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#1141 '7'

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Posted 11 March 2014 - 05:43 PM

I don't think that the Devils are catering to Brodeur's ego, as many believe.  The fact that he says that wins are the most important stat in HIS mind is a team-first mentality.  He never said that he would accept a trade anywhere.  He simply stated that he has some control/say in where he may end up, is not going against the team mentality.  I didn't realize that Brodeur had received so many starts. 

Also, in response to Triumph, you cannot guarantee that the Devils would be in a better position had Schneider had say, even ten more starts than Brodeur. 

 

If you look at the numbers when it comes to stopping pucks...yes they do suggest the Devils would be in a better position had he played more

 

The Devils have bailed Brodeur out a lot this year. He is a .898 goaltender who get 3+ goals a game of support. If you switch goal support...Brodeur would have fewer than 10 years. They win in spite of him most times. It's just dumb luck.

 

Brodeur has cost this team points this year. Calgary, Edmonton, the outdoor game, the Blue Jacket gag job in mid December. He blew a 4-1 lead to a bad team Saturday night and he was bailed out. He blew multiple leads to Detroit right before the deadline...and they bailed him out. Schneider was great against the Capitals. We scored 0 for him

 

To be honest if you're getting 3+ goals a game of support, 16-11-4 is not that good. You'd expect at least 19-8-4 with that kind of help


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Posted 12 March 2014 - 10:25 PM

Volchenkov is really better than Salvador, and younger at that. We'll see how the season finishes, but I imagine Lou uses the amnesty on one of them. An interesting scenario would be getting rid of Sal, re-signing Fayne and Zidlicky, and trading Larsson, perhaps for Evander Kane or Edmonton's first round pick if they're not in a position to draft Ekblad, who I would assume they would rather have than Larsson. That leaves you with a defense of Greene, Merrill, Volchenkov, Zidlicky, Fayne, Gelinas and a cheap dependable defenseman to step in for Gelinas if need be (could be Harrold). After his deal is over, you can reasonably hope that Santini can replace Volchenkov, and that Severson can eventually replace Zidlicky, or Fayne. In the meantime, we would either be getting immediate forward help for Larsson, or perhaps a very good forward prospect.

Just throwing it out there, but something's gotta give.


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Posted 12 March 2014 - 10:27 PM

I just fear Adam Larsson is gonna go the Nino Niederreiter route.  I hope not, but if he keeps getting treated this way, I can definitely see it.


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Posted 12 March 2014 - 11:02 PM

Volchenkov is really better than Salvador, and younger at that. We'll see how the season finishes, but I imagine Lou uses the amnesty on one of them. An interesting scenario would be getting rid of Sal, re-signing Fayne and Zidlicky, and trading Larsson, perhaps for Evander Kane or Edmonton's first round pick if they're not in a position to draft Ekblad, who I would assume they would rather have than Larsson. That leaves you with a defense of Greene, Merrill, Volchenkov, Zidlicky, Fayne, Gelinas and a cheap dependable defenseman to step in for Gelinas if need be (could be Harrold). After his deal is over, you can reasonably hope that Santini can replace Volchenkov, and that Severson can eventually replace Zidlicky, or Fayne. In the meantime, we would either be getting immediate forward help for Larsson, or perhaps a very good forward prospect.

Just throwing it out there, but something's gotta give.


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There's no way the Devils can get anything like that for Adam Larsson.  Evander Kane is a star.  Adam Larsson's going to be a good player and I don't think we've seen the last of him this year, but you're not going to get someone like Evander Kane for him.


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Posted 12 March 2014 - 11:18 PM

IMO, the reason we haven't traded Larsson is because there is no value in doing so. At this point there is no one he can bring here that will be more beneficial to the team than having a young defenseman who still has plenty of time to turn into a good player.


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Posted 12 March 2014 - 11:19 PM

There's no way the Devils can get anything like that for Adam Larsson. Evander Kane is a star. Adam Larsson's going to be a good player and I don't think we've seen the last of him this year, but you're not going to get someone like Evander Kane for him.


Kane had the 30 goal year a few years ago, but he's always has been significantly less than a point a game. He's no more a star than Van Riemsdyke, who got dealt for less. Plus, there are always grumblings out of Winnipeg about attitude issues.

So far as Edmonton, they've made it clear that their first round pick is in play, and they need defensemen in the worst way. The top of the draft figures to have Ekblad, and then a whole bunch of forwards.




