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#41 dmann422

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 01:04 PM

Lol at Janssen scoring on Marty during shoot out practice. Put him has the anchor next time Pete!

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 01:07 PM

Patty rules.

 

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 03:00 PM

Thank you Patty. Not that I needed vindication on my Kovy argument, but to hear it echoed by the leader on this team speaks volumes.

He is dead on about Clarkson too.
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Posted 14 November 2013 - 03:32 PM

Still funny though.

 

I'll obviously get ripped for saying this by the same usual 3-4 guys, but when Patty says something most people agree with here he's the fvcking man and we praise him, but when he says he's not supporting Lou's way of not talking during the season then "he just like to rant" and his opinion doesnt matter then.

 

Also glad the leader of this team is agreeing with me.


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 04:31 PM

Still funny though.

I'll obviously get ripped for saying this by the same usual 3-4 guys, but when Patty says something most people agree with here he's the fvcking man and we praise him, but when he says he's not supporting Lou's way of not talking during the season then "he just like to rant" and his opinion doesnt matter then.

Also glad the leader of this team is agreeing with me.


Yep Patty said he didn't like it and then promptly re-signed. Twice.
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Posted 14 November 2013 - 04:32 PM

Still funny though.

 

I'll obviously get ripped for saying this by the same usual 3-4 guys, but when Patty says something most people agree with here he's the fvcking man and we praise him, but when he says he's not supporting Lou's way of not talking during the season then "he just like to rant" and his opinion doesnt matter then.

 

Also glad the leader of this team is agreeing with me.

 

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 04:37 PM

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So, um, what record did he shatter?


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 04:39 PM

Ahhhhh I love you Patty
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Posted 14 November 2013 - 04:52 PM

I hope Patty plays next game.............and OUR SCHEDULE SUCKS this season


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 05:21 PM

Thank you Patty. Not that I needed vindication on my Kovy argument, but to hear it echoed by the leader on this team speaks volumes.

He is dead on about Clarkson too.

 

You do need vindication and that vindicates nothing. I like Elias a lot, but he's always had some issues with Kovy. And again, while Kovalchuk was the Devils best player (while injured) in their Cup run (the only time they made it out of the 2nd round in a decade), Elias was an absolute ghost and finished 10th in scoring. He was also non-existent in the 2009 and 2010 playoffs.

 

So you can talk about playing at both ends and playing a team system, but you can also talk about results too. Kovalchuk was playing so well that no one had to notice Elias was struggling. The Devils with Kovalchuk got back to the Cup Finals where all the Stevens/Niedermayer-less teams could not.

 

And that's the thing...hate on Kovalchuk for leaving or quitting...hate on the contract given out, but at no point should anyone be arguing the team is better playing a team system with 12 system players or what and not with a player or two with Kovalchuk's skills. You can talk about what the team can do with that money when it is on a budget and Kovy is making 11+ million, sure, but why applaud Elias for talking sh!t about Kovy. Like I said the first time, maybe this is taken out of context, and he said many positive things.

 

Kovalchuk did his thing and made plays. I'll just remember the 2012 playoffs and game 6 against Florida when Kovalchuk got the puck and was considered so dangerous that when he cut in to the center of the ice, two Panthers went to him and he found Zajac with a nice pass for the OT winner. Or Game 3 against the Flyers in OT where he made a hell of a play catching the Flyers changing and finding Pony with a perfect pass. Game 5 against the Rangers. The Devils were imploding in the pivotal game, and Kovy made a huge play forechecking hard on the GWG by Carter...and Game 6 ...his ridiculous finish on the 2nd goal and of course the GWG goal jamming like crazy at the loose puck before Henrique found it for the open net.

 

If he stayed 5 more years...10 more years, there might have been some bad, but I bet a lot of good as well...pretty much like his stay here. But the good was awesome. 

 

As for the Clarkson stuff...it's pretty spot on, and I think most people thought the same in the organization, but I bet a bunch were happy for him. I don't think Elias was.


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 06:07 PM

 

 

So you can talk about playing at both ends and playing a team system, but you can also talk about results too. Kovalchuk was playing so well that no one had to notice Elias was struggling. The Devils with Kovalchuk got back to the Cup Finals where all the Stevens/Niedermayer-less teams could not.

 

And that's the thing...hate on Kovalchuk for leaving or quitting...hate on the contract given out, but at no point should anyone be arguing the team is better playing a team system with 12 system players or what and not with a player or two with Kovalchuk's skills. You can talk about what the team can do with that money when it is on a budget and Kovy is making 11+ million, sure, but why applaud Elias for talking sh!t about Kovy. Like I said the first time, maybe this is taken out of context, and he said many positive things.

 

Kovalchuk did his thing and made plays. I'll just remember the 2012 playoffs and game 6 against Florida when Kovalchuk got the puck and was considered so dangerous that when he cut in to the center of the ice, two Panthers went to him and he found Zajac with a nice pass for the OT winner. Or Game 3 against the Flyers in OT where he made a hell of a play catching the Flyers changing and finding Pony with a perfect pass. Game 5 against the Rangers. The Devils were imploding in the pivotal game, and Kovy made a huge play forechecking hard on the GWG by Carter...and Game 6 ...his ridiculous finish on the 2nd goal and of course the GWG goal jamming like crazy at the loose puck before Henrique found it for the open net.

