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#21 maxpower

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Posted 20 October 2013 - 12:50 PM

The Philly teams report honestly to a T.   If they're six short they're six short.   It's the same difference, since you don't have the bizarre 10K house with 14K people there that the Devils used to do to "balance" their books.


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Posted 20 October 2013 - 12:54 PM

A lot of Rangers in the crowd this time compared to previous years. I'll say 70-30 or even 65-35, which is more than we're used to in recent years... Not good.


Rangers haven't had a home game yet, so lots of pent up demand.
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Posted 20 October 2013 - 01:47 PM

curious, what good would complaining about fan support do them?

 

To qualify for revenue sharing?  :dunno:

But let's not go there.   :headless chicken:

 

The club seats are never sold out. They were the only real empties I could find in the crowd last night. Definitely more packed than opening night but, truth be told, unless they are going to discount the club seats from th official attendance figures, then this was not a sellout.

Last season, this game and opening nigHt would have been an announced 17625. Definitely a new policy from ownership to report the actual attendance figures.

 

Not everybody who owns luxury suites watches the game from the seats.  Many just stay in the boxes.

 

But if that were true that would mean 1,100 seats went unsold for a sat night game against the rags with no mlb, nfl, nba competition. If thats true, we are in serious trouble

 

There is no way whatsoever that this wasn't a sellout.

 

A lot of Rangers in the crowd this time compared to previous years. I'll say 70-30 or even 65-35, which is more  than we're used to in recent years... Not good.

 

I'd say it was about 25-30%.


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Posted 20 October 2013 - 01:50 PM

Rangers haven't had a home game yet, so lots of pent up demand.

 

Yea I can see this too.


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Posted 20 October 2013 - 01:54 PM

not even close to those percentages. 80/20 at best.
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Posted 20 October 2013 - 02:26 PM

A lot of Rangers in the crowd this time compared to previous years. I'll say 70-30 or even 65-35, which is more than we're used to in recent years... Not good.

I said in an earlier thread that the ratio was higher in their favor then ehat most thought aad 20 people told me I was wrong
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Posted 20 October 2013 - 02:28 PM

I said in an earlier thread that the ratio was higher in their favor then ehat most thought aad 20 people told me I was wrong

 

25-30% was the percentage of Rangers fans last night.  It was about 4-6,000 Rags fans.


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Posted 20 October 2013 - 03:49 PM

To qualify for revenue sharing?  :dunno:
But let's not go there.   :headless chicken:
 

 
Not everybody who owns luxury suites watches the game from the seats.  Many just stay in the boxes.
 

 
There is no way whatsoever that this wasn't a sellout.
 

 
I'd say it was about 25-30%.


First, I was talking about the club seats (the 3 sections of seats at center ice of the lower bowl), not the suites. Second, it wasn't a sellout. There were many empty seats in the club sections (as always), and a few scattered in the lower bowl. It seemed like an absolutely honest attendance figure to me. And what would be their incentive to make it less than a sellout if it wasn't legitimately one? I don't buy the setting this up to fail conspiracy theory argument.

The fact of the matter is that those club seats are overpriced for this fan base. We don't have the level of corporate support to charge those prices. It's also a huge reason that 1/2 of the luxury suites are empty. With the way they are reporting attendance, we won't see a true sellout all season.
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Posted 20 October 2013 - 04:05 PM

First, I was talking about the club seats (the 3 sections of seats at center ice of the lower bowl), not the suites. Second, it wasn't a sellout. There were many empty seats in the club sections (as always), and a few scattered in the lower bowl. It seemed like an absolutely honest attendance figure to me. And what would be their incentive to make it less than a sellout if it wasn't legitimately one? I don't buy the setting this up to fail conspiracy theory argument.

The fact of the matter is that those club seats are overpriced for this fan base. We don't have the level of corporate support to charge those prices. It's also a huge reason that 1/2 of the luxury suites are empty. With the way they are reporting attendance, we won't see a true sellout all season.

 

Yeah, I don't know what the big deal is, the end number is still going to be the same no matter which way you do it, being honest, or robbing Peter to pay Paul, which is what they've been doing in the past


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Posted 20 October 2013 - 04:27 PM

First, I was talking about the club seats (the 3 sections of seats at center ice of the lower bowl), not the suites. Second, it wasn't a sellout. There were many empty seats in the club sections (as always), and a few scattered in the lower bowl. It seemed like an absolutely honest attendance figure to me. And what would be their incentive to make it less than a sellout if it wasn't legitimately one? I don't buy the setting this up to fail conspiracy theory argument.

