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#1121 Daniel

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 10:01 PM

How the hell would he be confident in signing him when A) technically he can't even talk contract until this summer, and B) he's not getting his shot here. You can't just ask the guy to wait till he's 30 to take the reins. He wants to build his own legacy.


I don't dispute that some of this is a Lou influence but this is the same Pete that cited win/loss record as his excuse for keeping Cam in the lineup.


Actually they can talk contract whenever they want, and for all we know they may have already. A deal just can't be signed until a certain point, which I'm not sure has passed yet. Lou knows what he gave up to obtain Schneider, and he did it for the exact reason that he understood that Marty was not a long term solution, or even a solution beyond the time his contract expires. The fact that Pete is giving too many starts to Marty bothers me because it makes a playoff berth this year that much less likely. I just dont think that Cory will be somehow offended by it when it comes to him deciding whether or not to sign a long term deal.

And Cam was in the lineup for what 15 games. I don't think you can glean anything from that.


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Posted 10 March 2014 - 10:58 PM

The thing that's frustrating is how many times we've seen this play out during the year.  If Brodeur only had 20 starts, it wouldn't be as bad.  But time and time again it's Brodeur wins a 4-3 or 5-4 game so he gets the next one.  And people wonder why this team can't get on winning streaks.


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Posted 10 March 2014 - 11:07 PM

The thing that's frustrating is how many times we've seen this play out during the year. If Brodeur only had 20 starts, it wouldn't be as bad. But time and time again it's Brodeur wins a 4-3 or 5-4 game so he gets the next one. And people wonder why this team can't get on winning streaks.


Don't have the inclination to look at it, but I seem to recall that it used to be he would get consecutive starts when he would win games while either giving up 2 or fewer goals, or if it were more, the goals were of the you can't do much about it sort. What makes his start against Philly disconcerting is that he wasn't that good against Carolina.


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Posted 10 March 2014 - 11:10 PM

So many interesting/hilarious comments from Schneider and Brodeur in TG's column today:

 

 

“I always said that if I play 70 games a year my stats will show up to be in the top 10 of everything,” Brodeur said. “If I don’t play 70 games, I’ve got to win games. That’s what I always said. You guys were the first ones when I started the season and my goals-against average was four-point-something, and it was like, ‘What’s going on?’ My answer was, ‘Talk to me when we’re done with the season.’ Usually, it evens out when you play a lot, for me anyway. - See more at: http://blogs.northje...h.pjZEwObV.dpuf

 

Does he not get how stats work? The only thing he can't control is the win total when you don't play a ton of games. But 10, 20, 30, 40 games, if you are playing well your averages and percentages will show. Games played has nothing to do it. And since he started playing more, his GAA and save percentage have not improved. Does he think giving up 7 goals in 2 games is going to improve any of that?

 

Is that what he's always said...really? You need to play 70 games to get into the top 10? That's not how it works.

 

 

Whether it’s a 40-save shutout or a train wreck where you give up six or seven, I think that’s part of the evolution of being a starting goalie,” Schneider said. “You’ve got to come back in and be as good as you can be the next night whether it went well the night before or not. That’s part of the psyche you have to develop as a starting goalie. I know Marty’s done it for 20 years now and has gotten very good at it. I don’t know how many train wrecks he’s had in his career, though. I’m sure it’s far fewer than most other guys, but, for me, that’s something that I’m looking forward to getting to at some point.

“Last year, I was playing a lot in Vancouver down the stretch and I think there was a game where I gave up the first two shots in Edmonton and got pulled and they put me back in the next game and I felt good and I was right back where I was. So, it’s something that you learn with experience and something you need to have.”

- See more at: http://blogs.northje...h.pjZEwObV.dpuf

 

Oh Cory, great story about last year, but on this team...you'll never get a chance to get right back in there after a bad game...unless the offense scores 5 goals for you, and because you won, we pretend that you were solid and not fvcking awful.


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Posted 11 March 2014 - 12:21 AM

Brodeur thinks that if you play him more he plays better.  That's really what he thinks, so that's why he didn't get a shot at team Canada - he didn't play enough!  


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Posted 11 March 2014 - 06:03 AM

Good Lord Marty, the Devils won your last two starts in spite of you, not because of you. 

 

It's scary how delusional he sounds lately...I keep thinking he can't possibly be this oblivious as to what his current skill level is, but he still thinks it's 2003.  Does he still really think he could start 70 games and be successful, if only he was given the chance?   

 

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Posted 11 March 2014 - 07:00 AM

Marty seems to stick his foot in his mouth damn near every time he opens it these days. 70 games, get the fvck outta here with that. Marty needs to shut the fvck up. Just be quiet please.


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Posted 11 March 2014 - 07:23 AM

Good Lord Marty, the Devils won your last two starts in spite of you, not because of you. 

