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#321 Devlin

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Posted 18 October 2013 - 05:33 AM

SMITE HIM! THE SIGN(ATURE) OF THE KOVALCHUK IS UPON HIM!


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#322 Colorado Rockies 1976

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Posted 18 October 2013 - 06:11 AM

I wonder what goes through Marty's mind.  He must realize on *some* level that he is very far from what he used to be.

 

He probably knows he isn't playing well, but he also probably thinks he just needs more time and games to get into a groove.

 

Problem is, in his last 18 starts (dating back to March 25 last season), he's now put up an .878 save%, including an .865 mark this season.  That is brutal.  And as much as I'd LOVE to believe otherwise, I don't see any evidence that leads me to believe Marty's going to suddenly find his game again.   

 

Devils have allowed 384 shots in those 18 games (21.3 per game), so it's not like Marty's been getting peppered in that time either.  In the four games he's started this season, it's been higher (26 per game), but no one can make a case that Marty's played well. 

 

There's simply no excuse anymore...starting with Saturday's game, Schneider should be given the chance to run with the job...for at least the next 6 games (Game 7 is the back end of a back-to-back).  If DeBoer continues to split the games, then I'm sorry, he's doing a disservice to everyone involved.  When you haven't won one friggin' game and you're the ONLY team in the NHL that hasn't, you need to put the guy in net who gives you the best chance to win.  Everyone can see that that's Schneider. 

 

Based on Marty's age, and his inconsistent play over the last three seasons (some would say flat-out bad, but he HAS had good stretches too), I felt like he had to show very quickly that age and a whole lot of NHL games hadn't caught up to him, if he wanted to get half the games or more.  Clearly that hasn't happened.  From here, one of two things can happen:  Devils can acknowledge that Marty is never going to be anywhere near what he was (and at 41, there shouldn't be any shame in that for Marty...how many 41-year-old goalies are even playing?) and take care of the situation before the Devils have a Mark Messier disaster on their hands, or they can stubbornly ignore what pretty much EVERYONE else is seeing and keep throwing him out there, at everyone else's expense, including Marty's. 


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Posted 18 October 2013 - 06:37 AM

He probably knows he isn't playing well, but he also probably thinks he just needs more time and games to get into a groove.

 

Problem is, in his last 18 starts (dating back to March 25 last season), he's now put up an .878 save%, including an .865 mark this season.  That is brutal.  And as much as I'd LOVE to believe otherwise, I don't see any evidence that leads me to believe Marty's going to suddenly find his game again.   

 

Devils have allowed 384 shots in those 18 games (21.3 per game), so it's not like Marty's been getting peppered in that time either.  In the four games he's started this season, it's been higher (26 per game), but no one can make a case that Marty's played well. 

 

There's simply no excuse anymore...starting with Saturday's game, Schneider should be given the chance to run with the job...for at least the next 6 games (Game 7 is the back end of a back-to-back).  If DeBoer continues to split the games, then I'm sorry, he's doing a disservice to everyone involved.  When you haven't won one friggin' game and you're the ONLY team in the NHL that hasn't, you need to put the guy in net who gives you the best chance to win.  Everyone can see that that's Schneider. 

 

Based on Marty's age, and his inconsistent play over the last three seasons (some would say flat-out bad, but he HAS had good stretches too), I felt like he had to show very quickly that age and a whole lot of NHL games hadn't caught up to him, if he wanted to get half the games or more.  Clearly that hasn't happened.  From here, one of two things can happen:  Devils can acknowledge that Marty is never going to be anywhere near what he was (and at 41, there shouldn't be any shame in that for Marty...how many 41-year-old goalies are even playing?) and take care of the situation before the Devils have a Mark Messier disaster on their hands, or they can stubbornly ignore what pretty much EVERYONE else is seeing and keep throwing him out there, at everyone else's expense, including Marty's. 

 

This is what really worries me. If he keeps playing in short stints he will blame his performance on that, if you give him a run in the team as the starter and he still doesn’t perform for a few games it will be, "I’m just finding my form" .

 

The mind-set he has, which has made him the incredible Goalie and athlete we have had the privilege of watching for so long, is probably going to be the thing that will hold him in the game to long.

