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#141 Devilsfan118

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 10:13 AM

How many games can we go here before the team's lack of scoring in front of Schneider is no longer a coincidence?  I've heard mumblings that Marty's stickhandling helps the offense breakout (which is plausible, I suppose) but it just seems odd they can't score more than a goal when Cory's in net.

 

I've lost track at this point, but I don't think Schneider's faced significantly tougher competition in all of his games..has he?


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Posted 18 November 2013 - 10:15 AM

No one has said we'd be fine.  Well maybe some people did, but I know I didn't.  I said this team will struggle to score, and it is doing that.  It was also doing that last year with Kovalchuk, so there isn't much of a change.  What I also said is that this team would have a tremendous defense and it has also had that.  The real issue has been the shootout/OT, because they need those extra points - win two of those and they're sitting at 9-8-3, not above NHL .500 but above .500.  


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Posted 18 November 2013 - 10:20 AM

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 10:23 AM

Oh, no!  I've been hoist my own petard!  I say to you:  I've been Sagely Japed, Poster!

 

Did you see - Statement Just Previous to the comment of being 'fine' - that the PP is still a disaster?  And that that alone is capsizing the offense?


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Posted 18 November 2013 - 10:23 AM

How many games can we go here before the team's lack of scoring in front of Schneider is no longer a coincidence?  I've heard mumblings that Marty's stickhandling helps the offense breakout (which is plausible, I suppose) but it just seems odd they can't score more than a goal when Cory's in net.

 

I've lost track at this point, but I don't think Schneider's faced significantly tougher competition in all of his games..has he?

 

Brodeur's stickhandling is a nice thing to have. In past years I wouldn't say that, but it really seems he has been more responsible for the most part with his passes. I've seen less plays this year where he fires it past the defender, and it's too tough for the forward to handle near the blue line. It's like the entire team had an itnervention with him, Besides a few plays where he has fumbled the puck, he's been great.

 

Hard to quantify what it does offensively or defensively (doubt much offensively, but this is the first year I'd be confident saying his stickhandling doesn't ADD more shots for the other team.


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Posted 18 November 2013 - 10:25 AM

I think TG's blog mentioned it the other day about Brodeur's stickhandling helping them, too. As i said the other night, it's something you don't notice until it's not there and it may be a correlation. But, to the extent that the drought in front of CS is happening i don't think it's a main reason.


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Posted 18 November 2013 - 10:25 AM

Did anyone see the fight after the game? I turned the corner toward upper level SE escalator (near section 124) and see a beer go flying and notice an argument between Devils and Penguins fans and an older (30s/40s, only saying older because the Pens fans were 20 or 21ish) lady in a Devils jersey walking away and her boyfriend pulling her back.

 

10 seconds later, I see a chick in a Penguins jersey in her face and the Devils lady KNOCKED HER THE F OUT... I'm talking like Kovalchuk knocking out Schenn or Boulton knocking out Murray: total connection with the right hook to the face. I give Devils fans credit, they were doing their best to separate the ladies but these chicks were RABID.. I can't imagine what was said. Penguins chick was bleeding heavily from her mouth and her friend stepped in and was pretty much attached to the Devils fan throwing punches and pulling hair, etc.. There were at least 5 different times that fans stepped in to separate them but they were livid, both sides.

 

Gotta say I give the Penguins fan the benefit of the doubt. They were two Pens fans couples that were in section 119 and were pretty respectful, nothing stood out in my mind that they were causing trouble. They weren't drunk either. Gotta say, I think it might've been a crazy drunk bitch in a Devils fan that made it happen. Hope the Pens fans are okay, she got KNOCKED out.

 

What sucks is that this sh!t never happens at a Devils-Rangers/Devils-Flyers game where some of the most scumbag disrespectful fans come into our arena. Who fights at a Devils-Penguins game????


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Posted 18 November 2013 - 10:27 AM

How many games can we go here before the team's lack of scoring in front of Schneider is no longer a coincidence?  I've heard mumblings that Marty's stickhandling helps the offense breakout (which is plausible, I suppose) but it just seems odd they can't score more than a goal when Cory's in net.

 

I've lost track at this point, but I don't think Schneider's faced significantly tougher competition in all of his games..has he?

