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#221 Triumph

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 12:20 AM

I said 3 months from now

 

How can they be worse than right now, later?  They're starting to get goaltending, the defense is solid, and you can't lose every shootout.  It's one of maxpower's typical 'chance doesn't exist' viewpoints.

 

Tonight's game was enjoyable because NJ got a bunch of scoring chances - this wasn't a 19 shot affair.  The PP was horrible mostly, but oh well - hopefully Elias coming back fixes that a bit.


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Posted 09 November 2013 - 12:28 AM

3 out of 4 points on road games on back to back nights is pretty good. Should have come away with two points, but the team has been playing pretty good hockey for the last 3 weeks. A win against Nashville would complete a pretty damn solid weekend. 

 

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Schneider

Larsson

Jagr

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#223 Mike Brown

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 01:01 AM

I said 3 months from now

 

My bad.

 

4 points no? 

 

behind montreal no?

 

We're 3 points behind the Rags for 3rd place in the division.

 

How can they be worse than right now, later?  They're starting to get goaltending, the defense is solid, and you can't lose every shootout.  It's one of maxpower's typical 'chance doesn't exist' viewpoints.

 

Tonight's game was enjoyable because NJ got a bunch of scoring chances - this wasn't a 19 shot affair.  The PP was horrible mostly, but oh well - hopefully Elias coming back fixes that a bit.

 

Perfectly said Triumph.


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Posted 09 November 2013 - 01:09 AM

How can they be worse than right now, later?  They're starting to get goaltending, the defense is solid, and you can't lose every shootout.  It's one of maxpower's typical 'chance doesn't exist' viewpoints.

 

Tonight's game was enjoyable because NJ got a bunch of scoring chances - this wasn't a 19 shot affair.  The PP was horrible mostly, but oh well - hopefully Elias coming back fixes that a bit.

 

Put simply, they cannot score.   This is the team that will put fenwick and corsi in their graves.

 

They're starting this year where they left off last season.    No 5 on 5 scoring to speak off and no ability to win a game that lasts longer than 60 minutes.   In this format that isn't completely the end of the world, but still...   they have no go to guy, no finisher.   You look at the Leafs game and Kessel gets that one good chance and there's a goal.    You watch the Devils play and they control and can't score.   You can say that's bad luck and the numbers should even out, but the problem is they don't have those one or two guys that will consistently score.

 

That and they have a "doom switch" portion of the schedule coming up.   I am loathe to go out to California.   So games like this are frustrating when you have a game that plays out as a win on paper, but turns out to be a point.


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Posted 09 November 2013 - 01:30 AM

Put simply, they cannot score.   This is the team that will put fenwick and corsi in their graves.

 

They're starting this year where they left off last season.    No 5 on 5 scoring to speak off and no ability to win a game that lasts longer than 60 minutes.   In this format that isn't completely the end of the world, but still...   they have no go to guy, no finisher.   You look at the Leafs game and Kessel gets that one good chance and there's a goal.    You watch the Devils play and they control and can't score.   You can say that's bad luck and the numbers should even out, but the problem is they don't have those one or two guys that will consistently score.

 

That and they have a "doom switch" portion of the schedule coming up.   I am loathe to go out to California.   So games like this are frustrating when you have a game that plays out as a win on paper, but turns out to be a point.

 

No one has 'one or two guys that will consistently score'.  Consistent scoring is a myth.  That aside, the Devils aren't actually playing that great 5 on 5 so far this season (although tonight was pretty darn good).  

 

Shootout ability is ridiculously transient.  Overtime ability is ridiculously transient.  These are things subject to enormous doses of chance.

 

They're going to get more goals.  We know this.  We know this because teams don't sustain this shooting percentage over a full season.  Not expansion teams, not horrendous teams who might've been worse.  So we know the scoring will improve.  The trouble lately is that their best guys aren't getting enough shots - Ryder is a finisher and he's getting 1 shot a game.  Henrique's shot rate is way down.  You can go down the roster and mostly it's a lot of guys who just aren't getting enough pucks on net.  If these guys can start to pick it up shots-wise, and the Devils can move from being a 52% outshooting team to 56-57% when Elias comes back, it can be a team that gets enough goals to win games, if they get the goaltending.


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Posted 09 November 2013 - 01:57 AM

We need goal scoring.. BAD.  It's just become laughable.  


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Posted 09 November 2013 - 04:03 AM

Why can't guys like JVR and Patrick kane come "home" to play :(

I've always said that motherfcuk van Riemsdyk needs to play here. Some guys I played with in high school knew him and played against him back in the day. I've never heard him even hint at it though.
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Posted 09 November 2013 - 06:53 AM

Since we are so bad on the shoot out maybe the devils try some different shooters. Maybe this is where Tedenby can shine.
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Posted 09 November 2013 - 07:20 AM

A point is a point. 3 out of third spot in the division. 


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Posted 09 November 2013 - 08:11 AM

The only negative in that game for me was zidlicky. I know it will never happen but if I was the coach he is quickly playing himself off of the pp. he's absolutely horrendous gaining the zone and he's the one they rely in to do that about 75% if the time.