 

It's scary how delusional he sounds lately...I keep thinking he can't possibly be this oblivious as to what his current skill level is, but he still thinks it's 2003.  Does he still really think he could start 70 games and be successful, if only he was given the chance?   

 

Please retire at the end of the year. 

 

More like please let him walk.  There's no way in hell he's going to retire with quotes like these, he's going to have to be dragged out.


Hate to say it but I wish we could have a mulligan on not trading him.


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Posted 11 March 2014 - 07:40 AM

Good Lord Marty, the Devils won your last two starts in spite of you, not because of you. 

 

It's scary how delusional he sounds lately...I keep thinking he can't possibly be this oblivious as to what his current skill level is, but he still thinks it's 2003.  Does he still really think he could start 70 games and be successful, if only he was given the chance?   

 

Please retire at the end of the year. 

 

so you still think the media are cherry picking his quotes and making it sound worst than it is? 

 

that his quotes/interviews are short or long... it seems pretty damn consistant to me.


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Posted 11 March 2014 - 07:47 AM

so you still think the media are cherry picking his quotes and making it sound worst than it is? 

 

that his quotes/interviews are short or long... it seems pretty damn consistant to me.

 

So if I respond to this does it mean I'm obsessed with you?

 

I never said that about the media, re:  cherry-picking.  I said there were definitely some FANS doing that for a while (picking apart his quotes to make him look bad), and I think some fans were definitely not fair to him in the past.  I also said that I felt that he was being honest, and I was OK with that for a while, but now I'd really like him to stop, and I think a lot of people who have firmly been in Marty's camp feel the same way at this point.  He'll get a pass on "that's what makes the greats great" for only so long, but his quotes are sadly becoming more comical by the day.     


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Posted 11 March 2014 - 08:07 AM

So if I respond to this does it mean I'm obsessed with you?

 

I never said that about the media, re:  cherry-picking.  I said there were definitely some FANS doing that for a while (picking apart his quotes to make him look bad), and I think some fans were definitely not fair to him in the past.  I also said that I felt that he was being honest, and I was OK with that for a while, but now I'd really like him to stop, and I think a lot of people who have firmly been in Marty's camp feel the same way at this point.  He'll get a pass on "that's what makes the greats great" for only so long, but his quotes are sadly becoming more comical by the day.     

 

at this point i'm absolutely sure Brodeur knew all along what he was doing through the media, 100%. It was not about "honesty" or wtv. Of course he's honest cause he really think what he's saying but he knows he's putting pressure on the organization to give him more starts and all, it's pretty damn clear now.

 

Now i might be pushing but Marty might be one of those guys that seems so freaging class and everything (i still think he is) but a big chunk of it is cause everything has been going so well for him his whole career (it was deserved too) but so many guys are like that, it's when you go through hard times that you see people's true colours, anyone who played sports long enough knows that too. When things go well there's no point of pointing fingers or bitching about this and that. And i mean, we saw through the years that Marty is ALWAYS pointing fingers, it's never his fault. 

 

I still love Marty and he's the reason i've been a Devils fans since im 8 years old but still, he should keep his mouth shut.


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Posted 11 March 2014 - 09:10 AM

I'd like to think all goalies would do better if they played 65-70 games than 15-20, but the main thing is...you should be a very good goalie to warrant that. I hate the idea that Brodeur needs any amount of games to get going because he had success doing that back in the day. A few things:

 

1) Who knows if Brodeur playing 72 games was optimal. It was done and he was good, but whose to say from 99-08, he'd be better suited playing 55-65 games? His best statistical was in 96-97, when he played the least amount of his career (doesn't include injured seasons)

 

2) He is 42 in less than two months. What was good for you in 2000 is different than in 2014

 

3) Even if you did need 70 games to be at your best, there is a goalie behind you that is better than you...no matter how many games you played


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Posted 11 March 2014 - 09:56 AM

Yeah there's no way Marty's retiring after this year - you can tell from his quotes that he definitely thinks he's still a capable starting goalie.  It's kinda unsettling..he's fully delusional - that quote about statistics evening out if he plays 70 games is downright scary.

 

Wins are not the stat goalies should be judged by Marty, it's their SV%.  He's stopping less than 90% of the shots he faces, which is downright awful.

 

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Posted 11 March 2014 - 10:02 AM

This board is way too hard on Brodeur.  He's the face of the franchise, it's not like he's begging for the attention, he simply gets the attention because he is the face and has been for over 20 years.  I don't see it as whiny and I don't see him "pressuring" the organization.  How can you be fans of a "team-first" franchise and allow one player to "pressure" the team.  He's a GODDAMN PROFESSIONAL ATHLETE simply stating that he wants to play more.  There is nothing wrong with that.  Just because a player says he wants something damn sure doesn't mean he going to get it.  The recently posted interview with TG he is trying to defend himself and his stats.  I agree that its not easy to defend his current stats, but what is he going to say, "Yeah, my stats suck"  I see nothing wrong with him arguing that his stats would normally average out as the season goes on. 


