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#1 SterioDesign

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Posted 12 November 2013 - 11:51 AM

per John Shannon

 

Hearing some GMs are going to propose a tweak in the playoff format today.Trying to use divisional rivalries more,rather than cross-over.

 

Interesting. I wonder if it would be on how teams makes the playoffs like top 4 teams in each divisions or if its simply who plays who in the playoffs

 

 


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Posted 12 November 2013 - 12:06 PM

Between terrible officiating and ridiculous realignment, his league is turning itself into a joke fast.

There was nothing wrong with the playoff format, even non hockey fans would concede it was one of the most exciting sporting events.

Now it just gets muddled, less streamlined, and forced rivalries will become boring fast.

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Posted 12 November 2013 - 12:19 PM

well im not for all those changes but having the top 4 spots making it could be useful for us 


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Posted 12 November 2013 - 12:19 PM

Shouldn't they wait for one of these to be played before tweaking it?


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Posted 12 November 2013 - 12:24 PM

Shouldn't they wait for one of these to be played before tweaking it?

it just goes to show that there was very little thought put into this. All they do is look at ratings for a series like flyers-pens in 2012 and say "zomg we need to force more of these matchups!"

Next thing you know after 5 years they'll be clamoring to change it again because it will get stale fast and balance of power will have changed between several teams, creating better possible rivalries.

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Posted 12 November 2013 - 12:27 PM

Here's my answer to the it will create rivalries. Do the Rangers and Capitals have this intense rivalry meeting in the playoffs how many times recently? Rivalries are created by geographical boarders or by chance. Unless you meet a team in the playoffs in the later rounds (conference finals and such) you can't build it from just having them play alot in the playoffs


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Posted 12 November 2013 - 12:28 PM

If it's the top 4 teams in each division, that only helps the Devils!
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Posted 12 November 2013 - 12:29 PM

No way they can do this at mid-season.  At best, it would be considered for next year.

 

Obviously standings will change significantly through the season, but imagine telling 5th place Montreal (19 pts) and 6th place Ottawa (18 pts) in mid-season that now one of them has to finish at least 4th because Carolina would make it instead of them.  Because everyone would much rather see #4 Carolina vs. #1 Pittsburgh instead of Montreal vs. Pittsburgh.  :doh1:


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#9 maxpower

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Posted 12 November 2013 - 12:35 PM

No way they can do this at mid-season.  At best, it would be considered for next year.

 

Obviously standings will change significantly through the season, but imagine telling 5th place Montreal (19 pts) and 6th place Ottawa (18 pts) in mid-season that now one of them has to finish at least 4th because Carolina would make it instead of them.  Because everyone would much rather see #4 Carolina vs. #1 Pittsburgh instead of Montreal vs. Pittsburgh.  :doh1:

 

Yeah, it's definitely for next season but it just makes them look stupid to want to "fix" something before it's even happened.


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Posted 12 November 2013 - 12:49 PM

Between terrible officiating and ridiculous realignment, his league is turning itself into a joke fast.

There was nothing wrong with the playoff format, even non hockey fans would concede it was one of the most exciting sporting events.

Now it just gets muddled, less streamlined, and forced rivalries will become boring fast.

 

Boston-Montreal, Edmonton-Calgary, Montreal-Quebec, Washington-Pittsburgh, Detroit-StLouis, Detroit-Chicago, Isles-Rags, Edmonton-Los Angeles were all rivalries born from divisional playoffs, and they were never, ever forced or boring. And I'm sure there were others I'm not thinking of from that great 1981-1993 run of Norris, Smythe, Adams, Patrick division playoffs.


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Posted 12 November 2013 - 12:54 PM

Boston-Montreal, Edmonton-Calgary, Montreal-Quebec, Washington-Pittsburgh, Detroit-StLouis, Detroit-Chicago, Isles-Rags, Edmonton-Los Angeles were all rivalries born from divisional playoffs, and they were never, ever forced or boring. And I'm sure there were others I'm not thinking of from that great 1981-1993 run of Norris, Smythe, Adams, Patrick division playoffs.

 

Most of these are geographic rivalries that would have taken place otherwise.   Boston/Montreal is old school and has nothing to do with the playoffs in the 80's.   Edmonton/LA was because of a trade.    If Sidney Crosby got traded to say, Buffalo, the Sabres and Penguins are going to have a heated rivalry.  That's how it goes


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Posted 12 November 2013 - 01:13 PM

Boston-Montreal, Edmonton-Calgary, Montreal-Quebec, Washington-Pittsburgh, Detroit-StLouis, Detroit-Chicago, Isles-Rags, Edmonton-Los Angeles were all rivalries born from divisional playoffs, and they were never, ever forced or boring. And I'm sure there were others I'm not thinking of from that great 1981-1993 run of Norris, Smythe, Adams, Patrick division playoffs.

most of those rivalries continued into the expansion period anyways.

Maybe I'm in the minority but I don't want to play the flyers, penguins rangers and islanders in first and second round matchups every year, year after year. Never mind the caps jackets and hurricanes.