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Posted 12 March 2014 - 11:51 PM

Kane had the 30 goal year a few years ago, but he's always has been significantly less than a point a game. He's no more a star than Van Riemsdyke, who got dealt for less. Plus, there are always grumblings out of Winnipeg about attitude issues.

So far as Edmonton, they've made it clear that their first round pick is in play, and they need defensemen in the worst way. The top of the draft figures to have Ekblad, and then a whole bunch of forwards.




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But you discount the Flyers being dumb and not realizing Schenn was garbage like everyone in Toronto did. Aside from maybe Richards and Carter if Couturier can ever learn to score, who have the Flyers traded away and gotten equal value for? Also, JVR was always hurt and was paid for basically half a season of awesome play. He wasn't this in Philly 


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Posted 12 March 2014 - 11:58 PM

But you discount the Flyers being dumb and not realizing Schenn was garbage like everyone in Toronto did. Aside from maybe Richards and Carter if Couturier can ever learn to score, who have the Flyers traded away and gotten equal value for?


Has Winnipeg's management proven to be geniuses, and when was the last time that franchise made the playoffs?

And ultimately the Flyers did pretty well in the Carter deal, if only by virtue of getting Vorachek. And otherwise, no one was complaining about the Richards and Carter deals when the Flyers destroyed the Penguins in the 2012 playoffs, and actually finished the regular season better than the Devils. Carter was pretty ineffective in Columbus, and it wasn't like LA was a crappy team before Richards and Carter got there.


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 12:07 AM

They wouldn't have made the playoffs without Carter. They were like a bubble team till they got him.

Has Winnipeg's management proven to be geniuses, and when was the last time that franchise made the playoffs?

And ultimately the Flyers did pretty well in the Carter deal, if only by virtue of getting Vorachek. And otherwise, no one was complaining about the Richards and Carter deals when the Flyers destroyed the Penguins in the 2012 playoffs, and actually finished the regular season better than the Devils. Carter was pretty ineffective in Columbus, and it wasn't like LA was a crappy team before Richards and Carter got there.


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 07:35 AM

not related to previous discussions but i really think Zids role on the team is undervalued. Yeah he's ALWAYS taking bad penalties and he's pretty slow but damn he's be bringing up the puck and making great creative plays in the offensive zone. Honestly without him im not sure where the devils would be.

 

And this is not simply based on last game. He brings a dimension that no other dmen on the team can bring so far. I really hope we re-sign him for next season. I'd want to see Harrold and Salvador gone next season


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 08:55 AM

Volchenkov is really better than Salvador, and younger at that. We'll see how the season finishes, but I imagine Lou uses the amnesty on one of them. An interesting scenario would be getting rid of Sal, re-signing Fayne and Zidlicky, and trading Larsson, perhaps for Evander Kane or Edmonton's first round pick if they're not in a position to draft Ekblad, who I would assume they would rather have than Larsson. That leaves you with a defense of Greene, Merrill, Volchenkov, Zidlicky, Fayne, Gelinas and a cheap dependable defenseman to step in for Gelinas if need be (could be Harrold). After his deal is over, you can reasonably hope that Santini can replace Volchenkov, and that Severson can eventually replace Zidlicky, or Fayne. In the meantime, we would either be getting immediate forward help for Larsson, or perhaps a very good forward prospect.

Just throwing it out there, but something's gotta give.


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I honestly think fayne is gone this offseason and we re-sign zidlicky. Fayne will be one of the most sought after ufa defenseman on July 1, so there will be a bidding war, and it might just be in Lou's best interest to let him go rather than pay over $4mil per and still have a logjam on the right side with trouble finding a spot for Larsson.

The alternative would be to amnesty Volch or sal like you said and use that space on fayne's raise but I just don't see Lou doing that.

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 10:32 AM

They wouldn't have made the playoffs without Carter. They were like a bubble team till they got him.

 

LA had been underachieving and got new life when they fired their coach.  Don't get me wrong, Carter helped the Kings a lot.  But you can't really characterize him as an elite player that made a bad team a Stanley Cup winner.  But the point otherwise was that Philly did not really get fleeced in the Carter deal, or really the Richards deal for that matter.   