The fact of the matter is that those club seats are overpriced for this fan base. We don't have the level of corporate support to charge those prices. It's also a huge reason that 1/2 of the luxury suites are empty. With the way they are reporting attendance, we won't see a true sellout all season.

 

The team called last night a sellout.  They called the 16,592 a sellout.  TG said they basically stopped counting some seats into the official seating capacity.  Meaning the seating capacity is no longer 17,625.

 

And there's always gonna be empty seats even during sellouts.


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Posted 20 October 2013 - 04:40 PM

Here's an excerpt from TG.

 

The Devils announced the attendance as 16,592 and said it was a sellout, which was strange on two counts. The first is that all previous sellouts in the Devils’ first six seasons at Prudential Center had announced crowds of 17,625. The second was that the announced attendance for the home opener was 16,624 (32 more than tonight) and that was not announced by the team as a sellout. I’ll try to find out at some point if the capacity for hockey somehow dropped by more than 1,000 since the end of last season.


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Posted 20 October 2013 - 06:24 PM

I don't give a sh!t what they call a sellout. They are acting like the Yankees, who also pretend club seats don't count towards attendance. It's a sham. It is also terrible visually (on tv and in person) to have the best seats in the house largely empty.
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Posted 20 October 2013 - 06:28 PM

I don't give a sh!t what they call a sellout. They are acting like the Yankees, who also pretend club seats don't count towards attendance. It's a sham. It is also terrible visually (on tv and in person) to have the best seats in the house largely empty.

 

Are you referring to the Fire and Ice Lounge seats?  Like I said, people watch from the bars mostly.  Yea it looks bad on tv, but that's what happens.


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Posted 20 October 2013 - 06:32 PM

Are you referring to the Fire and Ice Lounge seats?  Like I said, people watch from the bars mostly.  Yea it looks bad on tv, but that's what happens.

 

This is only really accurate at the end of or in particular the beginning of the period.  Don't get me wrong there are always people milling about during play, but it doesn't correspond with the number of seats open, especially midweek games against less popular foes.


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Posted 20 October 2013 - 06:36 PM

This is only really accurate at the end of or in particular the beginning of the period.  Don't get me wrong there are always people milling about during play, but it doesn't correspond with the number of seats open, especially midweek games against less popular foes.

 

My question is, do they sell those tickets by the number of seats?  Or do they sell those tickets as a standing room only type of situation?  The thing is, those black seats will never be 100% occupied especially if they sell fire and ice tickets by the number of seats.


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Posted 20 October 2013 - 06:37 PM

Are you referring to the Fire and Ice Lounge seats? Like I said, people watch from the bars mostly. Yea it looks bad on tv, but that's what happens.


This is very true...I don't get a chance to see many games anymore since I'm down the shore but when I take the family I usually get either fire or ice lounge seats and it's always packed!! everyone loves hanging out at the bar.

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Posted 20 October 2013 - 07:54 PM

Maybe people just aren't interested in spending time in the dmz known as newark.
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Posted 20 October 2013 - 08:57 PM

What the hell would they want to move the team for when they own the arena they play in?? Are they gonna move the building with them? We drew 14.000 vs. the Rags in November of 2005 at the dump. This isn't something new.
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Posted 20 October 2013 - 09:42 PM

My question is, do they sell those tickets by the number of seats? Or do they sell those tickets as a standing room only type of situation? The thing is, those black seats will never be 100% occupied especially if they sell fire and ice tickets by the number of seats.

Those seats count the same as a normal seat. As far as I know there aren't standing room only seats available, not even for the Finals. At 150 per seat STH price, they must be hard to sell.(actually these may be 175 now at sth)

Also, I used to have a friend in the concert business and said places would use a % of capacity, say 97%, to determine a sellout. I think this was a policy incorporated in the 90's as a way to hype events and tours. Just even in the event of selling all the away teams tickets for every game could prevent sell outs since those are often released last minute.

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Posted 20 October 2013 - 09:48 PM

25-30% was the percentage of Rangers fans last night.  It was about 4-6,000 Rags fans.

did you count them all one by one or you just know these things so accurately?
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