The league is simultaneously trying to expand the schedule where every team sees each other twice but then come the playoffs you're locked into the same five or six teams. It's a dual message that makes no sense.
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Posted 12 November 2013 - 01:33 PM

Most of these are geographic rivalries that would have taken place otherwise.   Boston/Montreal is old school and has nothing to do with the playoffs in the 80's.   Edmonton/LA was because of a trade.    If Sidney Crosby got traded to say, Buffalo, the Sabres and Penguins are going to have a heated rivalry.  That's how it goes

 

Boston-Montreal played 9 straight seasons in the playoffs from 1984-1992 and then again in 1994. That's the kind of thing that builds a rivalry. Their rivalry began because of their repeated playoff matchups way back in the leagues infancy. Same with Montreal and Detroit in the late 50's, where they played each other in the finals almost every year.

 

The Miracle on Manchester happened long before the Gretzky trade, as did their series in 85 and 87. That trade added notoriety when they played each other in 1989, and they played each other in 90, 91, and 92, and the Kings knocked the Oilers out of contention in 93 in the regular season.

 

These were all rivalries that got to build and escalate because of matchups happening every year. Geographical rivalries occur BECAUSE they are in the same division, which leads to repeated games and a familiarity. Detroit-Colorado was one of the biggest rivalries of the post-divisional playoff era, and it was because they played each other in 96, 97, 99, 00, 02, etc, and it got bigger as it went. They have no proximity. Geography doesn't mean much to the players on the ice. Geography is more of a rivalry for fans.


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Posted 12 November 2013 - 01:44 PM

talking about rivalry, my blackhawks fan buddy was arguing with me the other day that Blackhawks/Cannucks had a better rivalry than Devils/Rangers... lol how cute


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Posted 12 November 2013 - 01:47 PM

Boston-Montreal played 9 straight seasons in the playoffs from 1984-1992 and then again in 1994. That's the kind of thing that builds a rivalry. Their rivalry began because of their repeated playoff matchups way back in the leagues infancy. Same with Montreal and Detroit in the late 50's, where they played each other in the finals almost every year.

 

The Miracle on Manchester happened long before the Gretzky trade, as did their series in 85 and 87. That trade added notoriety when they played each other in 1989, and they played each other in 90, 91, and 92, and the Kings knocked the Oilers out of contention in 93 in the regular season.

 

These were all rivalries that got to build and escalate because of matchups happening every year. Geographical rivalries occur BECAUSE they are in the same division, which leads to repeated games and a familiarity. Detroit-Colorado was one of the biggest rivalries of the post-divisional playoff era, and it was because they played each other in 96, 97, 99, 00, 02, etc, and it got bigger as it went. They have no proximity. Geography doesn't mean much to the players on the ice. Geography is more of a rivalry for fans.

 

My point was these were all things that would happen eventually.   Boston and Montreal would have a rivalry whether they played 9 out of 10 years or 1 out of 10 years.

 

I'm willing to give this mess a go, but that they want to edit it before it's happened makes me think we'll be going back to 5 times 6 and open playoffs in two years anyway.


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Posted 12 November 2013 - 02:08 PM

My point was these were all things that would happen eventually. Boston and Montreal would have a rivalry whether they played 9 out of 10 years or 1 out of 10 years.

I'm willing to give this mess a go, but that they want to edit it before it's happened makes me think we'll be going back to 5 times 6 and open playoffs in two years anyway.

I don't think there is anyway they are going back to six divisions, certainly not until two more western teams are added.

The playoff format will probably stick for a while and after a few years they will either realize that forced rivalries are not good for the sport or the forced rivalries will continue to draw ratings that it will be a cash cow the nhl won't want to give up.
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Posted 12 November 2013 - 02:18 PM

talking about rivalry, my blackhawks fan buddy was arguing with me the other day that Blackhawks/Cannucks had a better rivalry than Devils/Rangers... lol how cute

 

I'll give him Chicago-Detroit being up to par with a Rangers-Devils rivalry, but definitely not Vancouver-Chicago, what a joke..


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Posted 12 November 2013 - 02:27 PM

I don't think there is anyway they are going back to six divisions, certainly not until two more western teams are added.

The playoff format will probably stick for a while and after a few years they will either realize that forced rivalries are not good for the sport or the forced rivalries will continue to draw ratings that it will be a cash cow the nhl won't want to give up.

 

It's only a two year trial.


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Posted 12 November 2013 - 02:35 PM

It's only a two year trial.

do have a link for this? are you referring to realignment as a whole or just the playoffs?

I was under the impression that Detroit and Columbus are in the east for good.

Edit : I forgot the nhlpa's approval was only for three seasons. I somehow doubt that it will revert back so long as the league wants it the same.

Edited by dmann422, 12 November 2013 - 02:39 PM.

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Posted 12 November 2013 - 02:39 PM

Isn't this about the re-seeding? So teams don't end up in the other division-thingmabob?


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