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#221 Pepperkorn

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 10:51 PM

I will agree to that but it still doesn't hide the fact that this is the worst and will be the worst Devils team in their history.

I disagree -- and it sucks they just aren't given the space to perform.  Its some sick adherence to some freaky THING  some...  some .. IDEA someone has... this "status quo," "stay the course" (no seriously, insert annoying Chris Farley quote fingers)...  it's a top down thing not a bottom talentless crew thing.


I think you're putting words in my mouth. I said nothing about Loki deserving a spot (though I'd start him over Teddy just because he's shown more over the last couple years, not much more, but enough, hell I'd give each one a chance to earn a spot based on play if I was the coach) nor did I "kill a young player for a giveaway" anywhere. As for JJ, the reason I'd have JJ in over Teddy is simply that he's shown a defensive side to his game whereas Teddy hasn't shown much at either end of the ice as of late. Also, I never said not to rip on the guys, just saying that as fans we have to hope they can turn it around because like 'em or not, they're not going anywhere. There's literally two options with Zajac and Henrique. Either they're here and they suck or they're here and they perform as they did in the past. That's it. I don't even see how that's debatable at this point.

wow

 

I totally though this was a typical stereo battle.  I am with you on teh JJ thing.  Tedenby has been blowing chunks -- who gave the directive to give the sh!tass fvck ups a chance?  Just curious.


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Posted 22 October 2013 - 10:55 PM

I think you're putting words in my mouth. I said nothing about Loki deserving a spot (though I'd start him over Teddy just because he's shown more over the last couple years, not much more, but enough, hell I'd give each one a chance to earn a spot based on play if I was the coach) nor did I "kill a young player for a giveaway" anywhere. As for JJ, the reason I'd have JJ in over Teddy is simply that he's shown a defensive side to his game whereas Teddy hasn't shown much at either end of the ice as of late. Also, I never said not to rip on the guys, just saying that as fans we have to hope they can turn it around because like 'em or not, they're not going anywhere. There's literally two options with Zajac and Henrique. Either they're here and they suck or they're here and they perform as they did in the past. That's it. I don't even see how that's debatable at this point.


Did you watch the game tonight? Did teddy not create 2 of the best chances the devils had? JJ isnt close to as offensively skilled as teddy, thats become evident. So you want jj in there for what, defense? This team needs scoring chances and goals a lot more than a below average defensive foward. Clocking out on this now. This debate got as far as it usually does. Nowhere. Goodnight buddy.
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Posted 22 October 2013 - 10:59 PM

With a proven track record that's a realistic option?  Just Laviolette and Maurice.  Problem with Laviolette is he's too whiny and his teams dive all over the place, both of which Lou hates.  Problem with Maurice is he's one of Pete's best friends so it'd be awkward to put it mildly.

 

It almost doesn't matter at this point though.  I mean it honestly cannot get worse than 10 regulation wins in 40+ games.

It's a miscommunication.  Something in Lou's message is being diluted.  Lemaire gets it.  Robinson gets it but finds it un-doable.  Burns so got it. 

 

:unsure: OK freaky PK weirdness -- so what's funny is I call on Burns spirit to just provide direction adn all I feel is "it's HOCKEY - dude can find his own way. There are just more important places to spread one's spiritual mojo.  I was an ex-cop -- you THINK hockey is important with this trans-dimension view?  Seriously?"  well -- just for fun Pat?  maybe?  no?....  well.. ok then.  guess I oughta go to sleep now then myself.


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Posted 22 October 2013 - 11:00 PM

Did you watch the game tonight? Did teddy not create 2 of the best chances the devils had? JJ isnt close to as offensively skilled as teddy, thats become evident. So you want jj in there for what, defense? This team needs scoring chances and goals a lot more than a below average defensive foward. Clocking out on this now. This debate got as far as it usually does. Nowhere. Goodnight buddy.

 

Well if it's gonna be that way...

 


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Posted 22 October 2013 - 11:44 PM

Peter Harold...wow. Continues to amaze me by showing how much 1 subpar player can wreck a team. PDB, that's on you.
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Posted 22 October 2013 - 11:46 PM

What a terrible game that was. 


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Posted 23 October 2013 - 01:01 AM

I disagree -- and it sucks they just aren't given the space to perform. Its some sick adherence to some freaky THING some... some .. IDEA someone has... this "status quo," "stay the course" (no seriously, insert annoying Chris Farley quote fingers)... it's a top down thing not a bottom talentless crew thing.

wow

I totally though this was a typical stereo battle. I am with you on teh JJ thing. Tedenby has been blowing chunks -- who gave the directive to give the sh!tass fvck ups a chance? Just curious.

I dont think you watched tonight's game because Teddy was pretty nice tonight. He had several very nice setups. Usually I'll hate on him but it was enough for me to take notice of his play making tonight.

