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#41 ATLL765

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Posted 12 November 2013 - 03:38 PM

Love how everyone is on the NEVER TRADE LARSSON boat now. Just the way it should have always been.


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Posted 12 November 2013 - 03:44 PM

Love how everyone is on the NEVER TRADE LARSSON boat now. Just the way it should have always been.


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Posted 12 November 2013 - 04:09 PM

Not even for Sidney Crosby?

That would never in a 1000 years happen. I meant more in the sense that it's highly unlikely that a deal would present itself where we get the better end if it involves trading Larsson. No one can ever really be untouchable if you want to be a smart GM, but some guys should not be moved unless you're really getting a deal and I think Larsson is that kind of player.


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Posted 12 November 2013 - 04:14 PM

Love how everyone is on the NEVER TRADE LARSSON boat now. Just the way it should have always been.

 

I was just about to mention this.  2-4 weeks ago, half the board was declaring Larsson a bust and now all of the sudden the thought of trading him for a #1 draft pick is unimaginable.


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Posted 12 November 2013 - 04:34 PM

I was just about to mention this. 2-4 weeks ago, half the board was declaring Larsson a bust and now all of the sudden the thought of trading him for a #1 draft pick is unimaginable.

I've only been a poster here for about a month after lurking a while and one if the reasons I started to post was precisely because I thought many here were down on Larsson too much.

I think most logical fans still realize we were very fortunate to nab him in that draft after winning the lotto in the only year we were eligible for it in 15 years.
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Posted 12 November 2013 - 04:44 PM

Love how everyone is on the NEVER TRADE LARSSON boat now. Just the way it should have always been.

 

I wouldn't say that, I just wouldn't trade him for Yakupov, in that the latter is flashing plenty of warning signs himself.

 

To put it in perspective, I would trade Larsson for Galchenyuk in a second, but would probably be laughed at by the Canadians.


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Posted 12 November 2013 - 05:18 PM

I wouldn't say that, I just wouldn't trade him for Yakupov, in that the latter is flashing plenty of warning signs himself.

To put it in perspective, I would trade Larsson for Galchenyuk in a second, but would probably be laughed at by the Canadians.


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Posted 12 November 2013 - 05:39 PM

Nice to see that the anti-Russia bias is alive and well.. You guys would turn down Ovechkin and Datsyuk because of "KHL flight risk" I'm sure..

 

I've been reading your rants on the forums and the chat room for two years now about how we're stacked on defensive prospects and how Larsson has been underperforming. Our team has been, and still is, offensively neutered since we lost Zach (and even more so when Kovy was out). Yet you're telling be you wouldn't give up one of those defensive prospects for Yakupov?? A runaway 1st overall pick with obvious elite offensive talents, which clearly is *exactly* what this team needs? 

 

Someone already said it; defense can be taught. Offense, at this level, is more about natural ability and talent.

 

I wouldn't worry though, there's no way the Oilers deal Yak for Larsson.


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Posted 12 November 2013 - 06:24 PM

Nice to see that the anti-Russia bias is alive and well.. You guys would turn down Ovechkin and Datsyuk because of "KHL flight risk" I'm sure..

I've been reading your rants on the forums and the chat room for two years now about how we're stacked on defensive prospects and how Larsson has been underperforming. Our team has been, and still is, offensively neutered since we lost Zach (and even more so when Kovy was out). Yet you're telling be you wouldn't give up one of those defensive prospects for Yakupov?? A runaway 1st overall pick with obvious elite offensive talents, which clearly is *exactly* what this team needs?

Someone already said it; defense can be taught. Offense, at this level, is more about natural ability and talent.

I wouldn't worry though, there's no way the Oilers deal Yak for Larsson.

where in this thread was there an anti-Russian bias? Several posters expressed interest in yakopov but said they wouldn't trade Larsson for him.

It's irresponsible to generalize and say "you" or "the board" pumps up our defensive prospects and knock Larsson... In fact there may only be a few select posters who feel this way.

And Edmonton is a perfect example of why Larsson should be kept. For years they've been pumping in young offensive talent but cannot find a defensive stud. We have what looks to be one, so I'm glad to keep him and take my chances finding wingers through fa.

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Posted 12 November 2013 - 06:26 PM

Ovechkin has a long contract and Datsyuk just resigned here.  Meanwhile Yakupov has no reason to stay here - if he doesn't like where he's playing, at the end of his contract, he can just bounce.  If he thinks he's being mistreated or underpaid, nothing keeping him here besides the allure of playing in the NHL.

 

As for Yakupov's offensive talent, clearly he's got a tremendous shot, but his shot rate so far in the NHL is rather underwhelming.  I think he'll turn out to be quite a good player, but I'm not convinced at all that he will be a star.

 

I don't think Larsson will be a star either, but as I said upthread, when you look at Swedish contracts and Russian contracts, there is a stark difference in value, and I don't like the idea of critical players having other avenues they can seek out, especially not when Yakupov is a disaster in the defensive zone and would not fit at all into DeBoer's system.  So no, I wouldn't make that trade, even though I think Yakupov will most likely turn out better than Larsson. 


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Posted 12 November 2013 - 06:47 PM

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Posted 12 November 2013 - 07:18 PM

Well he wants to play in Edmonton. There not done dealing though so we'll see what they do. But he isn't worth larsson. No way.
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Posted 12 November 2013 - 10:25 PM

Nice to see that the anti-Russia bias is alive and well.. You guys would turn down Ovechkin and Datsyuk because of "KHL flight risk" I'm sure..

 

I've been reading your rants on the forums and the chat room for two years now about how we're stacked on defensive prospects and how Larsson has been underperforming. Our team has been, and still is, offensively neutered since we lost Zach (and even more so when Kovy was out). Yet you're telling be you wouldn't give up one of those defensive prospects for Yakupov?? A runaway 1st overall pick with obvious elite offensive talents, which clearly is *exactly* what this team needs? 

 

Someone already said it; defense can be taught. Offense, at this level, is more about natural ability and talent.

 

I wouldn't worry though, there's no way the Oilers deal Yak for Larsson.

It's not anti-Russian bias to acknowledge that a player from Russia, whose style of play may be better suited for the KHL, and who has proved difficult to coach, might want to go back to Russia when his contract expires in the very near future. No one here said they wouldn't take Datsyuk. I think all of us would take Datsyuk in a heartbeat.

 

There are real instances of anti-Russian bias: any time someone claims a Russian is soft, even though Kovalchuk and Ovechkin are both physical players who take long shifts; someone who would actually turn down Datsyuk (Ovechkin different story, as I'm not sure he's a great fit for the system); concern about giving the C to a Russian (or other European for that matter). Acknowledging that a Russian player, especially one who is picking up a reputation as a malcontent, might want to go back to Russia, and not wanting to make a deal for him, especially as the franchise is in rebuilding mode to some degree, at least at forward, because the guy who was supposed to be the cornerstone left the country is not bias. It's having a grip on reality.


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