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#21 Jerzey Devil

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Posted 18 October 2013 - 11:00 AM

Sounds like something SD would or already has said.

 

IDK about you, but this is a lot of could of, should of, would of.


 

Isn't Kovy 30 now?

 

Maybe, but those Minny owners were dead set on getting Zach. I know there's no way of knowing what they would have given up but I think it would have been pretty significant. With Zach already there Suter would have been a lock. I just think losing all of these players to free agency without getting anything back has helped put us in this position. And looking into the future there's not much anybody can do about it but hope we can sign some good free agents. What do we have that's really trade-able at this point? 


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Posted 18 October 2013 - 11:01 AM

ZP a better player than Kovy?  

In which universe?  Not this one, I'm assuming.


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Posted 18 October 2013 - 11:04 AM

With the Devils struggles this season the board has become quite the negative place (and understandably so). But this thread takes it to a new level. 

 

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Posted 18 October 2013 - 11:07 AM

ZP a better player than Kovy?  

In which universe?  Not this one, I'm assuming.

Kovalchuk wasn't great in NJ. A little known fact is that a 35+ year old Patrik Elias outscored IK in his tenure here in NJ.  Don't even get me started on how terrible he was at defense. 


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Posted 18 October 2013 - 11:27 AM

If Lou can't lock up Schneider next year should he trade him before the season starts? 


Edited by Jerzey Devil, 18 October 2013 - 11:27 AM.

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Posted 18 October 2013 - 11:31 AM

Kovalchuk wasn't great in NJ. A little known fact is that a 35+ year old Patrik Elias outscored IK in his tenure here in NJ.  Don't even get me started on how terrible he was at defense. 

 

I don't feel like getting into this debate again, so, suffice to say, we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

If Lou can't lock up Schneider next year should he trade him before the season starts? 

 

Maybe, but which goalie do you then play?


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Posted 18 October 2013 - 11:35 AM

I don't feel like getting into this debate again, so, suffice to say, we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

 

Maybe, but which goalie do you then play?

After what we've seen this season so far is this even a question worth asking?


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#28 Jerzey Devil

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Posted 18 October 2013 - 11:39 AM

I don't feel like getting into this debate again, so, suffice to say, we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

 

Maybe, but which goalie do you then play?

 

I honestly don't know. It would seem like such a waste to give up that 9th overall pick for two years of him though especially if we aren't going anywhere (too early to tell obviously). 

 

I just want to know what everyone's view on asset management are. Personally I don't think we've been doing a good job of it lately and I want this team to be successful.

 

If I'm coming across as negative I apologize. I've been a fan since around 88 and I have the logo tattooed on my right arm (which I got in 96, the year they missed the playoffs after winning the cup). I trust in Lou but I fear he has made some bad mistakes recently that have cost the franchise greatly.


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Posted 18 October 2013 - 11:49 AM

Kovalchuk wasn't great in NJ. A little known fact is that a 35+ year old Patrik Elias outscored IK in his tenure here in NJ.  Don't even get me started on how terrible he was at defense. 

I wish it were true but,

Elias: 236 games, 70 goals, 128 assists, 198 points, -2

Kovalchuk: 222 games, 89 goals, 112 assists, 201 points, -32 (lolol)


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Posted 18 October 2013 - 11:54 AM

After what we've seen this season so far is this even a question worth asking?

I meant in the hypothetical situation where the Devils trade Schneider if he's made it clear he has no intention of re-signing.

 

I honestly don't know. It would seem like such a waste to give up that 9th overall pick for two years of him though especially if we aren't going anywhere (too early to tell obviously). 

 

I just want to know what everyone's view on asset management are. Personally I don't think we've been doing a good job of it lately and I want this team to be successful.

 

If I'm coming across as negative I apologize. I've been a fan since around 88 and I have the logo tattooed on my right arm (which I got in 96, the year they missed the playoffs after winning the cup). I trust in Lou but I fear he has made some bad mistakes recently that have cost the franchise greatly.

 

Maybe sign a veteran FA duo to merely play out the season while the kids get more experience  :noclue:  

 

The Devils have lost way too many assets in recent years without receiving anything back (DOWN STERIO, DOWN BOY), but I don't know if shipping out Schneider for picks is a smart move unless he's made it absolutely 100% clear he won't be re-signing (which I doubt he would do).  I mean, by trading him, you're essentially admitting and committing to a bonafide rebuild.

