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#1341 Devil Dan 56

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Posted 24 March 2014 - 03:02 PM

The problem is that Marty has won 17 games and gotten 38 total points in 35 starts and Cory has won 14 and gotten 37 points in 38 games. It doesn't make sense and it's what screwed up Cory getting the games he should have been getting.

 

The other issue is that whenever Cory had a chance to run away with the job, he'd falter, Marty would falter slightly less, and we'd be at square one again. Hopefully next year this is no longer an issue, and Cory gets the 60 or so games he should be playing with his numbers. Without the recent slide, he's been one of the best in the league.


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Posted 24 March 2014 - 03:24 PM

The problem is that Marty has won 17 games and gotten 38 total points in 35 starts and Cory has won 14 and gotten 37 points in 38 games. It doesn't make sense and it's what screwed up Cory getting the games he should have been getting.

 

The other issue is that whenever Cory had a chance to run away with the job, he'd falter, Marty would falter slightly less, and we'd be at square one again. Hopefully next year this is no longer an issue, and Cory gets the 60 or so games he should be playing with his numbers. Without the recent slide, he's been one of the best in the league.

 

Well, there is also the issue of how often does Cory need to prove himself.  Schneider had a stretch of 14 of 15 games or whatever of not giving up more than 2 goals. That's pretty sensational. He stumpled a bit, but what goalie hasn't? Imagine if every NHL starter's good play was reset after a few poor games. Pick any starter and I'll show you a number of bad games in close proximity to one another. 

 

I'll go with Rask since many think he is a top 3 goalie in the NHL. 

 

Dec 28th: 3 goals on 12 shots. Pulled after 1

Dec 31st: 5 goals on 31 shots. 

Jan 4th: 1 goal on 37 shots

Jan 7th: 5 goals on 20 shots

Jan 9th: 3 goals on 18 shots. Pulled early in the 2nd.

 

He gets the start two days later and has a 26 save shutout.

 

If Cory Schneider had to prove that he wa sbetter than Martin Brodeur continuously all season, he has passed that test easily. Why he has to continuously prove it is a mystery to everyone around the NHL but people in the Devils organization. 


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Posted 24 March 2014 - 03:42 PM

Why he has to continuously prove it is a mystery to everyone around the NHL but people in the Devils organization. 

 

That's what I didn't get...Schneider got the "Weeeeeeeeell, I don't know..." rookie treatment, while Brodeur got the old faithful "go-to guy" treatment.  I could understand that mentality 3-4 years ago, but def not now.  Part of why I don't want Marty to come back is that I don't trust PDB (if he's back) not to give him the same status next season.   


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Posted 24 March 2014 - 03:51 PM

If you look at the year so far it's gone like this:

 

October:

 

Cory started 6 games. He went 1-3-2 with a .915 save pct.

Marty started 6 games. He went 2-2-2 with an .879 save pct.

 

Cory probably should have taken over at this point but towards the end of the month he lost 5 straight games, breaking well under .900 for that stretch. He had the opportunity but things didn't click.

 

Nov.

 

Cory started 6 games. He went 3-2-1 with a .941 save pct. 

Marty started 9 games and went 5-4-0 with a .932 save pct

 

 

Both are in the same boat but Marty had a stretch of 5 straight wins with a .952 save pct. and 2 straight shutouts. He was the hotter hand.

 

You're essentially doing the same thing the Devils did this year...valuing wins over the goaltender's actual play in net.  The only month Cory was clearly worse than Marty was in December, after he'd been jerked around toward the end of November.  And after Cory's dominant January and February they started splitting games again before Cory really started spitting the bit.  He never had a chance to get back into a groove with them giving Marty the Isles and Detroit games to pacify him and as an in case he was traded.


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Posted 24 March 2014 - 03:56 PM

Your point is wrong.  You have separated things by months.  Is this how coaches make their decisions?   

 

The rules have absolutely given special treatment to Brodeur, because he has ended up with as many games as Schneider, despite being considerably worse.

 

 

The fact that you think your logic proves that Brodeur should get the net now says it all.  Look at the last 150 games - who is the better goalie, the guy who is posting one of the best SV% of all time or the guy who is posting below average save percentages?  The Devils couldn't win a game for Schneider, Brodeur complained about his playing time, and that's why the Devils are as far out of the race as they are.  The fact that Brodeur is going to end up with 40 games this year is criminal.