Did you watch the game tonight? Did teddy not create 2 of the best chances the devils had? JJ isnt close to as offensively skilled as teddy, thats become evident. So you want jj in there for what, defense? This team needs scoring chances and goals a lot more than a below average defensive foward. Clocking out on this now. This debate got as far as it usually does. Nowhere. Goodnight buddy.

amen. Sure there are problems but we can't be calling the wrong person out.

Did you watch the game tonight? Did teddy not create 2 of the best chances the devils had? JJ isnt close to as offensively skilled as teddy, thats become evident. So you want jj in there for what, defense? This team needs scoring chances and goals a lot more than a below average defensive foward. Clocking out on this now. This debate got as far as it usually does. Nowhere. Goodnight buddy.

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 02:52 AM

And no. That's all on Harrold. Ask any goalie. Hell, ask a rec league goalie and they'll tell you that's a pass that can never be made. It's not an outlet pass, it's a suicide pass. If he was at the half boards, maybe I'd say differently, but from there you have to go up the boards/off the glass or back behind the net ALWAYS. Never in front of your own net. It's inexcusable...unless you're PDB of course.


I have no idea what league you watch, but that pass is made all the time. The LA Kings in tbe finals used thstvsame pass to thwart the forcheck we killed everyone with. Schneider kind of set that play in motion when he looked like he was gonna go to Fayne but then went to Harrold. Unfortunately Lokti didn't handle the pass cleanly and a shot that if taken 100 times goes in less than 3 times.
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Posted 23 October 2013 - 05:42 AM

The problems start at the top,
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Posted 23 October 2013 - 06:59 AM

Salvador had an amazing game, really happy with the way he played (thought I'd never say that to be honest).

 

Larson > Harrold

 

Keep Fayne.

 

Take it one game at a time, we'll find our groove. Although the one thing I don't understand is when we're on the road it looks like we come into games knowing that we're not going to score. When we're home our Power Play is 10x more set up and shots and scoring chances are more planned. On the road it's just throw it to net and hope for a deflection, which never works for this team for some reason :P.

 

Still early boys, we'll get it going.


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Posted 23 October 2013 - 07:11 AM

Since we all know that the Devils would be an 'on the bubble' playoff team, the first 10% of the season has gone disastrously. 

At this point anything short of a minimum 5-6 game winning streak, or maybe two of these, will mean the Devs miss the playoffs again next spring.


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Posted 23 October 2013 - 07:33 AM

It's sad that a 42-year old is your most visible and prominent forward on the ice.  Our collective speed has diminished considerably, not to mention that it appears that Adam Henrique is playing with cement on the runners of his skates.

 

I give this two to three more games before someone pulls the trigger on some wholesale changes in Newark.

 

This, unless (my conspiracy theory hat on here) that the new ownership wants to have the Devils sink on purpose just so they have a reason to clean house of all the old management and bring in their new folks  :giggle:


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Posted 23 October 2013 - 07:42 AM

Haha see you're so baised. Teddy rips a defender of the puck like no one else on the team has done, centers creates a great scoring chance, NJDevs ignores. He beats out a defender for a puck then on a 2 on 1 makes a great play and gets a great shot on goal, NJDevs ignores. He tries to clear a puck and its kept in and cory schneider gets beat on a backhand from the top of the circles, NJDevs says GET HIM OFF THE TEAM. Zajac signs a LT deal, tanks it for over a year, ahhh give him time. Henrique becomes a playoff hero, doesn't perform on a nightly basis ever since, ahhh but he beat the rangers!!!! Loktionov makes #1 on sportscenter top 10, ever since then looks like he should still be playing for the manchester monarchs, HES GUNNA BE A FIRST LINER HERE!!!!! You wanna talk about PDB having his pets, NJDevs.com is the #1 offender when it comes to having pets. You're calling it a lost season 9 games in yet you just bitched about me saying the GAME was over.

 

You say don't give up on zajac, no its not giving up. Dude this isn't a prospect, its a player in what should be his prime performing like garbage nightly. He's got a cap hit like zetterberg, the sedins, lucic, tavares, hall, skinner, seguin, sharp. You wanna put ZAJAC on the same level as those players? No, and if you do youre a kook. You wanna bitch about teddy who skates harder than anyone on the ice, who is actually out there making plays and putting forth an effort. Whatever floats your boat generic njdevs.com poster. But there are much much bigger fish to fry son.

 

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 07:50 AM

Salvador had an amazing game, really happy with the way he played (thought I'd never say that to be honest).

Larson > Harrold

Keep Fayne.