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 11:04 AM

I honestly think fayne is gone this offseason and we re-sign zidlicky. Fayne will be one of the most sought after ufa defenseman on July 1, so there will be a bidding war, and it might just be in Lou's best interest to let him go rather than pay over $4mil per and still have a logjam on the right side with trouble finding a spot for Larsson.

The alternative would be to amnesty Volch or sal like you said and use that space on fayne's raise but I just don't see Lou doing that.

I could see this happening, at least a bidding war for Fayne, but I can't see Lou going over 3.5 on Fayne.  Even 3.5 could be too much for Fayne.  He's been playing top pairing minutes with Greenie and I've really liked him because he's had to EARN his playing time, because he was in the DeBo doghouse for a while at the start of the season.  I won't care if Zidlicky leaves, but I could definitely see him back if Fayne does not return.  Fayne has been a great find and his contract is a bargain right now. 

EDIT: As for big UFAs, I see Boyle, Mejzaros, Markov, Corvo, Timmonen, Morris, Hainsey, Orpik.  That's not a sh!tty pool of UFAs, but must consider how many resign before FA hits (Boyle, Markov, Orpik)
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Posted 13 March 2014 - 11:30 AM

Schneider's playing tomorrow in Florida per TG.


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 11:31 AM

LA had been underachieving and got new life when they fired their coach.  Don't get me wrong, Carter helped the Kings a lot.  But you can't really characterize him as an elite player that made a bad team a Stanley Cup winner.  But the point otherwise was that Philly did not really get fleeced in the Carter deal, or really the Richards deal for that matter.   

 

They went 25-13-11 under Sutter, which works out to .622 - that's pretty good, but doesn't scream 'cup contender'.  

 

No one is an elite player who makes a bad team a Cup winner.

 

I also don't see Fayne generating a ton of interest UFA - I don't think teams trust guys from NJ with no pedigree elsewhere.


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 11:36 AM

Schneider's playing tomorrow in Florida per TG.

 

Good to hear.


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 11:37 AM


 

I also don't see Fayne generating a ton of interest UFA - I don't think teams trust guys from NJ with no pedigree elsewhere.

 

Not a ton of outstanding UFA defensemen this summer.  Paul Martin fits the profile of a NJ defensemen with no pedigree elsewhere, unless you're talking about college and draft slot.  That said, I think a 3 year, $9 million deal is about what he could expect.  What constitutes a bidding war is relative, but I think he's definitely one of those guys that's good enough to go in the first couple hours of free agency if he's unsigned by then.

 

EDIT:  Well, if you think that hockey writers can be a decent barometer of how your average NHL GM thinks, Fayne wasn't in Custance's top 25 UFAs.  So maybe Fayne does not get paid as much as I originally thought.


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 11:49 AM

I could see this happening, at least a bidding war for Fayne, but I can't see Lou going over 3.5 on Fayne. Even 3.5 could be too much for Fayne. He's been playing top pairing minutes with Greenie and I've really liked him because he's had to EARN his playing time, because he was in the DeBo doghouse for a while at the start of the season. I won't care if Zidlicky leaves, but I could definitely see him back if Fayne does not return. Fayne has been a great find and his contract is a bargain right now.

EDIT: As for big UFAs, I see Boyle, Mejzaros, Markov, Corvo, Timmonen, Morris, Hainsey, Orpik. That's not a sh!tty pool of UFAs, but must consider how many resign before FA hits (Boyle, Markov, Orpik)
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yeah I really hope we can keep him at 3.5 or less but i think he's going to get some better offers than that. The difference between everyone you listed and fayne is that he's only 26, is a righty and has been getting top pairing minutes and can play in different situations. He will be one of the most attractive d ufa's out there for many teams.
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Posted 13 March 2014 - 11:54 AM

If DeBoer's doing what I think he's doing (and hopefully being reasonable):

 

Schneider gets Florida,

Brodeur gets Tampa Bay, with 

Schneider slated for the tough Boston home game and possibly the homestand, as his job to lose this weekend.

 

This is the first time in a while that Schneider would get the "easier" of a series of games and Brodeur would get the harder. I think Brodeur still needs to convince Pete against a tough Tampa Bay offense (or Schneider has to really mess up against Florida), but I see Schneider getting the bulk of next week's starts, possibly even the Rangers game.


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 12:00 PM

Good on Pete for going to Cory tomorrow, that's what I was hoping. Have to let him face Luongo.


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