 

I think you misunderstood my post. I AM saying that because of what has happened lately, it's not that big of a deal to me that Marty is starting - and I think DeBoer has been fair. Additionally, Cory has been abysmal for stretches, so I don't know why you are kissing his feet. I separated things by months just to lay out a summary of the season as best I could (you should be able to understand that), and demonstrate how both goalies have had pretty equal ups and downs with Cory really dropping the ball when he could have taken over. I also pointed out in that post a couple of streaks that ran cross month - this isn't relevant now except to show how your picking on the 'month' thing is plain ignorant of what was written.

 

The other issue is that whenever Cory had a chance to run away with the job, he'd falter, Marty would falter slightly less, and we'd be at square one again. Hopefully next year this is no longer an issue, and Cory gets the 60 or so games he should be playing with his numbers. Without the recent slide, he's been one of the best in the league.

 

This is in large part, what I've been saying.

 

Well, there is also the issue of how often does Cory need to prove himself.  Schneider had a stretch of 14 of 15 games or whatever of not giving up more than 2 goals. That's pretty sensational. He stumpled a bit, but what goalie hasn't? Imagine if every NHL starter's good play was reset after a few poor games. Pick any starter and I'll show you a number of bad games in close proximity to one another. 

 

I'll go with Rask since many think he is a top 3 goalie in the NHL. 

 

Dec 28th: 3 goals on 12 shots. Pulled after 1

Dec 31st: 5 goals on 31 shots. 

Jan 4th: 1 goal on 37 shots

Jan 7th: 5 goals on 20 shots

Jan 9th: 3 goals on 18 shots. Pulled early in the 2nd.

 

He gets the start two days later and has a 26 save shutout.

 

If Cory Schneider had to prove that he wa sbetter than Martin Brodeur continuously all season, he has passed that test easily. Why he has to continuously prove it is a mystery to everyone around the NHL but people in the Devils organization. 

 

He doesn't need to prove himself. He just needs to really not completely fvck things up. Which he did, for extended stretches of the season. He has played more than a few poor games this season. Still, that doesn't change the fact that when he's been good, he has been real good.


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Posted 24 March 2014 - 04:22 PM

Well, there is also the issue of how often does Cory need to prove himself.  Schneider had a stretch of 14 of 15 games or whatever of not giving up more than 2 goals. That's pretty sensational. He stumpled a bit, but what goalie hasn't? Imagine if every NHL starter's good play was reset after a few poor games. Pick any starter and I'll show you a number of bad games in close proximity to one another. 

 

I'll go with Rask since many think he is a top 3 goalie in the NHL. 

 

Dec 28th: 3 goals on 12 shots. Pulled after 1

Dec 31st: 5 goals on 31 shots. 

Jan 4th: 1 goal on 37 shots

Jan 7th: 5 goals on 20 shots

Jan 9th: 3 goals on 18 shots. Pulled early in the 2nd.

 

He gets the start two days later and has a 26 save shutout.

 

If Cory Schneider had to prove that he wa sbetter than Martin Brodeur continuously all season, he has passed that test easily. Why he has to continuously prove it is a mystery to everyone around the NHL but people in the Devils organization. 

 

I didn't say I agree with it because I don't. I said at the beginning of the year there needed to be a transition period but by mid-season, Cory absolutely needed to be the guy. And he was. He played 10 of 15 games in January and all 4 in February. If not for his rough March, he'd most likely still be starting at least 3 of every 4.

 

Unfortunately, Deboer looks at wins and "situations" instead of save percentage. The Devils won't be in the playoffs, so I'd like to see Schneider in 8 of the final 10, but I think it'll be more like 5 each.


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Posted 24 March 2014 - 04:37 PM

I didn't say I agree with it because I don't. I said at the beginning of the year there needed to be a transition period but by mid-season, Cory absolutely needed to be the guy. And he was. He played 10 of 15 games in January and all 4 in February. If not for his rough March, he'd most likely still be starting at least 3 of every 4.

 

Unfortunately, Deboer looks at wins and "situations" instead of save percentage. The Devils won't be in the playoffs, so I'd like to see Schneider in 8 of the final 10, but I think it'll be more like 5 each.

 

This is why I brought up the topic again here because Schneider has won the last 2 while Brodeur has lost the last 3, but was very good in his last outing. So, if Brodeur does get the next game, it will be a shift in decision making for Pete.