 

I'd say 100 before we can really tell.  It is absolutely a coincidence.  First of all, Brodeur has played for a billion offensively challenged teams over the years.  Second, the gap is enormous.  Maybe there should be a gap of a goal or two, MAYBE, but there's just no way that a goalie has that kind of effect on an offense.


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Posted 18 November 2013 - 10:38 AM

How many games can we go here before the team's lack of scoring in front of Schneider is no longer a coincidence?  I've heard mumblings that Marty's stickhandling helps the offense breakout (which is plausible, I suppose) but it just seems odd they can't score more than a goal when Cory's in net.

 

I've lost track at this point, but I don't think Schneider's faced significantly tougher competition in all of his games..has he?

 

I think this is more small sample anomaly stuff than anything else...but we've seen it in baseball too...Nolan Ryan once led the NL in 1987 with a 2.76 ERA and somehow went 8-16.  Sometimes a guy just gets rotten luck and there's not really any clear explanation for it. 

 

I posted it elsewhere, but it wouldn't surprise me if Schneider turned in otherwise good to very good numbers this season, but wound up around just a little above NHL .500 or so...it happens. 

 

 

No one has said we'd be fine.  Well maybe some people did, but I know I didn't.  I said this team will struggle to score, and it is doing that.  It was also doing that last year with Kovalchuk, so there isn't much of a change.  What I also said is that this team would have a tremendous defense and it has also had that.  The real issue has been the shootout/OT, because they need those extra points - win two of those and they're sitting at 9-8-3, not above NHL .500 but above .500.  

 

I think this was pretty much what most of the positive people were thinking.  All the new forwards had people hoping for pleasant surprises (like middle-of-the-pack), but what they've shown is wild inconsistency, as far as offense goes, but trending towards poor production overall. We thought the Devils would get good to very good goaltending, and lately it's been great...but no one would've thought Brodeur would be providing so much of it.  Defense has been getting better, but from unexpected sources (like Gelinas).  I pointed out the lack of SO points in a previous post, but as we know, that's how it goes...there's a lot of luck that goes into them, and not just in the event itself, but in the fact that it's a unique skill that some players seem to have that others don't, and that having that skill doesn't correlate to how good a player is in other aspects of the game, and that it's not a skill a GM will ever actively pursue.  For years, the Devils not only had players that happened to be strong in them (even nonentities like Viktor Kozlov), but even had a guy who suddenly got exponentially better than he ever had been in them, in Kovalchuk.  There's teams that have sucked in them from the very first day they were implemented.  The Devils enjoyed good fortune in them more than every other team right up through 2012. 


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Posted 18 November 2013 - 10:40 AM

Did anyone see the fight after the game? I turned the corner toward upper level SE escalator (near section 124) and see a beer go flying and notice an argument between Devils and Penguins fans and an older (30s/40s, only saying older because the Pens fans were 20 or 21ish) lady in a Devils jersey walking away and her boyfriend pulling her back.

 

10 seconds later, I see a chick in a Penguins jersey in her face and the Devils lady KNOCKED HER THE F OUT... I'm talking like Kovalchuk knocking out Schenn or Boulton knocking out Murray: total connection with the right hook to the face. I give Devils fans credit, they were doing their best to separate the ladies but these chicks were RABID.. I can't imagine what was said. Penguins chick was bleeding heavily from her mouth and her friend stepped in and was pretty much attached to the Devils fan throwing punches and pulling hair, etc.. There were at least 5 different times that fans stepped in to separate them but they were livid, both sides.

 

Gotta say I give the Penguins fan the benefit of the doubt. They were two Pens fans couples that were in section 119 and were pretty respectful, nothing stood out in my mind that they were causing trouble. They weren't drunk either. Gotta say, I think it might've been a crazy drunk bitch in a Devils fan that made it happen. Hope the Pens fans are okay, she got KNOCKED out.

 

What sucks is that this sh!t never happens at a Devils-Rangers/Devils-Flyers game where some of the most scumbag disrespectful fans come into our arena. Who fights at a Devils-Penguins game????

 

The same type of crowd that wants to turn the arena into their own personal living room and whining when "you suck" chant is taken away from them.