I swear with him it's either an offside or bad dump in that's immediately cleared every time.

Also volchenkov has to clear the puck in that pk don't be chipping it trying to get a Steven gionta short handed chance just clear the damn puck.
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Posted 09 November 2013 - 08:23 AM

Put simply, they cannot score.   This is the team that will put fenwick and corsi in their graves.

 

Well them and Toronto jointly - on both ends of the spectrum :P

 

 

Shootout ability is ridiculously transient.  Overtime ability is ridiculously transient.  These are things subject to enormous doses of chance.

 

The hideous shootouts are just emblematic of this team's lack of offensive firepower in total.  

 

No they shouldn't be 0-for-the season in the shootout but they really aren't that great at it anymore and running the same people out time after time isn't helping, especially Ryder.  He's like 6-37 career in the shootout yet they keep putting him out there.  They might as well put Jagr out even though he isn't much better in it at this point, maybe he can intimidate the other goalie into ****ing up.  

 

How is overtime up to chance?  Especially when the Devils would rather give Zubrus and other slowpokes shifts and leave their fastest skater (Tedenby) on the bench.  I'm probably his biggest skeptic here but if you're not going to let Tedenby skate when it's 4-on-4 and you're not 'losing' anything (especially when the shootout's basically a guaranteed non-point) then what's the point of having him in the lineup at all?


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Posted 09 November 2013 - 08:30 AM

Because the idea of the shootout as a non-point is absurd, and Tedenby can't cover his man 4 on 4.  Though Zubrus was awful in OT, can't deny that

 

Overtime has skill involved, but do you honestly think there are teams who are a 75% favorite over another in OT?  Of course not.  


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Posted 09 November 2013 - 08:41 AM

Brian Rolston was known for just letting it rip in the shootout.  I would not be opposed to this.

agree with both of you, put him in and slap it from the slot


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Posted 09 November 2013 - 08:41 AM

Love last night game... We got a point, but again we dont score goals...

 

Guys like zajac, loktionov, Brunner, Zubrus need to start scoring if we want to be a playoff team


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Posted 09 November 2013 - 08:44 AM

I said 3 months from now


You mean from the thought process of dropping points now is going to kill us later?
Happy to get somewhat of a point streak going. Baby steps guys. We will start getting results playing lockdown defense. Wanted to see more point shots with traffic in this one
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Posted 09 November 2013 - 09:28 AM

You mean from the thought process of dropping points now is going to kill us later?
Happy to get somewhat of a point streak going. Baby steps guys. We will start getting results playing lockdown defense. Wanted to see more point shots with traffic in this one

 

What results are they going to get the next eight games with this offense?  We should have been shut out three of the last four games and now we've got this lovely schedule on the docket:

 

Nashville Sunday, at Rangers (who've done a complete turnaround) Tuesday, Kings Friday, Pens Saturday, at Anaheim on the 20th, at LA on the 21st, at San Jose on the 23rd and then even after the West Coast trip of doom they have to run home and play the Jets just two nights later, and the Jets have owned us with their speed the last two years even when we're not trip-lagged.  Tomorrow is ginormous, they have to win that or they could really be buried by Thanksgiving.  They might be buried even with a win against the Preds over the next seven.  The best case you can really see in that stretch is maybe one win and two more SO losses.


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Posted 09 November 2013 - 09:49 AM

Love last night game... We got a point, but again we dont score goals...
 
Guys like zajac, loktionov, Brunner, Zubrus need to start scoring if we want to be a playoff team

what happened to this guy brunner he started off on fire and now hes the invisible man.. i hope he doesnt end up being as useless as he looks lately
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Posted 09 November 2013 - 09:50 AM

What results are they going to get the next eight games with this offense? We should have been shut out three of the last four games and now we've got this lovely schedule on the docket:

Nashville Sunday, at Rangers (who've done a complete turnaround) Tuesday, Kings Friday, Pens Saturday, at Anaheim on the 20th, at LA on the 21st, at San Jose on the 23rd and then even after the West Coast trip of doom they have to run home and play the Jets just two nights later, and the Jets have owned us with their speed the last two years even when we're not trip-lagged. Tomorrow is ginormous, they have to win that or they could really be buried by Thanksgiving. They might be buried even with a win against the Preds over the next seven. The best case you can really see in that stretch is maybe one win and two more SO losses.


Jesus Has, lol you're really in full doomsday preparation. Just have to believe in how strong they've been playing defense lately that the goals will come. Offense comes from good defense and they are playing it right now. Plus let's see how they look with patty back before we write them off
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Posted 09 November 2013 - 09:59 AM

what happened to this guy brunner he started off on fire and now hes the invisible man.. i hope he doesnt end up being as useless as he looks
lately


Brunner had a better game. 4 shots it's nothing to sneeze at
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Posted 09 November 2013 - 10:16 AM

what happened to this guy brunner he started off on fire and now hes the invisible man.. i hope he doesnt end up being as useless as he looks lately

 

Brunner is a streaky player.  We're gonna have to live with it.  I haven't seen many games where I didn't notice him.


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