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Posted 24 March 2014 - 05:18 PM

This is why I brought up the topic again here because Schneider has won the last 2 while Brodeur has lost the last 3, but was very good in his last outing. So, if Brodeur does get the next game, it will be a shift in decision making for Pete.

 

It's not though.  We saw it in November when Brodeur asked to start against Winnipeg and then lost, then promptly got the next game.  So we know the 'rules', whatever they are, are different for different players.


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Posted 24 March 2014 - 05:46 PM

This is why I brought up the topic again here because Schneider has won the last 2 while Brodeur has lost the last 3, but was very good in his last outing. So, if Brodeur does get the next game, it will be a shift in decision making for Pete.

 

It hasn't been just about wins, but wins have been a large part of it. However, DeBoer has recognized throughout the season who the hot hand is. However, when one goalie completely blew up or had an extended losing streak he would make a change. It's a very simple system and I don't see where all these extrapolations are coming from. 


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Posted 24 March 2014 - 05:51 PM

It's not though.  We saw it in November when Brodeur asked to start against Winnipeg and then lost, then promptly got the next game.  So we know the 'rules', whatever they are, are different for different players.

 

You know, in all my posts talking about the goalie situation crazyness of the coaching decisions, I totally forgot...

 

 

We had a conversation with him,” DeBoer said. “He had no effects from it. He feels good and wanted the game, so that was good enough for me.” - See more at: http://blogs.northje...h.Vqhp242K.dpuf

 

But I did remember the situation of Brodeur starting for 3 losses in a row after Schneider's sensational game against the Kings and Cory calling it "groundhog day" I guess it has been different all year for Brodeur and Cory.

 

What a brutal quote by Pete. If Cory wasn't already steaming, I bet that quote set him off.


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Posted 24 March 2014 - 11:30 PM

You know, in all my posts talking about the goalie situation crazyness of the coaching decisions, I totally forgot...

 

 

But I did remember the situation of Brodeur starting for 3 losses in a row after Schneider's sensational game against the Kings and Cory calling it "groundhog day" I guess it has been different all year for Brodeur and Cory.

 

What a brutal quote by Pete. If Cory wasn't already steaming, I bet that quote set him off.

 

Oh please, this is desperate and you're way too excited over something that doesn't really mean much at all. Firstly, this hardly demonstrates "asking for the game" as much as it does confirming that he's not injured. Secondly,  Marty and Cory didn't have much different save pcts. at that point - the difference is that Cory was coming off 2 wins in 10 games and Marty was recently coming off 7 wins in 8. Marty had a .948 save percentage in his previous 8 games going into Winnipeg.  For the record, Cory had a .936 in his previous 8. Aside from all that (and I'm sure you'll bypass all these facts) it was Cory's first month or so on the team and Marty still retained a right make starts.

 

You guys can high five each other all you want, but your argument is growing weaker. You make the provocative claim the 'Marty gets a different set of rules'. So then I wait for proof of any sort, I even dig through the season myself but only find that the opposite is true. Jan/Feb debunks your whole theory (aside from all the other things that make it wrong such as the part above). This is such a desperate reach it's comical, no offense. Like, this is your evidence of Marty favoritism. Geez, I'd hate to see what you would call actual Marty favoritism. You actually picked an example that is not only unclear but actually might prove against your point.


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Posted 25 March 2014 - 12:57 AM

Oh please, this is desperate and you're way too excited over something that doesn't really mean much at all. Firstly, this hardly demonstrates "asking for the game" as much as it does confirming that he's not injured. Secondly,  Marty and Cory didn't have much different save pcts. at that point - the difference is that Cory was coming off 2 wins in 10 games and Marty was recently coming off 7 wins in 8. Marty had a .948 save percentage in his previous 8 games going into Winnipeg.  For the record, Cory had a .936 in his previous 8. Aside from all that (and I'm sure you'll bypass all these facts) it was Cory's first month or so on the team and Marty still retained a right make starts.

 

You guys can high five each other all you want, but your argument is growing weaker. You make the provocative claim the 'Marty gets a different set of rules'. So then I wait for proof of any sort, I even dig through the season myself but only find that the opposite is true. Jan/Feb debunks your whole theory (aside from all the other things that make it wrong such as the part above). This is such a desperate reach it's comical, no offense. Like, this is your evidence of Marty favoritism. Geez, I'd hate to see what you would call actual Marty favoritism. You actually picked an example that is not only unclear but actually might prove against your point.