Take it one game at a time, we'll find our groove. Although the one thing I don't understand is when we're on the road it looks like we come into games knowing that we're not going to score. When we're home our Power Play is 10x more set up and shots and scoring chances are more planned. On the road it's just throw it to net and hope for a deflection, which never works for this team for some reason :P.

Still early boys, we'll get it going.

Not sure how Salvador had an amazing game when he didn't play at all in he third... But I agree that he isn't as much of a liability on the ice as some here made him out to be going into the season.

Volchenkov has been good so far this season as well and he still brings things to the game at a level that none of our other defenseman can. Unfortunately his contract still makes him a disappointment overall.

And I agree that it's still early- I'm very much an optimist, but even I am starting to worry that when we do get things turned around it will be too late.
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Posted 23 October 2013 - 08:19 AM

It's sad that a 42-year old is your most visible and prominent forward on the ice.  Our collective speed has diminished considerably, not to mention that it appears that Adam Henrique is playing with cement on the runners of his skates.

 

I give this two to three more games before someone pulls the trigger on some wholesale changes in Newark.

 

This, unless (my conspiracy theory hat on here) that the new ownership wants to have the Devils sink on purpose just so they have a reason to clean house of all the old management and bring in their new folks  :giggle:

 

Jagr has been our best player for sure


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Posted 23 October 2013 - 08:24 AM

I think Jagr has been really good and giving it all he's got, but I also see the look on his face at the end of games and its like "what am I doing here, I want to play for a good team"


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Posted 23 October 2013 - 08:33 AM

Our main problem is our very strict system IMO. We can see the results pretty easily too. 

 

Very rarely you'll see our guys attempting a scoring chances off the rush they always go wide (by themselves even when they are not rush by the dman, as soon they get in the zone they mostly head towards the corner directly, or they dump to get get. Once we're there we have to get the puck to the point, which most of the time goes there to die cause most of our dman are not great offensively. I mean 90% of the time when the puck carrier is about to enter the offensive zone you can already tell nothing good is going to happen but everyone's positioning.

 

Most of the time on our dump in now we do not win the fights and the other team breakout freely with all our 3 forwards still behind the red line and most are slow so they can't backcheck and catch up. I mean... how often did we get burned being in the zone for awhile and booom easy tic-tac-toe breakout, goal straight off the rush? Thats a big reason why. And we've seen it so fvcking often.

 

So basically, we play a system where you're not creating good open scoring chances and that you have to be opportunist offensively and we're exposing our slow Dmen most of the time cause the other team have their own defensive zone + neutral zone to freely prepare their plays.

 

But one reason we we're SO awesome at scoring on the PK in the last few years is cause we'd breakout differently and try to score off the rush instead of slowing down (cause really our puck carrier always slow down when they get to the blue line unless they dump) to settle the play and bring everyone in. 

 

i also think thats one of the reasons Kovy left, with the talent he has and being ask to simply do the same play over and over (and not winning doing it anymore) the best Kovy plays were ALWAYS when we were down a goal late in a game and he'd take it uppon himself to create a scoring chance. He'd then make some crazy rush beating everyone and getting a shot on net 75% of the time he'd even try.


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Posted 23 October 2013 - 08:36 AM

Our main problem is our very strict system IMO. We can see the results pretty easily too. 

 

Very rarely you'll see our guys attempting a scoring chances off the rush they always go wide (by themselves even when they are not rush by the dman, as soon they get in the zone they mostly head towards the corner directly, or they dump to get get. Once we're there we have to get the puck to the point, which most of the time goes there to die cause most of our dman are not great offensively. I mean 90% of the time when the puck carrier is about to enter the offensive zone you can already tell nothing good is going to happen but everyone's positioning.

 

Most of the time on our dump in now we do not win the fights and the other team breakout freely with all our 3 forwards still behind the red line and most are slow so they can't backcheck and catch up. I mean... how often did we get burned being in the zone for awhile and booom easy tic-tac-toe breakout, goal straight off the rush? Thats a big reason why. And we've seen it so fvcking often.

 

So basically, we play a system where you're not creating good open scoring chances and that you have to be opportunist offensively and we're exposing our slow Dmen most of the time cause the other team have their own defensive zone + neutral zone to freely prepare their plays.

 

But one reason we we're SO awesome at scoring on the PK in the last few years is cause we'd breakout differently and try to score off the rush instead of slowing down (cause really our puck carrier always slow down when they get to the blue line unless they dump) to settle the play and bring everyone in. 

 

i also think thats one of the reasons Kovy left, with the talent he has and being ask to simply do the same play over and over (and not winning doing it anymore) the best Kovy plays were ALWAYS when we were down a goal late in a game and he'd take it uppon himself to create a scoring chance. He'd then make some crazy rush beating everyone and getting a shot on net 75% of the time he'd even try.

 

Kovy left to make more money with less effort.  That's it.


