regier deserves some credit for when the turn around happens. He's the one who completed the Vanek trade and left Murray with an excellent prospect group (ranked 3rd by Hockey Prospectus). He also got Murray another asset to trade away in Moulson. He could have left the organization a lot worse off than he did. 


  • 0

RIP Pat Burns -- RIP Alexander Vasyunov and Lokomotiv Yaroslavl
Winner of the 2008 Sergei Brylin Award for Most Underrated Poster
Co-Winner of the 2011 Scott Bertoli Award for Best Minor League Poster, Winner of the 2012 Scott Bertoli Award





0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users