 

What save percentage did Schneider have in the 95 games before that and what was Brodeur's?  The problem is that Schneider and Brodeur were treated as equals coming into the season.  That would be fine if we had no idea about these two players and they'd never played hockey before.  They have and we did know.  Saying they are treated as equals is the mistake because they are not equals - Schneider is significantly better.  

 

Brodeur has different rules no question - show me where Cory got 3 straight losses to play around with.  Brodeur was kept in games so he could play in the outdoor game, which he promptly vomited up, and DeBoer realized what was going on and finally benched him for a month.  He's been better in these last few games here, which is great, because not only do we need him for the playoff push, but we need him to leave and so someone has to be fooled into thinking he's good enough to play 30-40 games for them next year.


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Posted 25 March 2014 - 07:38 AM

What save percentage did Schneider have in the 95 games before that and what was Brodeur's?  The problem is that Schneider and Brodeur were treated as equals coming into the season.  That would be fine if we had no idea about these two players and they'd never played hockey before.  They have and we did know.  Saying they are treated as equals is the mistake because they are not equals - Schneider is significantly better.  

 

Brodeur has different rules no question - show me where Cory got 3 straight losses to play around with.  Brodeur was kept in games so he could play in the outdoor game, which he promptly vomited up, and DeBoer realized what was going on and finally benched him for a month.  He's been better in these last few games here, which is great, because not only do we need him for the playoff push, but we need him to leave and so someone has to be fooled into thinking he's good enough to play 30-40 games for them next year.

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Posted 25 March 2014 - 07:41 AM

I want to throw an idea out there...

 

I am a pro-Cory guy by the way, but for the sake of argument.

 

Yes, Cory's save percentage is much better than MARty's over the same time period. No question. However, we do NOT know how Cory's play might change when he's given the #1 job. He's never been a true number 1, with a little more pressure on Luongo and Brodeur than him in both places. It's different.

 

Cory's still the guy, but we don't know how Cory will stand up to 60-65 games until next season.


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Posted 25 March 2014 - 08:17 AM

I want to throw an idea out there...

I am a pro-Cory guy by the way, but for the sake of argument.

Yes, Cory's save percentage is much better than MARty's over the same time period. No question. However, we do NOT know how Cory's play might change when he's given the #1 job. He's never been a true number 1, with a little more pressure on Luongo and Brodeur than him in both places. It's different.

Cory's still the guy, but we don't know how Cory will stand up to 60-65 games until next season.


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Posted 25 March 2014 - 08:28 AM

What save percentage did Schneider have in the 95 games before that and what was Brodeur's?  The problem is that Schneider and Brodeur were treated as equals coming into the season.  That would be fine if we had no idea about these two players and they'd never played hockey before.  They have and we did know.  Saying they are treated as equals is the mistake because they are not equals - Schneider is significantly better.  

 

Brodeur has different rules no question - show me where Cory got 3 straight losses to play around with.  Brodeur was kept in games so he could play in the outdoor game, which he promptly vomited up, and DeBoer realized what was going on and finally benched him for a month.  He's been better in these last few games here, which is great, because not only do we need him for the playoff push, but we need him to leave and so someone has to be fooled into thinking he's good enough to play 30-40 games for them next year.

 

Okay, so you want to make the argument that Cory should be the sole starter because of his past numbers (even though he has never really been a full starter before so we don't have numbers there), I mean at least it's a better argument. Marty has 20 years of starting with 17 or so high-quality seasons. That doesn't make sense to me that that should mean anything, neither do. Cory's past numbers mean that we are willing to trade the no. 9 draft pick for him. With Cory having never played more than 33 games in a season, he still was and is required to earn the full-time position. Something he bungled numerous times. Though it looks like he might finally be getting his groove back now.

 

As far as 'straight losses to play around with' I don't see one instance where Marty lost 3 straight games this season and still got to play. And in that time Cory had more numerous and prolonged streaks of losses in which his save pct. too, was not good.


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Posted 25 March 2014 - 08:38 AM

As long as the Devils remain mathematically alive for the playoffs Schneider must play. Schneider must start vs. the Coyotes and Islanders. He gives us the best chance to win

 

I know this is a heavy accusation to levy against someone, but it's really looking like Lou and Deboer got together and essentially decided to punt the season just to placate Brodeur. I refuse to believe both of them could be so stupid. Lou at one point would never deal with antics like this, and yet here they are massaging the situation and contently losing games to appease Brodeurs big fat ego and AHL caliber goaltending. As soon as MacLean bitched he was on the next plane to San Jose. Claude Julien fired for no known reason. Mogilny offered a bit more than Lou think he's worth in Toronto? Gone.