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Posted 23 October 2013 - 08:39 AM

Our main problem is our very strict system IMO. We can see the results pretty easily too. 

 

Very rarely you'll see our guys attempting a scoring chances off the rush they always go wide (by themselves even when they are not rush by the dman, as soon they get in the zone they mostly head towards the corner directly, or they dump to get get. Once we're there we have to get the puck to the point, which most of the time goes there to die cause most of our dman are not great offensively. I mean 90% of the time when the puck carrier is about to enter the offensive zone you can already tell nothing good is going to happen but everyone's positioning.

 

Most of the time on our dump in now we do not win the fights and the other team breakout freely with all our 3 forwards still behind the red line and most are slow so they can't backcheck and catch up. I mean... how often did we get burned being in the zone for awhile and booom easy tic-tac-toe breakout, goal straight off the rush? Thats a big reason why. And we've seen it so fvcking often.

 

So basically, we play a system where you're not creating good open scoring chances and that you have to be opportunist offensively and we're exposing our slow Dmen most of the time cause the other team have their own defensive zone + neutral zone to freely prepare their plays.

 

But one reason we we're SO awesome at scoring on the PK in the last few years is cause we'd breakout differently and try to score off the rush instead of slowing down (cause really our puck carrier always slow down when they get to the blue line unless they dump) to settle the play and bring everyone in. 

 

i also think thats one of the reasons Kovy left, with the talent he has and being ask to simply do the same play over and over (and not winning doing it anymore) the best Kovy plays were ALWAYS when we were down a goal late in a game and he'd take it uppon himself to create a scoring chance. He'd then make some crazy rush beating everyone and getting a shot on net 75% of the time he'd even try.

That really drives me nuts, especially with our group of D men......they arent great shooters

its basically a breakout the other way for the team we're playing against


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Posted 23 October 2013 - 08:50 AM

Very rarely you'll see our guys attempting a scoring chances off the rush they always go wide (by themselves even when they are not rush by the dman, as soon they get in the zone they mostly head towards the corner directly, or they dump to get get. Once we're there we have to get the puck to the point, which most of the time goes there to die cause most of our dman are not great offensively. I mean 90% of the time when the puck carrier is about to enter the offensive zone you can already tell nothing good is going to happen but everyone's positioning.

 

Malarkey.

 

 

 

 

Most of the time on our dump in now we do not win the fights and the other team breakout freely with all our 3 forwards still behind the red line and most are slow so they can't backcheck and catch up. I mean... how often did we get burned being in the zone for awhile and booom easy tic-tac-toe breakout, goal straight off the rush? Thats a big reason why. And we've seen it so fvcking often.

 

That hasn't happened in a few games.  That is a problem with the forwards' positioning and the Devils have worked out that kink to a large degree.  Their defense in the neutral zone has gotten much better.

 

 

 

So basically, we play a system where you're not creating good open scoring chances and that you have to be opportunist offensively and we're exposing our slow Dmen most of the time cause the other team have their own defensive zone + neutral zone to freely prepare their plays.

 

Again, bogus.  The Devils are trying to generate chances off transition - if they weren't they wouldn't have Tedenby in the lineup at all - they're just not very good at it.  They don't have the personnel that can do this consistently, but they manage to play a solid team game anyway.

 

But one reason we we're SO awesome at scoring on the PK in the last few years is cause we'd breakout differently and try to score off the rush instead of slowing down (cause really our puck carrier always slow down when they get to the blue line unless they dump) to settle the play and bring everyone in. 

 

 

 

i also think thats one of the reasons Kovy left, with the talent he has and being ask to simply do the same play over and over (and not winning doing it anymore) the best Kovy plays were ALWAYS when we were down a goal late in a game and he'd take it uppon himself to create a scoring chance. He'd then make some crazy rush beating everyone and getting a shot on net 75% of the time he'd even try.

 

Haha, yeah, this was definitely the best part of Kovalchuk's game was him trying to create scoring chances by himself.  Yeah, sometimes that worked, certainly he was capable of doing it sometimes, but most of the time it resulted in the puck on the opponent's stick.  It's nice to have a guy like that who can try that, but most of the time it didn't work.

 

Also Zajac is yanking everyone forward on his line, they are just not scoring.  It's what's happening right now - Harrold and Loktionov turn the puck over, Columbus gets a miracle shot in, Johnson is forced into a turnover by the ref, Zajac has it out in front and it doesn't go in.  There will be a point where it's the reverse happening, but it better start soon.

 

The third line was utter garbage again last night, 4th line wasn't very good either.  I think it's time for Josefson in for Loktionov again, sadly.  Tedenby had a classic Tedenby type game, makes a horrible turnover, creates 2 good chances and can't cash in, dunno if he'll stay in the lineup on the strength of last night.


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