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#161 Triumph

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Posted 03 December 2013 - 10:42 AM

Pot meet kettle.

 

You have been implying that non-stop in multiple threads since at least late August thinking your sly or clever.

 

That he is a previously banned poster?  Yeah.  That is all I have said.  It's my little joke to him, because I know it drives him nuts, and since he is like a bad penny that keeps turning up.  I don't go assembling someone's life details or stalking them on other websites they have, but I'm not a psycho.  The fact that you defend a guy like this says a lot about you.


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#162 TheRedStorm

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Posted 03 December 2013 - 10:45 AM

Pot meet kettle.

 

You have been implying that non-stop in multiple threads since at least late August thinking your sly or clever.

 

He has? LOL! Really? Hmmmm that explains why i logged on to a message and was asked to feed him that line this morning. Now it makes sense.

 

My God, and i thought the YS/RR2 people have big issues. Move over!


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Posted 03 December 2013 - 10:48 AM

That he is a previously banned poster?  Yeah.  That is all I have said.  It's my little joke to him, because I know it drives him nuts, and since he is like a bad penny that keeps turning up.  I don't go assembling someone's life details or stalking them on other websites they have, but I'm not a psycho.  The fact that you defend a guy like this says a lot about you.

 

The fact that you have been trying to imply that for over 3 months now says a lot about you.  Hell you started implying it when she wasn't even directing a post at you and have continued to do so since.

 

You really need to take a long look in the mirror.


He has? LOL! Really? Hmmmm that explains why i was asked by a member to feed him that line this morning. 

 

My God, and i thought the YS/RR2 people has big issues. 

 

Everyone here has issues.  That is why we are all perfect for each other.


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#164 Triumph

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Posted 03 December 2013 - 10:48 AM

The thing I notice about Janssen, and maybe I just didn't watch hockey closely during his original stint with the team, but I see people avoiding him on the breakout.  The D will make a riskier pass up the center of the ice away from him, or the D will go D to D again to try to find a better breakout lane if the puck is going to Janssen.  And he is really atrocious at receiving breakout passes - even if he gets the puck on his stick, which is a minor miracle, he has to then lug it to the red line to dump it in.  I don't think he was *this* bad when he first played here - I mean, hell, he got into playoff games.  He wasn't going to handle the puck well but he could at least get it to the red line and dump it in, and maybe hit someone.  Now he usually misses and even when he does hit he's often off-balance and it has no effect. 


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Posted 03 December 2013 - 10:50 AM

The fact that you have been trying to imply that for over 3 months now says a lot about you.  Hell you started implying it when she wasn't even directing a post at you and have continued to do so since.

 

You really need to take a long look in the mirror.

 

You two have to be real life friends, and you deserve each other.  Nothing more to say to it than that.  The idea that you guys can keep up this charade is just mind-blowing, but why would I expect anything else?


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Posted 03 December 2013 - 10:54 AM

You two have to be real life friends, and you deserve each other.  Nothing more to say to it than that.  The idea that you guys can keep up this charade is just mind-blowing, but why would I expect anything else?

 

What charade?  You are the one making the implications for months now at a poster who didn't even say anything to you until today.

 

I guess you still think that makes you the one who is not obsessed? :rolleyes:


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Posted 03 December 2013 - 10:58 AM

I think things couldn't have gone better for DeBoer this past week, honestly (aside from winning every game). It's pretty clear moving forward that Cory will probably get the majority of starts. I think he was waiting for a run, like the one Brodeur's currently in, for him to be totally convinced of that, and I don't blame him for that. I think 

 

But think of it this way: after the Carolina loss (which he was criticized for starting Brodeur), he then went on to play Schneider two nights in a row; I think by then, he'd already made his decision. I think he had to give Brodeur the Montreal start, most of us would have, but my guess is Schneider's the starter now.


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Posted 03 December 2013 - 11:07 AM

I never claimed Janssen was a good player or should have a permanent spot in the team.

What I have a problem with is when we lose because our skill guys couldn't get it done a lot of posters turn to the Janssens, sestitos and giontas and claim they are not pulling their weight. The 4 minutes that Janssen played was the least of our problems last night.