 

Part of me hopes that he see Patrick Roy having success as a head coach in Colorado and he thinks " I could be a better head coach than Patrick, let’s get that going”.


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Posted 18 October 2013 - 06:38 AM

Deboer better announce that Schnieder is the starter for the rangers and fast


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Posted 18 October 2013 - 06:58 AM

cant just get up and give up on marty like this.. hes older hes not as good as he once was but fans still need to support him.

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Posted 18 October 2013 - 07:10 AM

schneider in, and stays for a few games please. old man is good but not good enough for this sh!tty defense.


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Posted 18 October 2013 - 07:28 AM

This is what really worries me. If he keeps playing in short stints he will blame his performance on that, if you give him a run in the team as the starter and he still doesn’t perform for a few games it will be, "I’m just finding my form" .

 

 

The mind-set he has, which has made him the incredible Goalie and athlete we have had the privilege of watching for so long, is probably going to be the thing that will hold him in the game to long.

 

 

Part of me hopes that he see Patrick Roy having success as a head coach in Colorado and he thinks " I could be a better head coach than Patrick, let’s get that going”.

 

This is where it can ugly with the fading legends.  A lot of them can't differentiate what was and what is, and that puts their organization in the awkward position of having to do it for them. 

 

I am sure Marty still thinks he's got it in him to be the #1, and thinks he just needs time and starts.  And though I wouldn't be thrilled about it, if the team was scoring some goals and not having issues on a number of other fronts, I could see why the Devils might want to give Marty one last shot at being the #1, or the #1A to Schneider's #1B. 

 

But clearly, they can't do that...this team is already feeling some pressure, and when it's 2-0 before you can blink because your goalie isn't stopping stoppable shots, that "Here we go again" feeling starts coming up in a hurry.  When Marty was kind of a "meh" puck stopper during the regular season (from '98-'99 to '01-'02), his teammates always maintained that, when needed, he would still make the BIG saves, and as the '00 and '03 Cup runs showed, he could raise his game significantly, so even if his save% from those seasons (.906, .910, .906, .906...all below his career .913) weren't great on paper, his teammates still felt like they could count on him. 

 

And for those who are saying "Don't give up on Marty"...no one WANTS to give up on him, but this isn't 2005-06, where he started slowly and some misguided fans wanted to bail on him.  Like many have pointed out, the last three seasons for him have been inconsistent, and he is finally showing real signs of decline.  I've pointed out that he had that nice stretch of play as a 39 and 40-year-old to close out the 2011-12 season and playoffs.  Last season was pretty meh at best, and this season is looking like more of the same.  To Marty's credit, there have been times post 2004-2005 lockout where some people did want to give up on him, and he's fought back every time.  What he did in 2012 was terrific, it really was...kind of like his last stand against the aging process that sadly robs even the best players of their skills.  But who really thinks he has another fight like that left in him?  He has played 1429 games in the NHL.  No other goalie is even close to that (Roy is at 1276).  How many 41-year-old goalies in the NHL defy nature's ugly side?      

 

It's fine if fans want to root for him and hope for the best...I would never root AGAINST him...but as much as I've always been firmly in his corner, I can't just blindly believe in him anymore.   


Edited by Colorado Rockies 1976, 18 October 2013 - 07:29 AM.

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Posted 18 October 2013 - 07:53 AM

Marty is not done yet, that being said schneider is the best man out there and the one who can give us win (something we dont have right now)

 

Our offense is respectable

Our defence isnt very good (yesterday they look better) 

 

Our goaltender have to be dominant...!

 

We will score 2-3 goals per game so we have to shutdown the oppenents... 

 

Conclusion, i want more schneider action and i still think we have to play fayne and gelinas instead others... (base on talent and effectiveness they are supposes to be ahead of volchenkov salvador harrold zidlicky lol)

 

Last night game wasnt awful but the fact we have lost so many game before... nothing less than a win is unexceptable


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Posted 18 October 2013 - 07:58 AM

This team won't be in NJ much longer at this rate.
I sure as hell won't support a team like this. Someone else can go spend all that money to watch this JV lose every night.


GTFO of here with this and go root for a flavor of the month team like the leafs or Avs then.

