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#61 Vic Rattlehead18

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 11:31 AM

Kovalchuk was awful on the forecheck.  He often took bad angles enabling easier breakout passes for the opposition.  He seldom tried to hit anyone - which I'm fine with, that's not his job - but sometimes that is what's called for so that the 2nd man can get the puck.  Yes, on that goal, Kovalchuk did take his man, but that was a rarity.  He could force a turnover if the D wasn't paying attention but other than that he was real bad out there at doing what DeBoer needed.

I don't think he was awful on the forecheck. He was horrible on the cycle.


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Posted 12 December 2013 - 12:28 PM

I don't think he was awful on the forecheck. He was horrible on the cycle.

 

I don't think he was awful on the cycle. I just think other teams made it difficult for him on the cycle because they all knew where the puck was going. That wasn't so much his flaw as it was the team's for relying on him too much to produce offense when he was on the ice. They would all make bad passes and try to force pucks, not just Kovalchuk.


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Posted 12 December 2013 - 02:37 PM

Didn't read pages 2-3 and I see this is now a thread about Kovalchuk (:P) but on the original topic of the Devil's sucking this year... I'm still hoping this will be a second half team since we will have more home games in a row and hopefully an easier schedule with the Pacific Division and Central mostly behind us.

Also the benefit of sucking in an Olympic years is that no one wants your sucky players on their sucky Olympic team. Hopefully guys can get rest and build up some momentum in the second half. This team is exhausting to watch because everything seems like a grind... but hey were not the Sabres so there's that.


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Posted 12 December 2013 - 03:03 PM

Any chance the Devils make a deal with Washington for Erat?

 

Say trade Salvador and Tedenby for Erat and Urbom.   Erats cap hit is more than his actual salary.


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Posted 12 December 2013 - 03:04 PM

Well -- I think things are off.  they have been a smidgeon off for a few years now.  It's so hard to see what's going on.  I can say it's been a little too ---  what do i want to say...  conservative.  But how to articulate in what way.

 

I;m not fond of a lot of the stubborn sticking to a plan deBoer seems to cling to.  When forced to change things up - and they start clicking -- he abandons the forced alteration the NANOSECOND it starts to give.  His clinging to what he decided equals consistancy actually creates a detrimentally inconsistent chemistry.  Players aren't grateful for chances they're feeling sh!t on when they get sent down or forced to sit.  And it's disproportionate.

 

You know - when you have a talented vet then you can pull the respect card. It's just CMON!  NO BRYCE DOES NOT GET THE (should not get the) SAME TREATMENT STEVENS DID -- WTF??????  It's clinging to a stupid idea that is just not true -- it's a faulty Devils mythos.  It WAS ABOUT THE PLAYERS -- so work with the good ones not the "character guy"  OK?    The team has to just give to that -- and they keep playing Brodeur like all rules aside for him -- see?  inconsistent as ALL sh!t!  We all see who gets it done on ice.  I'm the BIGGEST proponent of hard work over talent -- but winning kind of has to fit in there somewhere...

 

Sorry DeBo -- you have to get your mind clear and stick to losing FLAT OUT, your way so Lou can see the problem and get rid of you.... or stick to winning. 

anyhow -- the inconsistencies I see for ME, feel like they are caused by sh!tty management.  There -- fine I'm wrong whatever.  It's just what it looks, feels and sounds like.


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Posted 12 December 2013 - 06:51 PM

I really dislike PDBs line juggling. I also think he rarely ices our best team. 4th line in particular and obviously the goalie is the most glaring part of it..  I still haven't given up hope on this season however. If we could start playing our best team (and goalie) and guys like Ryder and Brunner come into their own, we could still have a long shot at this.


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Posted 12 December 2013 - 07:03 PM

Look, this was bound to happen, the Dynasty (95-03) was built mostly through the draft, and its really hard to do that when you are picking at the bottom every year, while this year is frustrating, the kids keep me excited every game.