 

Martin Brodeur is allowed to suck for two years with no repercussions. He's essentially allowed to run the show.

 

Lou let this go on. A happy Brodeur is more important to him than playoff games. The Devils have shown this. (and Brodeur still isn't happy)

 

It's time for Lou to go. He allowed the Devils to lose this year. He could've stepped in and stopped this but didn't.


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Posted 25 March 2014 - 08:54 AM

Okay, so you want to make the argument that Cory should be the sole starter because of his past numbers (even though he has never really been a full starter before so we don't have numbers there), I mean at least it's a better argument. Marty has 20 years of starting with 17 or so high-quality seasons. That doesn't make sense to me that that should mean anything, neither do. Cory's past numbers mean that we are willing to trade the no. 9 draft pick for him. With Cory having never played more than 33 games in a season, he still was and is required to earn the full-time position. Something he bungled numerous times. Though it looks like he might finally be getting his groove back now.

 

As far as 'straight losses to play around with' I don't see one instance where Marty lost 3 straight games this season and still got to play. And in that time Cory had more numerous and prolonged streaks of losses in which his save pct. too, was not good.

 

 

The funny thing is as bad or as average as the season you think Schneider is having, the save percentage (even after the atrocious slide) is stronger than 12 of Brodeur's seasons and the GAA is better than 16 of Brodeur's seasons. Since 1998, Brodeur has only had a GAA better than Cory's twice ( in 03 and 04). That's with Cory playing a ton of games against the best teams in the league and no Hall of Fame defense in front of him like Marty.

 

He's not having a bad season at all. We could be talking about this split with Brodeur in 99 or 2000, but in 2014?


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Posted 25 March 2014 - 09:26 AM

The funny thing is as bad or as average as the season you think Schneider is having, the save percentage (even after the atrocious slide) is stronger than 12 of Brodeur's seasons and the GAA is better than 16 of Brodeur's seasons. Since 1998, Brodeur has only had a GAA better than Cory's twice ( in 03 and 04). That's with Cory playing a ton of games against the best teams in the league and no Hall of Fame defense in front of him like Marty.

 

He's not having a bad season at all. We could be talking about this split with Brodeur in 99 or 2000, but in 2014?

 

Sounds like you would have traded Marty in 1999. That displays a complete inability to assess the intangibles that special players can have which make them great.

 

Nonetheless, I am not saying Cory is having a bad season, I am not ready to label his season at all. All I said is that Cory has had some extended periods of poor play during the season, especially when he got the chance to be the outright starter. The point I have been making (it seems there is a desire to turn this argument into Marty vs. Cory when that's not the point) is that the alternating between the goalies has been generally fair and even if Cory is the much better goalie, it's not such a big deal that Marty has started the games he has (I have said this verbatim over and over again).

 

You guys have such an anti-Marty fervor (I am not sure yet if I sympathize with this) that it seems to you that everyone else is arguing that Marty still should be the starter and that Cory is not that good. Nothing could be farther from the truth. I hope Cory starts 70 games next year.


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Posted 25 March 2014 - 09:50 AM

The funny thing is as bad or as average as the season you think Schneider is having, the save percentage (even after the atrocious slide) is stronger than 12 of Brodeur's seasons and the GAA is better than 16 of Brodeur's seasons. Since 1998, Brodeur has only had a GAA better than Cory's twice ( in 03 and 04). That's with Cory playing a ton of games against the best teams in the league and no Hall of Fame defense in front of him like Marty.

 

He's not having a bad season at all. We could be talking about this split with Brodeur in 99 or 2000, but in 2014?

 

You are comparing different eras. The average save percentage was much lower during the period you're referencing. GAA is a horsesh!t stat for goalies and should only be used as a team statistic. Would Schneider have been elite in the 90s and early 00s? Hell yeah he'd be. Steve Bernier would also have been an elite forward in the 80s, Marty would've been legendary in the 70s...you can't take players out of their context and comparing them vs other generations and eras. 

 

Marty's greatness is his durability, being perfect for the Devils and being above average for such a long period. 


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