 

If he stayed 5 more years...10 more years, there might have been some bad, but I bet a lot of good as well...pretty much like his stay here. But the good was awesome. 

 

As for the Clarkson stuff...it's pretty spot on, and I think most people thought the same in the organization, but I bet a bunch were happy for him. I don't think Elias was.

 

Good points.

I'm not a Kovalchuk fan but I agree. If it's all about winning than Kovalchuk did his job that year.


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 06:21 PM

The Kovalchuk argument is so tired. I fail to see where  he wasn't great for this team- he got us within 2 wins of the Stanley Cup, and was an enormous reason we beat the New York fvckin rangers in the ECF. To say he was anything but great for the franchise WHILE HE WAS HERE is incorrect. The future, that huge contract and those numerous years, you can debate that all you want. But it's simply wrong to say the Devils would have been better off without him.


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 06:22 PM

He had his one decent season, he gone. We are better off and will be more competitive moving forward. We can get back to winning now.
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Posted 14 November 2013 - 06:44 PM

The Kovalchuk argument is so tired. I fail to see where  he wasn't great for this team- he got us within 2 wins of the Stanley Cup, and was an enormous reason we beat the New York fvckin rangers in the ECF. To say he was anything but great for the franchise WHILE HE WAS HERE is incorrect. The future, that huge contract and those numerous years, you can debate that all you want. But it's simply wrong to say the Devils would have been better off without him.

IMO they are better off without him in the very near future. They're able to start developing guys who fit the system while Elias is still here. They have cap space to make reasonable signings. Losing Kovalchuk hurts us a lot this year, but I think it helps us within three years, and losing Kovalchuk now is much better than losing him a couple years from now, or keeping him for much of that contract. Hopefully, Lou and DeBoer do a good job with the rebuild.


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 06:49 PM

The Kovalchuk argument is so tired. I fail to see where  he wasn't great for this team- he got us within 2 wins of the Stanley Cup, and was an enormous reason we beat the New York fvckin rangers in the ECF. To say he was anything but great for the franchise WHILE HE WAS HERE is incorrect. The future, that huge contract and those numerous years, you can debate that all you want. But it's simply wrong to say the Devils would have been better off without him.

 

People ignore 2010-11 and while he was far from the only thing wrong, he had 9 goals and 11 assists in 2010 through 36 games, while playing 22 minutes a game and both ends of the power play.  That is insanely awful for a guy who is not good at defense.  

 

2012-13 was also ugly, though not that level of ugly.  Devil fans don't really have context because their best players have typically played around 19 minutes a game, so his bulk stats look good, but they weren't.


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 06:52 PM

People ignore 2010-11 and while he was far from the only thing wrong, he had 9 goals and 11 assists in 2010 through 36 games, while playing 22 minutes a game and both ends of the power play.  That is insanely awful for a guy who is not good at defense.  

 

2012-13 was also ugly, though not that level of ugly.  Devil fans don't really have context because their best players have typically played around 19 minutes a game, so his bulk stats look good, but they weren't.

But without Kovalchuk, the Devils are at-best a second round exit. I doubt very seriously you believe they would have come that close to the Stanley Cup if Ilya wasn't a Devil.


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 06:54 PM

Martyb. If someone like Elias says that about kovy then its true. Not from someone who isn't on the ice or locker room making assumptions.
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Posted 14 November 2013 - 07:01 PM

People ignore 2010-11 and while he was far from the only thing wrong, he had 9 goals and 11 assists in 2010 through 36 games, while playing 22 minutes a game and both ends of the power play.  That is insanely awful for a guy who is not good at defense.  

 

2012-13 was also ugly, though not that level of ugly.  Devil fans don't really have context because their best players have typically played around 19 minutes a game, so his bulk stats look good, but they weren't.

 

In bold....that was not the tune you were singing at the time.  I remember you pretty much refusing to take Kovy to task for anything back then...all you were basically saying was that his lousy numbers were a result of the team dragging him down (you also changed your definition of what you thought he should be multiple times that season).  Not too many people thought much of Kovy's 2010-11 season overall...they were optimistic that his second half might lead to some good things, but most fans weren't trying to spin Kovy's 31 goal, 60 point campaign as a good year.


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 07:42 PM

In bold....that was not the tune you were singing at the time.  I remember you pretty much refusing to take Kovy to task for anything back then...all you were basically saying was that his lousy numbers were a result of the team dragging him down (you also changed your definition of what you thought he should be multiple times that season).  Not too many people thought much of Kovy's 2010-11 season overall...they were optimistic that his second half might lead to some good things, but most fans weren't trying to spin Kovy's 31 goal, 60 point campaign as a good year.

 

My guess is that I chalked it up to bad luck, which was certainly a big part of why he struggled, but he didn't fully ever turn it around that year despite the clutch goal scoring.  I don't think people were trying to spin it as a good year, but it's certainly not one.  Nor was his 2012-13.  I just feel like people focus on the Cup run, where Kovalchuk certainly played as well as can be expected given his injury, but I have no idea what the Devils are without Kovalchuk in those 3 years - they certainly would've spent the money on other things (at least in 2011-12), it's questionable on what.


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 08:30 PM

people throwing hats on the ice for his first goal as a devil, haha what


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