You cannot have a team-first mentality, and then go around accusing Brodeur of pressuring the team.  He's one player and he realizes that.  Brodeur has always had a winning is the most important stat mentality and in fact, in my years of following the team, he has never talked about the other stats until now.


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Posted 11 March 2014 - 10:09 AM

This board is way too hard on Brodeur.  He's the face of the franchise, it's not like he's begging for the attention, he simply gets the attention because he is the face and has been for over 20 years.  I don't see it as whiny and I don't see him "pressuring" the organization.  How can you be fans of a "team-first" franchise and allow one player to "pressure" the team.  He's a GODDAMN PROFESSIONAL ATHLETE simply stating that he wants to play more.  There is nothing wrong with that.  Just because a player says he wants something damn sure doesn't mean he going to get it.  The recently posted interview with TG he is trying to defend himself and his stats.  I agree that its not easy to defend his current stats, but what is he going to say, "Yeah, I'm not playing my best hockey right now."  I see nothing wrong with him arguing that his stats would normally average out as the season goes on. 


You cannot have a team-first mentality, and then go around accusing Brodeur of pressuring the team.  He's one player and he realizes that.

 

i dont agree, plus tell me our coach or GM has NOT look at the name on the back when deciding who's in net all season long? Brodeur CERTAINLY got a special treatment there


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Posted 11 March 2014 - 10:23 AM

i dont agree, plus tell me our coach or GM has NOT look at the name on the back when deciding who's in net all season long? Brodeur CERTAINLY got a special treatment there

That's how the business world works sometime, the person with more experience gets special treatment.  I'm not saying it's right, but I'm not going to sit here, bitch, and point the finger at Brodeur for simply wanting to play his sport.  We shouldn't be wasting time bitching and moaning when Schneider is clearly our starter, now and in the future.


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Posted 11 March 2014 - 10:30 AM

That's how the business world works sometime, the person with more experience gets special treatment.  I'm not saying it's right, but I'm not going to sit here, bitch, and point the finger at Brodeur for simply wanting to play his sport.  We shouldn't be wasting time bitching and moaning when Schneider is clearly our starter, now and in the future.

 

How is Schneider clearly the starter?  After tonight, Brodeur will have started 32 games, Schneider 34.  That doesn't seem clear to me, and given NJ's inability to divorce themselves from Brodeur, it doesn't seem like it's clear in the future either.

 

Brodeur can complain about playing time all he wants.  He doesn't deserve more playing time.  He deserves much less.  And if his preferred destinations really did include Pittsburgh and Los Angeles, as Chris Stevenson reported on deadline day, he's utterly lost his mind.  If he's the face of the franchise, it's a franchise content to miss the playoffs to serve one man.


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Posted 11 March 2014 - 10:50 AM

Thankfully, Volch is back in.

 

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Posted 11 March 2014 - 11:28 AM

That's how the business world works sometime, the person with more experience gets special treatment.  I'm not saying it's right, but I'm not going to sit here, bitch, and point the finger at Brodeur for simply wanting to play his sport.  We shouldn't be wasting time bitching and moaning when Schneider is clearly our starter, now and in the future.

 

yeah but that goes for all athlete minus a few who are all set playing top minutes.

 

And no it's not bitching at Brodeur wanting to play his sport. It feels like bitching about a little rich girl whining cause she got a porsche  911 instead of a Ferrari for her birthday. Or bitching about that little girl who's not happy cause she's not getting anything on her sister's bday or something.

 

Schneider CLEARLY deserves more than 50.9% of the starts this season, and thats pretty much what he got, yet Brodeur wants more, so yeah. Thats saying he wants to play more than the best goalie, that's pretty selfish and not in the best interest of the team at all. On top of bringing up that he'd accept a trade anywhere. Not a team attitude at all.


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Posted 11 March 2014 - 05:32 PM

I don't think that the Devils are catering to Brodeur's ego, as many believe.  The fact that he says that wins are the most important stat in HIS mind is a team-first mentality.  He never said that he would accept a trade anywhere.  He simply stated that he has some control/say in where he may end up, is not going against the team mentality.  I didn't realize that Brodeur had received so many starts. 

Also, in response to Triumph, you cannot guarantee that the Devils would be in a better position had Schneider had say, even ten more starts than Brodeur with the way the team has played.  And simply blaming one person(Brodeur) for missing the playoffs is not catering to this team-first mentality.  Actually, blaming just Brodeur for the Devils missing the playoffs is asinine. 

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