Talk about bad breakout players- Michael Ryder is an automatic turnover whenever the puck touches his stick. He's a second line player getting paid 6x more with 4x more ice time than Janssen.
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Posted 03 December 2013 - 11:17 AM

In fairness though, the Devils are a team that exists on the thinnest of margins.  They have great defense and when Schneider is in net, great goaltending.  They have a horrible offense.  Unless Schneider turns into Hasek, they're not going to have an easy road to the playoffs.  Having a 4th line that gets 50% of the shots instead of 40-43% of the shots would save them several goals.  Plus I agree with 33, they can't keep playing Jagr 22 minutes a night.  He's obviously in tremendous physical shape but it's too much.


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Posted 03 December 2013 - 11:18 AM

Someone in chat said NJ had to become a 4 line team again....and its absolutely true.  Too bad Henrique had to go down, because I thought he was playing his best hockey of the season.


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Posted 03 December 2013 - 11:26 AM

In fairness though, the Devils are a team that exists on the thinnest of margins.  They have great defense and when Schneider is in net, great goaltending.  They have a horrible offense.  Unless Schneider turns into Hasek, they're not going to have an easy road to the playoffs.  Having a 4th line that gets 50% of the shots instead of 40-43% of the shots would save them several goals.  Plus I agree with 33, they can't keep playing Jagr 22 minutes a night.  He's obviously in tremendous physical shape but it's too much.

 

You play him this much now...and then he is going to be a gigantic part of the Czech Olympic team, and you'll probably need him to play 22 min down the stretch...

 

Deboer is really going to test what kind of athletic freak Jagr is.


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Posted 03 December 2013 - 11:57 AM

I never claimed Janssen was a good player or should have a permanent spot in the team.

What I have a problem with is when we lose because our skill guys couldn't get it done a lot of posters turn to the Janssens, sestitos and giontas and claim they are not pulling their weight. The 4 minutes that Janssen played was the least of our problems last night.

Talk about bad breakout players- Michael Ryder is an automatic turnover whenever the puck touches his stick. He's a second line player getting paid 6x more with 4x more ice time than Janssen.

 

I don't care what you say, the Janssens and Sestitos ARE a problem. The Devils had their best success in years when they could roll 4 lines, with those guys playing there's no way that's possible. I think we saw this last year when we tried to make our fourth line into our third. This isn't the fault of the players exactly though, it's management, because CanJam and Sestito shouldn't be in there in the first place. Unfortunately, with injuries piling up, the guys to fill out that fourth line aren't on this team currently and the guys that could be given a shot won't be because DeBoer won't allow it. 


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Posted 03 December 2013 - 11:58 AM

I just hope the Devils find some scoring before Jagr inevitably slows down - he's a physical freak of nature for sure, but I mean..he's gotta slow down before March.  I hope he keeps this type of play up but I wouldn't bank on it.


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Posted 03 December 2013 - 12:16 PM

I don't care what you say, the Janssens and Sestitos ARE a problem. The Devils had their best success in years when they could roll 4 lines, with those guys playing there's no way that's possible. I think we saw this last year when we tried to make our fourth line into our third. This isn't the fault of the players exactly though, it's management, because CanJam and Sestito shouldn't be in there in the first place. Unfortunately, with injuries piling up, the guys to fill out that fourth line aren't on this team currently and the guys that could be given a shot won't be because DeBoer won't allow it.

the only reason they are playing is because of injuries... It's not like we penciled them in as 4th liners to start the season.

A good fourth line will not make as big a difference as opposed guys like Ryder and Brunner (who are getting prime minutes) turning it around.

We are dominating possession in most of these games, and people think a better 4th line is going to be the difference. Will a better 4th line help jagr lift the puck over subban's stick or god forbid help Brunner realize when he's wide open in the slot that the net isn't ten feet wider so he can put one on goal?

The difference in last nights game wasn't the 4th line. It's great to hope we get healthy and we can get back to a cbgb (or maybe even a carter jj bernier line), but id much rather hope the guys in the top 9 remember how to finish and put more of their opportunities in the net.
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Posted 03 December 2013 - 12:37 PM

the only reason they are playing is because of injuries... It's not like we penciled them in as 4th liners to start the season.

