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#41 Devils Pride 26

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Posted 05 December 2013 - 03:13 PM

That's what I think the card is all about. It's a reminder to people to just use common sense. However, a good chunk of people believe that the price of admission pretty much allows them to leave common sense at the door. I don't want a quiet arena but I don't want an arena full of classless jerks around either. It just seems the latter group has grown a lot larger, especially the last 7-10 years.


I agree but I don't think it's right for the team to enforce something like a stupid card. I can't tell you how many times a friend or even a stranger would say something and a "hey buddy take it easy" pointing to a kid nearby would make the person feel like the biggest a$$hole ever. I think it's up to ourselves to police that kind of thing
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Posted 05 December 2013 - 03:16 PM

It's about being smart. Going to sporting events is like a rite of passage. I remember being 5-6 and hearing foul language. It's the nature of the beast. You hear things, you learn about it, and if you have good parents they'll tell you not to repeat things you hear or you'll get a spanking (if we really want to get heated, this is a good argument).

Now being a 20 something on the other side of the coin, there's a responsibility not to look like a fycking moron in the place. I always take a good look around during the game making sure there aren't kids around. When they are, you try and set an example and keep it respectful. F bombs I front of children are just classless. I'll heckle teams and players , part of that is the fun of being at the arena. But people need to use common sense. I wouldn't want to be swearing up a storm in front of CRs daughter or anything but I don't think any parent brings a child to game without expecting to hear some foul language. Morale of the story: use some fvcking common sense


This is the most sensible, accurate post I've seen out of all these threads about the same topic. I wish everyone could comprehend this.
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Posted 05 December 2013 - 03:16 PM

It's about being smart. Going to sporting events is like a rite of passage. I remember being 5-6 and hearing foul language. It's the nature of the beast. You hear things, you learn about it, and if you have good parents they'll tell you not to repeat things you hear or you'll get a spanking (if we really want to get heated, this is a good argument).

Now being a 20 something on the other side of the coin, there's a responsibility not to look like a fycking moron in the place. I always take a good look around during the game making sure there aren't kids around. When they are, you try and set an example and keep it respectful. F bombs I front of children are just classless. I'll heckle teams and players , part of that is the fun of being at the arena. But people need to use common sense. I wouldn't want to be swearing up a storm in front of CRs daughter or anything but I don't think any parent brings a child to game without expecting to hear some foul language. Morale of the story: use some fvcking common sense

 

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No, wait, can this just be the Post-of-the-Topic?  Like every time this stupid thing is brought up again, can someone just post this?


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Posted 05 December 2013 - 03:16 PM

I agree but I don't think it's right for the team to enforce something like a stupid card. I can't tell you how many times a friend or even a stranger would say something and a "hey buddy take it easy" pointing to a kid nearby would make the person feel like the biggest a$$hole ever. I think it's up to ourselves to police that kind of thing

 

And I am not trying to bust your chops here, but I have seen people ask others to keep it down as well and the response they get is the guy either giving them the finger, threatening to beat them up, or at best ignore the request even with children.


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Posted 05 December 2013 - 03:19 PM

I always thought that if you want to curse and act up you should watch the game at home or at a bar (not a family restaurant with a bar). And I have a very foul mouth. 

 

We all have the right to act like dicks. It's how you use those rights that matter. Just be respectful to the people around you. Isn't that part of the golden rule?


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Posted 05 December 2013 - 03:19 PM

Obviously he's the only one that matters. We should all recognize that.

This is the product of everyone getting a trophy, win or lose.

 

Dude, are you serious? You're the one saying YOU have a problem with people around YOU letting an F-bomb slip or chanting and that if YOU had YOUR way, YOU'd kick them out.

 

I'm saying I'm fine with the status quo. People around me who get politely asked to tone it down usually do. I live and let be.


Edited by DJ Eco, 05 December 2013 - 03:21 PM.

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Posted 05 December 2013 - 03:22 PM

This is the most sensible, accurate post I've seen out of all these threads about the same topic. I wish everyone could comprehend this.

 

He's essentially disagreeing with your position that security should police the language being used in the crowd.


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Posted 05 December 2013 - 03:29 PM

fvck that. I paid for my ticket, I'll heckle any player or coach I want. This society, it just gets more PC and pussified by the day, I can't take it.

as usual.. I completely agree with what you wrote


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Posted 05 December 2013 - 03:31 PM

He's essentially disagreeing with your position that security should police the language being used in the crowd.


Wow. If everyone used common sense (something obviously foreign to you), there wouldn't be a NEED to police the language. You honestly couldn't figure that one out by yourself?

Feel free to keep responding, the wires just aren't connecting for you. I can't be bothered any more.
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Posted 05 December 2013 - 03:33 PM

And I am not trying to bust your chops here, but I have seen people ask others to keep it down as well and the response they get is the guy either giving them the finger, threatening to beat them up, or at best ignore the request even with children.