 

And IMHO this is good compared to the 1st round exits in 97-99 when we were the best team in the eastern conf.!

Dynasty? They Yankees are a recent dynasty. The Lakers and Patriots are recent dynasties. Depending what the Heat does this year they'll be a dynasty as well. Did the Devils win 2 Cups in a row or 3 Cups in 4 years? 


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Posted 12 December 2013 - 07:30 PM

Dynasty? They Yankees are a recent dynasty. The Lakers and Patriots are recent dynasties. Depending what the Heat does this year they'll be a dynasty as well. Did the Devils win 2 Cups in a row or 3 Cups in 4 years? 

 

Are you kidding me?


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Posted 12 December 2013 - 07:41 PM

I really dislike PDBs line juggling. I also think he rarely ices our best team. 4th line in particular and obviously the goalie is the most glaring part of it.. I still haven't given up hope on this season however. If we could start playing our best team (and goalie) and guys like Ryder and Brunner come into their own, we could still have a long
shot at this.

Few things I have wrong with this, first off, Schneider has not neen terrible, while Marty hasn't really been better. Our goalies are more of a strength now. Also, Ryder is over 30 years old, I think he could be considered a veteran
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Posted 12 December 2013 - 08:05 PM

Dynasty? They Yankees are a recent dynasty. The Lakers and Patriots are recent dynasties. Depending what the Heat does this year they'll be a dynasty as well. Did the Devils win 2 Cups in a row or 3 Cups in 4 years? 

 

Oilers never won 3 in a row even in the 80's yet their 84-90 years is often considered and called a dynasty.


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Posted 12 December 2013 - 08:18 PM

I really dislike PDBs line juggling. I also think he rarely ices our best team. 4th line in particular and obviously the goalie is the most glaring part of it..  I still haven't given up hope on this season however. If we could start playing our best team (and goalie) and guys like Ryder and Brunner come into their own, we could still have a long shot at this.

eh, its not like there were set producing lines to begin with. I think the juggling had its merits and there now seems to be some harmony and consistency. plus we tend to over-emphasis the 4th line around here. 


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 12:00 AM

eh, its not like there were set producing lines to begin with. I think the juggling had its merits and there now seems to be some harmony and consistency. plus we tend to over-emphasis the 4th line around here. 

 

I agree but the lines WERE producing against the jackets, I mean we had 4 goals. What was he thinking? That somewhere there is a magic line combo that has us scoring 5 goals+ a night? He got panicked and was trying to squeeze offense out of the boys, the switch he shoulda been making was in net, but ya know PDB doesn't know which guys to use. It's a shame because the thing he actually is good at is, getting the guys that are playing to give their best effort.


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 03:55 AM

There not winning it. James won't be a miami heat after this year. Tbese are two things basketball people see this year.

Dynasty? They Yankees are a recent dynasty. The Lakers and Patriots are recent dynasties. Depending what the Heat does this year they'll be a dynasty as well. Did the Devils win 2 Cups in a row or 3 Cups in 4 years?


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 05:53 AM

My expectation coming into this season was that I was totally and absolutely sure that we would finish dead last and yet not qualify for the first overall pick because we lost this year's pick. I was positive we were going to be the NHL laughing stock. So by my measure, we're actually doing quite well. Things could be worse. We could be Buffalo. 

 

No team can suffer the losses we have seen over the last 5 years. We have bled just far too much talent. And it's not an easy job to replace it. 

 

I said I would buy NHL Centre Ice as soon as the Devils have more wins than losses. I saved my money this year. Still checking the box scores and seeing how things are going, but am not letting my mood be dictated by how some guys I don't know personally put a rubber disc into netted cage. I'm still a Devils fan as I am sure Brylin18 is. And the "go cheer for another team" crap is not useful to the conversation; you should be able to voice frustration without being told to go away. 

 

All I want now is for the Devils to continue to not be in the bottom 5 of the league *and* win on January 14th when Moustic and I are in Montreal. :) 


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 09:05 AM

There not winning it. James won't be a miami heat after this year. Tbese are two things basketball people see this year.

james are the best player.