 

And no trust me, you're not one of the people here I have pegged as a negative poster.  Don't even worry about that.  I don't think anyone has you labeled as a negative nancy.


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Posted 18 October 2013 - 12:03 PM

The worst thing this franchise ever did was sign Kovalchuk.
He was never a Devil. He never played Devils hockey and he was nothing but over hype. He was garbage compared to some NHL stars. To put KovalSUCK in the same sentence as Ovechkin, Stamkos, Malkin, Crosby is an absolute fail. I would rather have any of those players on the team than Kovalchuk that fvcking piece of sh!t fraud.
Once the organization signed him it was a slap in the face to Parise..another player I would have rather had than Kovalchuk.
Do you think this team would have been so awful over the last two seasons if Parise was on the team? No fvcking way. Because he plays with heart and that's always going to win when it's combined with hard work and talent.
The Kovalchuk signing single handled ruined this franchise and now it's a complete fvcking laughing mockery stock of what it once was.
I'm completely fvcking embarrassed to be a fan of this team.
Zajac, Henrique, Zubrus are all over paid. Brodeur and Jagr should be retired. Clowe fvcking sucks. Brunner and Ryder have some potential but why didn't anyone else want them?? Probably because them and the rest of the team shouldn't be in the NHL. This team besides Elias and Schnieder are a fvcking B squad and it's going to get worse before it gets better. Mark my words this team isn't winning more than 20 games this season.
Nobody wants to play in NJ, this franchise is done. It was fun while it lasted.

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Posted 18 October 2013 - 12:07 PM

I meant in the hypothetical situation where the Devils trade Schneider if he's made it clear he has no intention of re-signing.

 

 

Maybe sign a veteran FA duo to merely play out the season while the kids get more experience  :noclue:  

 

The Devils have lost way too many assets in recent years without receiving anything back (DOWN STERIO, DOWN BOY), but I don't know if shipping out Schneider for picks is a smart move unless he's made it absolutely 100% clear he won't be re-signing (which I doubt he would do).  I mean, by trading him, you're essentially admitting and committing to a bonafide rebuild.

 

And no trust me, you're not one of the people here I have pegged as a negative poster.  Don't even worry about that.  I don't think anyone has you labeled as a negative nancy.

 

Thanks man. I appreciate that. 

I think if Lou can convince Corey that the defense will be much better in a few years (which it should) then he'll stick around. 


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Posted 18 October 2013 - 12:10 PM

The worst thing this franchise ever did was sign Kovalchuk.
He was never a Devil. He never played Devils hockey and he was nothing but over hype. He was garbage compared to some NHL stars. To put KovalSUCK in the same sentence as Ovechkin, Stamkos, Malkin, Crosby is an absolute fail. I would rather have any of those players on the team than Kovalchuk that fvcking piece of sh!t fraud.
Once the organization signed him it was a slap in the face to Parise..another player I would have rather had than Kovalchuk.
Do you think this team would have been so awful over the last two seasons if Parise was on the team? No fvcking way. Because he plays with heart and that's always going to win when it's combined with hard work and talent.
The Kovalchuk signing single handled ruined this franchise and now it's a complete fvcking laughing mockery stock of what it once was.
I'm completely fvcking embarrassed to be a fan of this team.
Zajac, Henrique, Zubrus are all over paid. Brodeur and Jagr should be retired. Clowe fvcking sucks. Brunner and Ryder have some potential but why didn't anyone else want them?? Probably because them and the rest of the team shouldn't be in the NHL. This team besides Elias and Schnieder are a fvcking B squad and it's going to get worse before it gets better. Mark my words this team isn't winning more than 20 games this season.
Nobody wants to play in NJ, this franchise is done. It was fun while it lasted.


Good then throw all your devils sh!t out, stop watching/going to games, and stop trolling on here.
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Posted 18 October 2013 - 12:17 PM

Good then throw all your devils sh!t out, stop watching/going to games, and stop trolling on here.


This. If you hate that much about the team, then go pick a team to front run with.
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Posted 18 October 2013 - 12:19 PM

JA#11 perhaps (from HF)?


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Posted 18 October 2013 - 01:27 PM

I hate to say it, but I have nightmares of Schneider not resigning with us....