Talk about overreaction - it's one thing to be pissed at the performance but to claim that after a bad 40 game stretch the organization is doomed makes absolutely no sense.
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Posted 18 October 2013 - 08:01 AM

GTFO of here with this and go root for a flavor of the month team like the leafs or Avs then.

Talk about overreaction - it's one thing to be pissed at the performance but to claim that after a bad 40 game stretch the organization is doomed makes absolutely no sense.

 

BigZ is a troll and a clown, don't take him seriously.  No one else does.


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Can the coach do that ? Switch the goalies 5 seconds to go in overtime?
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Posted 18 October 2013 - 08:24 AM

Another Marty problem is that he's always had a tough time keeping focus, though it never really effected the outcome of a game.

 

I could be wrong - but it has always seemed like Marty stands on his head when the Devils are short handed only to get scored on , no exaggeration, less than 10 seconds after the Devils kill the penalty.  As far as I can tell this is just more of the same: He kept the Devils in it for 2 periods.  Once the guys came in to support him he collapsed.  and he's never been held accountable for that pretty clear attention lapse thing he's had forever.  It's always driven me crazy and people here have often commented on it.  Marty is at his worst when he feels safe.

 

Also it seems to me he's coasting on intuition purely at this point and he's never done that, not ever.  It's always been in combo with his skill and technique.  His eye sight is clearly just off.  He's not reading the plays correctly and he never seems to really have a clear idea where the puck is.  this never used to be a problem.  It's not a reflex thing - it's that he just plain isn't seeing it -- or so it seems to me.  I'd honestly give contacts a shot is I were him.  if you've had fantastic vision all your life and it starts to fade -- you have no way of compensating for that - and there is no learning curve, you're just blind without corrective lenses.  It's an easy fix -- just TRY it, if you really want to stay in the game.


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Posted 18 October 2013 - 08:29 AM

I am still trying to stay optimistic.  Last year we had a fantastic start, I said to myself at one point, if they play .500 hockey they will make playoffs.  Look what happened.  I am hoping for the opposite here.


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Posted 18 October 2013 - 08:48 AM

We are 7 games into the season. The Devils have looked in all aspects. They just haven't been at the same time. Games where they've looked good offensively, the defense let them down. Games where the defense looked good, the offense let them down. Tonight, the offense and defense looked good, but the goaltending was awful. Eventually everything will click at once. When that happens, the Devils will steam roll opponents. If you want a team that truly has shown no signs of life, look at the Flyers. That team has truly sucked.

 

 

This is a results oriented business.  It doesn't matter if the PP looks good one game, and the defensive zone coverage is good another.  It doesn't matter if you outshoot your opponents 100-4 if you can't score more goals than they do.   You need to play consistently and win hockey games, something they have not done now through almost 10% of the season.  They are a below average hockey team consisting of a bunch of role players with no speed.  That's a bad combo in today's NHL, and will basically relegate them to fighting for the last playoff spot in their division/conference at best.  The only saving grace at this point is the fact that the rest of the Metro Division has been bad as well. 

 

Plus, with the offensive challenges this team faces on their best day, we won't be steamrolling anyone anytime soon.  And I take no solace in the fact that the Flyers are the only team in the NHL worse than us right now (yet even they found the way to win 1 game already).  At this rate, the trade deadline is going to be the most exciting part of the season for us.  I hope in April you can gloat and tell me that I'm wrong, but I just don't see that happening based upon what I've watched thus far.


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Posted 18 October 2013 - 08:48 AM

I am still trying to stay optimistic.  Last year we had a fantastic start, I said to myself at one point, if they play .500 hockey they will make playoffs.  Look what happened.  I am hoping for the opposite here.

at this point they will need at least a couple of back to back win... 

 

but right now they cant even win one... I dont think the playoffs is out of mind... big that still a big picture.. We need to win one then we will see... 

 

When christmas come around we will see if we fight for a playoff spot (if not we are in trouble... fvcking 1 round pick is canceled|!!!!!)


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Posted 18 October 2013 - 08:49 AM

You mean the 7 games worth of results, where Martin Brodeur has been handed 11 goals in 4 games and has been unable to win any of those games?

