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#21 hystyk28

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 02:37 PM

He has 0 range. Many times when he is out there PPss set up and move the puck around his area, because he has no range with his stick, takes up no space, and doesn't have the quickness to make up for this physical handicap. I notice teams actively targeting his area on the PP, because they are comfortable with his inability to pressure their lanes.

 

Gio needs Go Go Gadget arms if he is gonna play the kill.  I watched the Wild PP goal the other night and I think there were 3 times when his limited reach eliminated any chance of clearing the puck or breaking up a pass.

 

I am glad to see others get how teams just exploit these type of things.


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#22 NewarkDevil5

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 03:22 PM

Gio needs Go Go Gadget arms if he is gonna play the kill.  I watched the Wild PP goal the other night and I think there were 3 times when his limited reach eliminated any chance of clearing the puck or breaking up a pass.

 

I am glad to see others get how teams just exploit these type of things.

 

I'd really like to see Deboer start training Brunner at PK-ing. Once he'd break up a pass his speed would make him impossible to catch for shorthanded tries.


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Posted 05 November 2013 - 04:19 PM

I'd really like to see Deboer start training Brunner at PK-ing. Once he'd break up a pass his speed would make him impossible to catch for shorthanded tries.

Big N-O on that one. Brunner can't handle playing d 5 on 5, I don't want to see him on the PK. They'd have to work hard on that for a while before I felt comfortable.

Zajac, Elias, JJ, Zubrus, Bernier, Carter can all play just fine on the PK. That's 3 sets of forwards the team can utilize, no need to use Brunner and I really don't understand the need to use Gio on the PK.


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Posted 05 November 2013 - 04:25 PM

The only problem  I have with our 4th line is Gionta. He doesn't belong, period.


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#25 NewarkDevil5

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 04:37 PM

Big N-O on that one. Brunner can't handle playing d 5 on 5, I don't want to see him on the PK. They'd have to work hard on that for a while before I felt comfortable.

Zajac, Elias, JJ, Zubrus, Bernier, Carter can all play just fine on the PK. That's 3 sets of forwards the team can utilize, no need to use Brunner and I really don't understand the need to use Gio on the PK.

 

I've seen guys who had issues playing defensively 5-on-5 start getting penalty kill time and not only do they wind up doing well on PK, they start improving defensively at full strength. Case in points are Ilya Kovalchuk and Alexander Mogilny but there are several others that fit that description.


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Posted 05 November 2013 - 04:40 PM

It's -23 for a reason and that's because it asked to do way too much. My biggest fault with Deboer is his usage of the 4th line and the players. They have been seen against top lines from time to to time and continue to get burned. Plus Gionta is used on the PK, and he is a trainwreck there as well. 

 

That's not really true.  It's -23 because they have 1 goal combined in 12 games.  Now obviously Gionta is a terrible shooter so some of that is expected, but they have not been getting killed this year.


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Posted 05 November 2013 - 05:07 PM

That's not really true.  It's -23 because they have 1 goal combined in 12 games.  Now obviously Gionta is a terrible shooter so some of that is expected, but they have not been getting killed this year.

 

Are we talking -23 as being the sum total of their individual plus minuses or is that the +/- of the team while that line is on the ice?


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Posted 05 November 2013 - 05:18 PM

Are we talking -23 as being the sum total of their individual plus minuses or is that the +/- of the team while that line is on the ice?

 

Gionta's -6 is probably the closest reflection of what the "line's" +/- is.    But they have only scored one goal.


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Posted 05 November 2013 - 05:44 PM

Gionta's -6 is probably the closest reflection of what the "line's" +/- is.    But they have only scored one goal.

 

A goal against every other game isn't good as a fourth line, because you shouldn't be expecting your fourth line to score every other game to maintain an even rating.

 

To be fair, they've been put out there against competition that fourth lines shouldn't be expected to play against either. That's more on the coach than anything else.

 

Part of this team's problem is that it doesn't have a checking line. I really do think that when he gets back, Zajac should be given honest to goodness shutdown center duties. Tell him, we don't care if you score or not so long as the other guys don't. Slap Zubrus on the line with him and the same instructions.

 

I know having a checking line doesn't fit with Deboer's philosophy, but I think that is something he needs to adapt into the philosophy. Used to be that if the Devils got scored on it was by some no-name guy who hadn't ever scored a goal before. As maddening as that was, it was also why we won so much. We were shutting down the big guns. So what if every once in a while we got burned by an air rifle?

 

Now we're getting eaten alive by every star who comes to town. That means we're not working the right percentages. We're allowing the shots by the people who shoot well.


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Posted 05 November 2013 - 05:53 PM

The 4th line is at least decent at suppressing shots against, although they also play plenty against other 4th lines which no doubt affects their rates.  I doubt very much that other team's stars do significantly better against NJ than the rest of the league because the Devils suppress shots so well in general.


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Posted 05 November 2013 - 06:00 PM

The 4th line is at least decent at suppressing shots against, although they also play plenty against other 4th lines which no doubt affects their rates.  I doubt very much that other team's stars do significantly better against NJ than the rest of the league because the Devils suppress shots so well in general.

 

I'm not saying they're doing better against NJ than the rest of the league. I'm saying they used to do much worse against us and now they're starting to treat us just like any other team. That's the problem.


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Posted 05 November 2013 - 06:07 PM

I'm not saying they're doing better against NJ than the rest of the league. I'm saying they used to do much worse against us and now they're starting to treat us just like any other team. That's the problem.

 

Doubt that was ever the case, and indeed, NJ's shot rates against are comparable (though worse) to their best days.


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