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Posted 18 October 2013 - 01:29 PM

My thread title was sarcastic.... Sorry for the mistunderstanding


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Posted 18 October 2013 - 02:47 PM


I meant in the hypothetical situation where the Devils trade Schneider if he's made it clear he has no intention of re-signing.

 

Maybe sign a veteran FA duo to merely play out the season while the kids get more experience   :noclue:  

 

The Devils have lost way too many assets in recent years without receiving anything back (DOWN STERIO, DOWN BOY), but I don't know if shipping out Schneider for picks is a smart move unless he's made it absolutely 100% clear he won't be re-signing (which I doubt he would do).  I mean, by trading him, you're essentially admitting and committing to a bonafide rebuild.

 

And no trust me, you're not one of the people here I have pegged as a negative poster.  Don't even worry about that.  I don't think anyone has you labeled as a negative nancy.

 

Well see you're nearing what i've been saying for the last few years and it's been the problem. And my negative comments have been overblown really. And while i'm there I apologize for sounding so negative at time but i strongly believe in what i'm saying. I'll try to explain as peacefully as i can please guys don't jump on me.

 

Of course nobody here knows what's going on in Lou's office. All we know is what he himself said, what players said and what reporters said about it, so all i base my opinion is on those statements if they are lies, nothing i can do.

 

But based on what has been reported Lou refuse to talk contract extension "during the season". The problem with this is that he's turning his back on infos that could help him make important decisions for the future. As a "business man" you want to get a pulse of everything in order to minimize your losses or prepare yourself for them or to take "calculated risks". That's my problem, Lou simply REFUSE to get that info simply cause he wants to do things that way, just because. There's absolutely no benefit to that procedure, you don't have to sign anything or make move. 

 

You also don't always need to talk during the season of course. But if you look around the league, a damn good chunk of core/superstar players have been extended during the summer before their last season or during their last season of contract. Very rarely does a GM even take the risk of letting their top players test free agency.

 

What helped Lou all those years with that procedure is that we we're a powerhouse all those years with players you want to play with. Players WANTED to stay in NJ, now the grass is damn greener all around. So the loyalty thing is not as strong as it once was.

 

I strongly believe that if Zach would have stayed... Kovy may have stayed too (well not sure it would have fit under the cap) but we have to move on now.


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Posted 18 October 2013 - 03:18 PM

JA#11 perhaps (from HF)?

 

Could be any one of those Devils trolls who love to come out of the woodwork when the team struggles

 

 

But yeah, nothing could ever get me to drop this team (other than switching the name from New Jersey Devils).. I don't care if we miss the playoffs for the next 10 seasons, I'd still keep my season tickets and follow them closely.. Sure even this 7 game skid blows, but whatever it happens.. Doesn't mean I'm dropping the team (and BigZ isn't either since he's clearly a Rangers fan)


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Posted 18 October 2013 - 03:58 PM

The worst thing this franchise ever did was sign Kovalchuk.
He was never a Devil. He never played Devils hockey and he was nothing but over hype. He was garbage compared to some NHL stars. To put KovalSUCK in the same sentence as Ovechkin, Stamkos, Malkin, Crosby is an absolute fail. I would rather have any of those players on the team than Kovalchuk that fvcking piece of sh!t fraud.
Once the organization signed him it was a slap in the face to Parise..another player I would have rather had than Kovalchuk.
Do you think this team would have been so awful over the last two seasons if Parise was on the team? No fvcking way. Because he plays with heart and that's always going to win when it's combined with hard work and talent.
The Kovalchuk signing single handled ruined this franchise and now it's a complete fvcking laughing mockery stock of what it once was.
I'm completely fvcking embarrassed to be a fan of this team.
Zajac, Henrique, Zubrus are all over paid. Brodeur and Jagr should be retired. Clowe fvcking sucks. Brunner and Ryder have some potential but why didn't anyone else want them?? Probably because them and the rest of the team shouldn't be in the NHL. This team besides Elias and Schnieder are a fvcking B squad and it's going to get worse before it gets better. Mark my words this team isn't winning more than 20 games this season.
Nobody wants to play in NJ, this franchise is done. It was fun while it lasted.

wowww talk about being dramatic holy sh!t.. are you a 16 year old girl? the team is on a bad start and a losing streak ive seen losing streaks plenty of other times in past seasons.. nothing like being totally dramatic.
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