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Posted 18 November 2013 - 10:49 AM

The same type of crowd that wants to turn the arena into their own personal living room and whining when "you suck" chant is taken away from them.

 

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 10:53 AM

The same type of crowd that wants to turn the arena into their own personal living room and whining when "you suck" chant is taken away from them.

 

Not really accurate.  Not like any of us know what led to what in this case.  Also not like fights are constantly breaking out at Devils games either.  Sometimes sh!t happens.   


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Posted 18 November 2013 - 11:04 AM

Not really accurate.  Not like any of us know what led to what in this case.  Also not like fights are constantly breaking out at Devils games either.  Sometimes sh!t happens.   

 

Usually happens to the crowd that has either had too much to drink or are just normally obnoxious people who cannot control their rage or know how to act in public.  I personally find it hard to believe these are just completely random.  At least one of the parties involved in this acted like what I just stated and from the story DJ told and it looks like it was actually both of them.


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Posted 18 November 2013 - 11:07 AM

Yeah, your avatar is very complimentary towards DeBoer, and you have complained about him a lot this season (and many other things).  Great, you FINALLY posted something pretty positive, but you've done a lot of bitching (much of it over the same things over and over), and in the friggin' Kings thread (a whopping three days ago), you were in "I told you so" mode with the people who had been trying to be positive up to that point. 

 

The Devils win 4-1 against the Pens, and in the space of 60 hockey minutes, suddenly the team is coming together and fun to watch and all is well (they've actually been trending towards that for a while now, with the 7-4-2 record over their last 13, but unfortunately I think consistent goal-scoring is going to be an issue for this team all season...they're going to have trouble overcoming any goaltending slumps, and like I've said, they will be a tough watch at times.  And unfortunately, right now the team is not gifted with strong shootout performers, so instead of being something like 9-8-3 or 10-8-2 like they would've been in past seasons, they're 7-8-5).  But with your flip-flop track record, I can't help but wonder if, as quickly as you're posting sunshine, if you'll go back to criticizing and complaining if the Devils have a tough time on this upcoming trip.   

 

I've honestly and absolutely not being the worst on DeBoer's case here, im even defending Gionta at times way more than anyone else here. EVERYONE is saying DeBoer is making weird moves, EVERYONE. So stop acting as if im the only one simply cause you you can't stand me.

 

Listen you clearly have a problem with me, i can't speak my mind either positively or negatively at this point you're so fed up you'll snap at anything i say exaggerating it in your head and you clearly still have some things i said in the past on your chest you keep on bringing it back after months, its to that point.

 

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 11:22 AM

Usually happens to the crowd that has either had too much to drink or are just normally obnoxious people who cannot control their rage or know how to act in public.  I personally find it hard to believe these are just completely random.  At least one of the parties involved in this acted like what I just stated and from the story DJ told and it looks like it was actually both of them.

 

Not going to argue that alcohol doesn't play a part in these things...often it does.  I never understood physical fighting over a sporting event to begin with...not like any of us have any control over the outcome.  The only time I ever fought in a sporting event was at MSG, and I really didn't have a choice...I won't tell the full story again, but the guy basically hit me three times as I was trying to do my business at a urinal, and wasn't going to let it go (and after hit #3, I did feel threatened).  Very telling that, even though he was a Rangers fan at MSG, that the security guard escorted him out and not me. 


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Posted 18 November 2013 - 11:29 AM

Did anyone see the fight after the game? I turned the corner toward upper level SE escalator (near section 124) and see a beer go flying and notice an argument between Devils and Penguins fans and an older (30s/40s, only saying older because the Pens fans were 20 or 21ish) lady in a Devils jersey walking away and her boyfriend pulling her back.

 

10 seconds later, I see a chick in a Penguins jersey in her face and the Devils lady KNOCKED HER THE F OUT... I'm talking like Kovalchuk knocking out Schenn or Boulton knocking out Murray: total connection with the right hook to the face. I give Devils fans credit, they were doing their best to separate the ladies but these chicks were RABID.. I can't imagine what was said. Penguins chick was bleeding heavily from her mouth and her friend stepped in and was pretty much attached to the Devils fan throwing punches and pulling hair, etc.. There were at least 5 different times that fans stepped in to separate them but they were livid, both sides.