A good fourth line will not make as big a difference as opposed guys like Ryder and Brunner (who are getting prime minutes) turning it around.

We are dominating possession in most of these games, and people think a better 4th line is going to be the difference. Will a better 4th line help jagr lift the puck over subban's stick or god forbid help Brunner realize when he's wide open in the slot that the net isn't ten feet wider so he can put one on goal?

The difference in last nights game wasn't the 4th line. It's great to hope we get healthy and we can get back to a cbgb (or maybe even a carter jj bernier line), but id much rather hope the guys in the top 9 remember how to finish and put more of their opportunities in the net.

 

And a better fourth line could help that. If guys aren't exhausted from playing every 3rd shift instead of every 4th, it could cut down on their minutes and they'll be more well rested when the time comes for a big play. The guys were noticeably dragging ass at the end of last night's game. With so many back-to-backs, a real fourth line that can actually be trusted to play considerable time will not only make the Devils a deeper team, but very well could help the top 9 as well. That's all I'm trying to get at here. I'm not expecting the fourth line to score tons of goals, but more create a ripple effect of not having to have Jagr log 22 minutes and wear everyone else out to the point where they're not at 100% late in games.


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Posted 03 December 2013 - 12:46 PM

I don't care what you say, the Janssens and Sestitos ARE a problem. The Devils had their best success in years when they could roll 4 lines, with those guys playing there's no way that's possible. I think we saw this last year when we tried to make our fourth line into our third. This isn't the fault of the players exactly though, it's management, because CanJam and Sestito shouldn't be in there in the first place. Unfortunately, with injuries piling up, the guys to fill out that fourth line aren't on this team currently and the guys that could be given a shot won't be because DeBoer won't allow it. 

 

Who is left to be given a shot? Both of those guys started in the AHL for a reason. If everyone ever gets healthy again, they'll go back to the AHL.


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Posted 03 December 2013 - 01:02 PM

I think the Janssens and Sestitos are a problem for reasons no one seems to be mentioning. Our schedule is crap, we have the most back-to-back games in the league and these couple weeks especially are going to be hard on the guys. It's more important now than ever to have 4 lines you can roll out all game, if not for skill/firepower, at least for fitness and stamina. You go into the game knowing that Janssen and Sestito will play 5-6 minutes a game, chances are you're going to play Elias or Jagr 3- or 4- too many minutes than you should at this point in the season. We don't have any Kovalchuks on the team who can play 25-27 minutes per game, every game.


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Posted 03 December 2013 - 01:50 PM

There seem to be 2 issues here and people are conflating them.

 

1.  The 4th line with Sestito and Janssen right now is bad

 

2.  The 4th line is so bad that DeBoer can't use them late in games.

 

The 1st thing is true.  The 2nd thing is not quite true.  Sestito has averaged 10 minutes/game as a Devil, and I think they're comfortable with him playing that much if he kills penalties.  If he doesn't, 8 minutes isn't that big a deal so long as you split the other 52 minutes fairly evenly among the rest of the forwards.  It's when you get into the 3-5 minute range where it becomes a problem.


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Posted 03 December 2013 - 01:57 PM

There seem to be 2 issues here and people are conflating them.

1. The 4th line with Sestito and Janssen right now is bad

2. The 4th line is so bad that DeBoer can't use them late in games.

The 1st thing is true. The 2nd thing is not quite true. Sestito has averaged 10 minutes/game as a Devil, and I think they're comfortable with him playing that much if he kills penalties. If he doesn't, 8 minutes isn't that big a deal so long as you split the other 52 minutes fairly evenly among the rest of the forwards. It's when you get into the 3-5 minute range where it becomes a problem.

I think it is a big deal though. 2 out of 3 are useless and can't be used when looking for an equalizer. JJ is capable of playing an actual shift, but when he does he takes time away from a Brunner or Tedenby when he's in the lineup. There is no familiarity to the lines (except for the top one) when you only have ten useful forwards
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Posted 03 December 2013 - 02:28 PM

Schneider will get the start on Wednesday.

Oops I should've posted it in the lineup/roster thread...

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