This is a good point. I once told someone, who was dropping f bombs and saying disgusting things all night while there was a family of like 6 sitting 10 feet away, that we got his point already....and so his drunk gf started flipping out. Though at that point, I feel he might have actually been embarrassed, LOL.

 

Dude, are you serious? You're the one saying YOU have a problem with people around YOU letting an F-bomb slip or chanting and that if YOU had YOUR way, YOU'd kick them out.

 

I'm saying I'm fine with the status quo. People around me who get politely asked to tone it down usually do. I live and let be.

There's absolutely no way most of the people you've seen asked to tone it down, 1. Were asked nicely or 2. Obliged the request.

And look, no one's saying we need a completely PC crowd. Swearing is ok, if used in moderation and is tailored to the area you are sitting in. If there's like 50 kids around you, there's no need for 1000 f bombs. If you're in the nose bleeds and there isn't a kid to be seen, maybe be a bit more liberal with the usage, but still, doesn't need to so over the top that you sound like a little kid who just learned a dirty word. There is a middle ground.


Edited by ATLL765, 05 December 2013 - 03:33 PM.

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Posted 05 December 2013 - 03:35 PM

And I am not trying to bust your chops here, but I have seen people ask others to keep it down as well and the response they get is the guy either giving them the finger, threatening to beat them up, or at best ignore the request even with children.

 

Well that's just unreasonable and inexcusable and I don't think anyone's arguing that this is somehow okay (even though Z-Man pretty much thinks that's what I'm saying).


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Posted 05 December 2013 - 03:40 PM

And look, no one's saying we need a completely PC crowd. Swearing is ok, if used in moderation and is tailored to the area you are sitting in. If there's like 50 kids around you, there's no need for 1000 f bombs. If you're in the nose bleeds and there isn't a kid to be seen, maybe be a bit more liberal with the usage, but still, doesn't need to so over the top that you sound like a little kid who just learned a dirty word. There is a middle ground.

 

I completely agree with this, this is more or less what I'm saying all along.

 

It's people like Z-Man, who is presumably an adult, who I take issue with. People who want the Gestapo to take guys away who are swearing and chanting inappropriate things, zero-tolerance.

 

I don't think anyone's advocating that it's always acceptable to use foul language, I'm definitely not. I don't think anyone's saying it's perfectly fine to curse in front of kids, I'm definitely not saying that.

 

 

 

Wow. If everyone used common sense (something obviously foreign to you), there wouldn't be a NEED to police the language. You honestly couldn't figure that one out by yourself?

Feel free to keep responding, the wires just aren't connecting for you. I can't be bothered any more.

 

Common sense doesn't automatically = "absolutely zero cursing or inappropriate behavior", they are not one or the same, they are very different. There could be a ton of common sense going around with you still hearing the words and the chants that annoy you so much, as long as you're not with a minor.


Edited by DJ Eco, 05 December 2013 - 03:47 PM.

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Posted 05 December 2013 - 03:46 PM

This is always such a tough argument. I can't stand people who go to a game for the sole purpose of getting drunk and cursing and acting like morons. If you can't be a normal human being, stay home.... But on the other hand, the snobby, holier-than-thou attitude of the people on the other side of the argument is so over the top. It's one rung below "i'm a better person than you so I get to decide what's ok".

 

Devils Pride 26 has it right. You can't pretend you can stop all of the naughty words of 16000 other people. You need to understand that's part of a sporting event, however, people should also have the responsibility to know their surroundings, realize that they are in a public place, and try to act accordingly.

 

Having said that, I must add that heckling players, coaches, and the dirty evil cheating refs is every fan's god given right, and can be done quite creatively without having to drop f-bombs.


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Posted 05 December 2013 - 03:50 PM

Lol at this thread... It's pretty clear most everyone is on the same page here. I don't think anyone, including Z man is advocating for automatic ejections after one curse, just some curtesy to other fans and youngsters.

Which brings me back on topic- the card is essentially one free pass for the nba fan to realize "whoops, I screwed up, and people around me are bothered by it." If anything it's good for everyone because it avoids confrontation between fans and allows the unruly one to realize he/she needs to calm down a bit.
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Posted 05 December 2013 - 04:03 PM

From Devils Pride 26:

 

It's about being smart. Going to sporting events is like a rite of passage. I remember being 5-6 and hearing foul language. It's the nature of the beast. You hear things, you learn about it, and if you have good parents they'll tell you not to repeat things you hear or you'll get a spanking (if we really want to get heated, this is a good argument).

Now being a 20 something on the other side of the coin, there's a responsibility not to look like a fycking moron in the place. I always take a good look around during the game making sure there aren't kids around. When they are, you try and set an example and keep it respectful. F bombs I front of children are just classless. I'll heckle teams and players , part of that is the fun of being at the arena. But people need to use common sense. I wouldn't want to be swearing up a storm in front of CRs daughter or anything but I don't think any parent brings a child to game without expecting to hear some foul language. Morale of the story: use some fvcking common sense

 

 

This is always such a tough argument. I can't stand people who go to a game for the sole purpose of getting drunk and cursing and acting like morons. If you can't be a normal human being, stay home.... But on the other hand, the snobby, holier-than-thou attitude of the people on the other side of the argument is so over the top. It's one rung below "i'm a better person than you so I get to decide what's ok".