 

Gotta say I give the Penguins fan the benefit of the doubt. They were two Pens fans couples that were in section 119 and were pretty respectful, nothing stood out in my mind that they were causing trouble. They weren't drunk either. Gotta say, I think it might've been a crazy drunk bitch in a Devils fan that made it happen. Hope the Pens fans are okay, she got KNOCKED out.

 

What sucks is that this sh!t never happens at a Devils-Rangers/Devils-Flyers game where some of the most scumbag disrespectful fans come into our arena. Who fights at a Devils-Penguins game????

 

Not true.  A few years ago I saw a female Devils fan go after a female Rangers fan in the 200's at the Rock.  Hard to tell who got the better of it, but both chicks went rolling down the stairs at the end of it before they were seperated.   Also, saw an interesting fight once at the Rock in 2008 or 2009 where 2 guys (1 Devils fan and 1 Flyers fan) were nose to nose when the Flyers fan's chick decides it would be a good idea to get in on it and jumps the Devils fan throwing 3 punches to the back of his head.  The Devils fan's girl then jumps up and pops her 2 times before she goes down and all hell breaks loose. 

 

Fans fighting at a hockey game is pretty stupid.  Gladly, I feel like it has become less common since we moved to the Rock than it was at CAA where there were always multiple fights in the upper tier during Devils-Rags and Devils-Flyers games.  Maybe it has something to do with not wanting to end up in a Newark lock-up that has served as a deterrant.


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Posted 18 November 2013 - 11:30 AM

Not going to argue that alcohol doesn't play a part in these things...often it does.  I never understood physical fighting over a sporting event to begin with...not like any of us have any control over the outcome.  The only time I ever fought in a sporting event was at MSG, and I really didn't have a choice...I won't tell the full story again, but the guy basically hit me three times as I was trying to do my business at a urinal, and wasn't going to let it go (and after hit #3, I did feel threatened).  Very telling that, even though he was a Rangers fan at MSG, that the security guard escorted him out and not me. 

 

Yeah I remember that story and it was because that fan was either normally obnoxious or aggressive and decided that MSG was his personal place or that he was drunk or both.  You did what you had to do and I don't blame you for defending yourself.

 

There are many times I see at the Rock where the Devils fan was the aggressor and I am seeing it more and more often.  This is even towards fans who are just sitting there watching the game quietly or with their kids.


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Posted 18 November 2013 - 11:36 AM

Yeah I remember that story and it was because that fan was either normally obnoxious or aggressive and decided that MSG was his personal place or that he was drunk or both.  You did what you had to do and I don't blame you for defending yourself.

 

There are many times I see at the Rock where the Devils fan was the aggressor and I am seeing it more and more often.  This is even towards fans who are just sitting there watching the game quietly or with their kids.

 

He told me to pee in the ladies' room with other Devils fans in what seemed like a fun-ribbing kind of way, I joked back with "Make the playoffs!"  That was all it took.  He got out of line (he was about 8 spots behind me), then he hit me in the back of the head three times while he taunted me.  He was actually pretty scary...little beady eyes and he looked like he was legitimately not right, in a psychotic kind of way.  Even though I "won" the fight, I was afraid of him, and it had nothing to do with the physicality of it (I was a good bit bigger than him).  He was a scary guy. 

 

I haven't really seen too many incidents myself, but I usually just watch the game, then head to my car as quickly as possible, so I probably miss a lot.


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Posted 18 November 2013 - 11:50 AM

The same type of crowd that wants to turn the arena into their own personal living room and whining when "you suck" chant is taken away from them.

 

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 01:58 PM

Not going to argue that alcohol doesn't play a part in these things...often it does.  I never understood physical fighting over a sporting event to begin with...not like any of us have any control over the outcome.  The only time I ever fought in a sporting event was at MSG, and I really didn't have a choice...I won't tell the full story again, but the guy basically hit me three times as I was trying to do my business at a urinal, and wasn't going to let it go (and after hit #3, I did feel threatened).  Very telling that, even though he was a Rangers fan at MSG, that the security guard escorted him out and not me. 

At the urinal? Who in the hell picks a fight while you're in the middle of that? I probably would have just pissed on him at that point.


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