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 09:27 AM

My expectation coming into this season was that I was totally and absolutely sure that we would finish dead last and yet not qualify for the first overall pick because we lost this year's pick. I was positive we were going to be the NHL laughing stock. So by my measure, we're actually doing quite well. Things could be worse. We could be Buffalo. 

 

No team can suffer the losses we have seen over the last 5 years. We have bled just far too much talent. And it's not an easy job to replace it. 

 

I said I would buy NHL Centre Ice as soon as the Devils have more wins than losses. I saved my money this year. Still checking the box scores and seeing how things are going, but am not letting my mood be dictated by how some guys I don't know personally put a rubber disc into netted cage. I'm still a Devils fan as I am sure Brylin18 is. And the "go cheer for another team" crap is not useful to the conversation; you should be able to voice frustration without being told to go away. 

 

All I want now is for the Devils to continue to not be in the bottom 5 of the league *and* win on January 14th when Moustic and I are in Montreal. :)

 

It's one thing to voice fustration, its another to say you will stop being a fan when things get a little tough.  Very fair weather.


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 09:46 AM

Oilers never won 3 in a row even in the 80's yet their 84-90 years is often considered and called a dynasty.

 

If 95-03 was not a dynasty, it was the closest thing you could have to a dynasty without being one.

 

3 Cup Championships in 4 Finals appearances is certaintly nothing to sneeze at


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 09:57 AM

If 95-03 was not a dynasty, it was the closest thing you could have to a dynasty without being one.

 

3 Cup Championships in 4 Finals appearances is certaintly nothing to sneeze at

 

It's a slight cut below a dynasty, but it was a hell of a great run.  Two things really hurt it, from a pure dynasty-standpoint:

 

1) Having two chances to win another Cup in 2001 (one at home), and going out with a relative whimper in both games.  I give Colorado credit for getting it done, but the way they just swatted away the Devils in Games 6 and 7 like they were some annoying little housefly hurts. 

 

2) 3 one-and-dones (two of them as a high seed) and a second-round stifling at the hands of the Rangers. 

 

But I could think of several teams that would've killed for a run like that, so true dynasty or not, was still great to be a part of.


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 10:12 AM

If 95-03 was not a dynasty, it was the closest thing you could have to a dynasty without being one.

 

3 Cup Championships in 4 Finals appearances is certaintly nothing to sneeze at

 

Oh I wasn't and 95-03 was a great run and like CR1976 said a ton of teams would have killed for that run outside the Red Wings.

 

I really do think though that winning in 2001 would have really cemented it and the Devils just blew that series, especially games 6 and 7.  I had 11th row tickets to game 6 that year as well and after tailgating for about 6 hours before, I was totally excited and ready to party the rest of the night.  Someone mentioned this a while ago (I think it might have been CR1976 as well) but walking out of the arena after game 6, we all knew it was going to be over.  It was very quiet and everyone knew they were not coming back in game 7


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 10:27 AM

Oh I wasn't and 95-03 was a great run and like CR1976 said a ton of teams would have killed for that run outside the Red Wings.

 

I really do think though that winning in 2001 would have really cemented it and the Devils just blew that series, especially games 6 and 7.  I had 11th row tickets to game 6 that year as well and after tailgating for about 6 hours before, I was totally excited and ready to party the rest of the night.  Someone mentioned this a while ago (I think it might have been CR1976 as well) but walking out of the arena after game 6, we all knew it was going to be over.  It was very quiet and everyone knew they were not coming back in game 7

 

Nope, that wasn't me...I watched the game at a hotel bar with some friends.  I was trying to remain hopeful, but Brodeur was playing so badly in that series that it was hard to do it.  When Brodeur looked absolutely awful on both of Tanguay's Game 7 goals (especially the second one), that's when I knew they were toast, even though the Devils were only down 2-0 at that point. 


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