 

Devils Pride 26 has it right. You can't pretend you can stop all of the naughty words of 16000 other people. You need to understand that's part of a sporting event, however, people should also have the responsibility to know their surroundings, realize that they are in a public place, and try to act accordingly.

 

Having said that, I must add that heckling players, coaches, and the dirty evil cheating refs is every fan's god given right, and can be done quite creatively without having to drop f-bombs.

 

Pretty much agree with you two (no shock in the case of DD56, as me and him seem to be of like minds of just about everything Devil-related). 

 

I've always said I don't expect the world to sanitize itself in my daughter's presence...when I take her to a Devils game, she will hear bad words, see drunk people (some of which will act like a$$holes), might even see fans fist-fighting.  I've always taken the approach that it's not necessarily on the rest of the world to snap to attention and clean up their acts because my child is in their presence...rather, I explain to her why it's not really in her best interests to follow their leads.  I can hope that people won't be letting f-bombs fly left and right when it's obvious that she can clearly hear them, but I don't ever bank on it, and like I said in another post, I go to games to watch the games, not to confront people on their behavior.

 

Re:  the card, I'm guessing the people who wind up getting them are probably going over-the-top to get them...enough so that those around them start complaining.  Obviously everyone's tolerances vary on what is too much.  For me, it's someone who is cursing just for the sake of cursing and being endlessly obnoxious for the sake of being endlessly obnoxious.  Some random f-bombs and other four-letter frothings don't really bother me (I curse plenty myself, though like DP26 says, I do it using common sense).  The suck-swallow chant is more lame to me than anything else...not because it's foul...just because it's lame and not all that funny.    


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Posted 05 December 2013 - 04:13 PM

Oh look, this thread. AGAIN. fvck guys, this is such a beat to death topic, can we just NOT do this sh!t again. It's clear: There are some on one side, and some on the other. You people are literally bringing NOTHING new to the conversation. Those of us that wish to chant and be rowdy, do so until someone throws you out. Those of us who would rather sit there and do nothing all night, fine, power to you, go ahead.

Sidebar: Comparing a movie theatre and a grocery store to a sporting event. Hahaha I mean honestly, have we really gotten to that point


It's really the same two, three people who must make an entire arena feel how they feel. Everyone else I know likes or doesn't care about YS chant. And the same two, three anti YS people are now comparing sporting events to shouting at potatoes at the supermarket! Lmao I can't argue w them anymore, I give up lol
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Posted 05 December 2013 - 04:18 PM

It's really the same two, three people who must make an entire arena feel how they feel. Everyone else I know likes or doesn't care about YS chant. And the same two, three anti YS people are now comparing sporting events to shouting at potatoes at the supermarket! Lmao I can't argue w them anymore, I give up lol

If I wanna yell at the damned potatoes, so help me god, I'm gonna yell at the damned potatoes. I don't who those potatoes think they are, staring at me like that.


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Posted 05 December 2013 - 04:24 PM

If I wanna yell at the damned potatoes, so help me god, I'm gonna yell at the damned potatoes. I don't who those potatoes think they are, staring at me like that.

 

fvck those potatoes and the bags they sacked in on!


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Posted 05 December 2013 - 04:26 PM

if you went to the grocery store and started yelling obscenities at potatoes, would you expect store management to put a stop to it?

Yeah yeah I know you'll say it's different at a sporting event but the truth is both are public places and a certain level of decorum should be required in both.

I'm not advocating for a silent arena where everyone sits on their hands, but just cuz you pay for the ticket doesn't give you free reign to do or say what you want, and it says that on the ticket when you buy it.


Being a 20-year season ticket holder doesn't give you free reign either. Sat near a guy like this constantly shouting and berating the (Devils!) players during the game and it was unbelievably annoying. He was like the real-life version of one of the trolls on this board who only make negative posts. (I would not be surprised if it turned out this guy is actually one of the trolls on this board.) It was a huge relief when he left halfway through the game.

Entitlement is the exact right word for this situation. Your ticket entitles you to watch the game, no more. It doesn't entitle you to act however you want in the arena to the detriment of other fans' experience.
 

It's really the same two, three people who must make an entire arena feel how they feel. Everyone else I know likes or doesn't care about YS chant. And the same two, three anti YS people are now comparing sporting events to shouting at potatoes at the supermarket! Lmao I can't argue w them anymore, I give up lol


Every person I've ever been to a Devils game with who didn't know about the YS chant in advance has thought it was classless and stupid. Including my dad, who is a former season ticket holder. There are way more than just 2 or 3 anti-YS people.

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Posted 05 December 2013 - 04:29 PM

fvck those potatoes and the bags they sacked in on!

I don't appreciate your support of potato rape.


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