 

The offense sucks.  We knew that going in.  If you don't have a top line it's hard to score goals.  But if the goaltending is going to be this bad, the Devils don't have a chance.  Brodeur singlehandedly cost the Devils the game, and even Chico buried him tonight.

 

That was startling, wasn't it. Throughout Marty's entire career, Chico had NEVER done that.


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Posted 18 October 2013 - 08:59 AM

That was startling, wasn't it. Throughout Marty's entire career, Chico had NEVER done that.

 

For anyone with eyes, there was absolutely no denying how bad Marty was on those first 3 goals (I didn't catch the 3rd period, so I don't know what happened on goals 4 and 5).  Those are saves a men's league goalie should make.  Good for Chico to call him out on his poor play, although it surprised me as well when he did it. 


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Posted 18 October 2013 - 09:03 AM

For anyone with eyes, there was absolutely no denying how bad Marty was on those first 3 goals (I didn't catch the 3rd period, so I don't know what happened on goals 4 and 5).  Those are saves a men's league goalie should make.  Good for Chico to call him out on his poor play, although it surprised me as well when he did it. 

the fourth one was the worst.... fvcking long shot... and didnt even move...


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Posted 18 October 2013 - 09:25 AM

I am still trying to stay optimistic.  Last year we had a fantastic start, I said to myself at one point, if they play .500 hockey they will make playoffs.  Look what happened.  I am hoping for the opposite here.

 

Me too.  Too early not to...but at the same time, I'm definitely adjusting my expectations.  This team had an "anything can happen" feel coming in...including what is happening now.  We all knew there was potential for a bottoming-out.   

 

That being said, Tri pointed it out...Marty has started four games, gotten reasonable (though not great) goal support, and hasn't been able to do much with it...and on a night like last night, where the team is quickly in a 2-0 hole, scores to pull within one in the third, then sees Marty give up another bad one...that can kill a team's spirit.  There's problems all-around, obviously, but when a team doesn't figure to score much, you can't have a guy playing like Marty's been.  They're not good enough to overcome that. 

 

Like many of us are calling for...give Schneider all of the next 6 games.  Want to give Marty that 7th game the night after the 6th, fine.  But give Schneider a real chance to get locked in. 


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It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

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Posted 18 October 2013 - 09:39 AM

One thing that bother me is... everybody know they loose game, but they all say that encouraging (Deboer), we are not playing that bad (Elias) nobody seem pissed off really!

 

That why they need a guy to shake them up.... staying positive is something, but enough is enough.... I want to see some character, anybody being angry broke stick something lol. i want to hear from a zajac brunner henrique telling it a disgrace to loose so much game.

 

I dont know, i think they need character, being in slump happen, but we got to work harder and looking desperate.

 

I want to see their heart ripped out of their fvcking chest lol to quote laviolette.

To much lazy veteran... bring in some angry rookie


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Posted 18 October 2013 - 09:46 AM

Another Marty problem is that he's always had a tough time keeping focus, though it never really effected the outcome of a game.

 

I could be wrong - but it has always seemed like Marty stands on his head when the Devils are short handed only to get scored on , no exaggeration, less than 10 seconds after the Devils kill the penalty.  As far as I can tell this is just more of the same: He kept the Devils in it for 2 periods.  Once the guys came in to support him he collapsed.  and he's never been held accountable for that pretty clear attention lapse thing he's had forever.  It's always driven me crazy and people here have often commented on it.  Marty is at his worst when he feels safe.

 

Also it seems to me he's coasting on intuition purely at this point and he's never done that, not ever.  It's always been in combo with his skill and technique.  His eye sight is clearly just off.  He's not reading the plays correctly and he never seems to really have a clear idea where the puck is.  this never used to be a problem.  It's not a reflex thing - it's that he just plain isn't seeing it -- or so it seems to me.  I'd honestly give contacts a shot is I were him.  if you've had fantastic vision all your life and it starts to fade -- you have no way of compensating for that - and there is no learning curve, you're just blind without corrective lenses.  It's an easy fix -- just TRY it, if you really want to stay in the game.

 

There is no arguing that his play was brutal last night. I do wonder how much his father's passing has to do with his 'lack of focus', however.


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