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#121 Devils Pride 26

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 02:22 PM

I've never seen such an obsession with crappy players since Willie Randolph and "my guy" Aaron heilman
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Posted 14 November 2013 - 02:31 PM

I've never seen such an obsession with crappy players since Willie Randolph and "my guy" Aaron heilman

 

Heilman was actually very good for a few years as a set-up guy (2005-07)...was by far and away one of the better set-up men in the majors for that stretch...unfortunately, he had a way of blowing up in memorable spots, and just like Carlos Beltran, as far as many Mets fans go, he'll be remembered for failure in Game 7 of the 2006 NLCS.  Unfortunately, due to that success, he got chance after chance to pull it together in 2008 (sabes guys will tell you that he really wasn't as bad as he performed that season, that he was unlucky, but I thought he blew), and then he never reached his 2005-07 heights again.

 

Anyway, my point in bringing this up is that I can understand why Randolph kept going to Heilman.  Not sure Gionta deserves the same amount of chances.    


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 03:10 PM

I don't think it has an impact most games but the Gionta love annoys me too
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Posted 14 November 2013 - 03:26 PM

Harrold has been pretty good but that always gets ignored.  As for Gionta, he belongs in over Tedenby but not Josefson.


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 03:43 PM

Harrold has been pretty good but that always gets ignored.  As for Gionta, he belongs in over Tedenby but not Josefson.

Harrold isn't bad, he's just not as good as Fayne, so I don't see any reason for him to be playing right now, unless Volch can't play on Friday. Even then I think Friday might be a good time to put Merril in, assuming his lacerations are just that, since it's only a 2 point game with it being against a WC opponent.


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 03:54 PM

Harrold has been pretty good but that always gets ignored.  As for Gionta, he belongs in over Tedenby but not Josefson.

 

It does. Harrold has impressed me since he returned to the lineup. I thought he was struggling for a bit earlier in the year. It wouldn't have been such an issue at the time if the Devils weren't scratching Fayne or Larsson.


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 04:19 PM

yeah I believe that is his 3rd NHL goal
Larsson has 2 ...just sayin

as was noted in another thread kurtis foster had a two goal game quickly after becoming a devil so he must have been a legend no?

I understand what you were getting at but it's a little silly to look at offensive statistics for young defensemen to determine their worth.

Urbom can go on to score twice as many goals as Larsson does in their careers but Larsson will still probably be the better overall player.
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Posted 14 November 2013 - 04:21 PM

It does. Harrold has impressed me since he returned to the lineup. I thought he was struggling for a bit earlier in the year. It wouldn't have been such an issue at the time if the Devils weren't scratching Fayne or Larsson.

yeah Harrold is a nice piece to have as a fill in or short term injury replacement but play him in several straight games and his warts show.

I mean my god can the guy hold the point in the offensive zone for once?!

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 04:51 PM

I mean my god can the guy hold the point in the offensive zone for once?!

We are so bad as a whole at holding the point and having our D-men pinch in the o-zone, i think that is one of the main reasons we are less dominant then in 2011-2012. During that run, every single d-man pinched in on the boards, now we have reverted to this style where every d-man plays 5 behind the blue line when the puck is loose. Also why I miss fayne, fayne is the only guy except zids (sometimes) that consistantly pinches.


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 05:29 PM

We are so bad as a whole at holding the point and having our D-men pinch in the o-zone, i think that is one of the main reasons we are less dominant then in 2011-2012. During that run, every single d-man pinched in on the boards, now we have reverted to this style where every d-man plays 5 behind the blue line when the puck is loose. Also why I miss fayne, fayne is the only guy except zids (sometimes) that consistantly pinches.

 

People will scoff, but Volchenkov actually does a nice job at knowing when to pinch into the zone for pucks and does it fairly frequently.  He doesn't do anything other than knock it behind the net, unlike Zids who will do something interesting with the puck, but Volch has pretty good awareness of when to press in along the boards.


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 05:43 PM

People will scoff, but Volchenkov actually does a nice job at knowing when to pinch into the zone for pucks and does it fairly frequently. He doesn't do anything other than knock it behind the net, unlike Zids who will do something interesting with the puck, but Volch has pretty good awareness of when to press in along the boards.

I agree but with volchenkov the problem is when the puck is played back to him from the corner if it isn't a perfect pass it's 100% going back into the neutral zone.

Fortunately he usually recovers enough by just turning and skating straight back at our net to try and prevent a rush. But it's still frustrating.

Sometimes I think that the forward in the corner gets boxed in looks up and sees volchenkov and says"automatic turnover" and just tries to force it back behind he net lol.
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Posted 14 November 2013 - 06:53 PM

Am I the only one who thinks Volchenkov has played his best hockey with the Devils lately?


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 08:08 PM

Harrold in the lineup is more problematic than Gionta being in the lineup.


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 08:22 PM

Heilman was actually very good for a few years as a set-up guy (2005-07)...was by far and away one of the better set-up men in the majors for that stretch...unfortunately, he had a way of blowing up in memorable spots, and just like Carlos Beltran, as far as many Mets fans go, he'll be remembered for failure in Game 7 of the 2006 NLCS.  Unfortunately, due to that success, he got chance after chance to pull it together in 2008 (sabes guys will tell you that he really wasn't as bad as he performed that season, that he was unlucky, but I thought he blew), and then he never reached his 2005-07 heights again.

 

Anyway, my point in bringing this up is that I can understand why Randolph kept going to Heilman.  Not sure Gionta deserves the same amount of chances.    

They really ruined him by jerking him around. I still remember the one hitter he threw against the Marlins in early April one year - not sure if that was 04 or 05. I was a pretty big Heilman fan in his time with the Mets to be honest, a few buddies always gave me sh!t for it. I was thinking of  any parallel between constant obsession of a mediocre player.


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 08:23 PM

Am I the only one who thinks Volchenkov has played his best hockey with the Devils lately?

he's been less noticeable with mistakes, and seems to be blocking shots and hitting people a lot......but I think our D in general has gotten their act together


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 08:25 PM

Am I the only one who thinks Volchenkov has played his best hockey with the Devils lately?

Nope. Volch is a pk'ing, shot blocking dinosaur who does a great job. The problem gets magnified when Sal is in the lineup because that leaves two pairs on defense where one guy has absolute no puck skills and is slow as hell.

 

Each team needs one guy like Volch/Sal, but they are too one dimensional to have both.


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 09:11 PM

I've been quite impressed with Volchenkov actually.  I wonder if the emergence of Gelinas has forced him yo up his game.


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Posted 15 November 2013 - 09:55 AM

Harrold in the lineup is more problematic than Gionta being in the lineup.

the difference is Harrold is in by necessity due to injuries. Gionta has played ok this year but I liked what I saw from jj in the rags game (minus the penalty and the terribad icing)
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Posted 15 November 2013 - 12:20 PM

I've been quite impressed with Volchenkov actually.  I wonder if the emergence of Gelinas has forced him yo up his game.

volch has looked way better lately.. which would only make sense since hes finally playing better now hes injured
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Posted 15 November 2013 - 12:24 PM

I am excited about Brunner-Elias-Ryder. Maybe not ryder. But yeah.


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