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#21 MantaRay

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Posted 23 December 2013 - 09:34 AM

Flacco was clearly affected...I'm glad the Pats won of course, VERY happy, but this was one of those nights where Flacco being hurt affected everything for the Ravens...Ravens' D did what it could to keep their team in the game.  Game obviously got silly at the end, with the fumble recovery and interception return for TDs against Flacco's backup.  Ravens can play some D (as always). 

 

I notice Flacco immediately was off.   As usual our D kept us in it.   They can only do so much.


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Posted 23 December 2013 - 09:44 AM

I notice Flacco immediately was off.   As usual our D kept us in it.   They can only do so much.

 

When Flacco fell down, I knew then it was going to be a tough day for him...but even then, the Ravens were still in decent position to overcome it...that last failed attempted 4th down conversion killed them.  The defense was gassed by then...like you said, they can only do so much.  And on the pick that made it 41-7, the offense clearly was in "fvck it, let's just get off the field" mode..they didn't make much of an attempt to tackle Wilson.   

 

To Flacco's credit, he refused to use his knee and the brace as an excuse (basically just said he didn't play well), and I know his numbers weren't terribly good this season before he got hurt, but in previous games against the Pats he looked MUCH better than what I saw yesterday.  And I can definitely understand why the Ravens would rather go to a Flacco who looked like he was 50% at best over Tyrod Taylor...yikes. 


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Posted 23 December 2013 - 10:48 AM

For my man CR from Bill Barnwell:

 

"16. Bill Belichick: Vince Wilfork. Tommy Kelly. Jerod Mayo. Sebastian Vollmer. Rob Gronkowski. Nate Solder. On Sunday, the Patriots added Devin McCourty and Shane Vereen to their list of injured players and still managed to beat the Ravens, 41-7, in Baltimore. It must have been satisfying in some way after losing twice to the Ravens last year, including that loss in the AFC Championship Game, but even more so that the Patriots did this with a shell of their typical roster.

Normally, it's easy to chalk up this sort of New England win to what Tom Brady does on the field as a Hall of Fame–caliber quarterback, but Brady had a quiet day, going 14-of-26 for 172 yards and a touchdown. No, this was a day to congratulate Belichick, who got contributions out of players nobody else wanted. LeGarrette Blount ran for 76 yards and two touchdowns on 16 carries. Julian Edelman — who couldn't even get a million dollarson the open market this offseason — had a seven-catch day. Belichick coaxed meaningful reps from the likes of Sealver Siliga and Chris Jones at defensive tackle. He started Michael Hoomanawanui, Matthew Mulligan, Aaron Dobson, Marcus Cannon, and rookie free agent Josh Kline on offense. And those afterthoughts beat the defending Super Bowl champions by 34 points in their house. Good coaches can take yours and beat his; Belichick might just be able to take nobody's and beat yours."

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Posted 23 December 2013 - 11:16 AM

Interesting that you saw this as this morning Ron Jaworski was making the claim that this is the best season of coaching BB has ever done.


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Posted 23 December 2013 - 11:17 AM

I understand where you're coming from dr33, but yesterday to me was about Flacco being hobbled/affected more than anything else.  Game was much closer than the score appeared, even with Flacco's effectiveness being compromised.  Don't know if you watched the game, but he was having a difficult time moving around, stepping into throws, etc.   

 

It's one of those things where if you're not watching the Pats closely every week, you look at the terrific won-lost records every season (and it's been an incredible run, that is indisputable, and it won't last forever) and you say "wow!"  And if you see a fan of the team criticizing BB or the Pats in any way, you think that fan is a loon.  I get that entirely.  But like I've said before, BB is credited with being a defensive mastermind, constantly.  His defenses the past several seasons have had a hell of a time stopping even mediocre QBs.  It can't be ignored, and it's often frustrating to watch.  Come playoff time in recent seasons, even he has admitted that his teams have been getting outplayed and outcoached.  Three home playoff losses. 

 

If you want to say the playoffs are more of a crapshoot than they used to be, I can't really argue that, because we're seeing 6th seed WC teams winning Super Bowls now.  Moreso than ever, it seems to be the team that gets hot at the right time can win, even if they've been little more than "meh" for over half the season. 

 

BB has gotten QB play that most of the league would kill for, and an offense that, coming into this season, often scored a whole lot of points.  They're not blameless in the recent uneven playoff runs...they've been getting shut down, but when you're constantly scoring over 500 points, your regular season records are going to be very good.  The offense had covered up for BB's D for years, but it's rarely been the other way around, especially in big games. 

 

Though I lose it sometimes and am not always reasonable, when I step back, BB has had a good year...I thought this team was winning 10 games going in, and they have a shot at 12 and a first-round bye, even with a slew of key injuries.  They've had some luck too...beating the Browns the way they did was beyond miraculous.  And I think Joe Flacco at 100% probably finds a way to beat the Pats in his building...the game didn't get out of hand until the end, with 14 bonus points against an inept backup QB, and Flacco had guys open he would've hit on other days.  But if the Pats get the #2 seed with everything that has gone wrong (starting with Aaron Hernandez), BB deserves credit...as does Brady, who has shown yet again he can make do with whatever he has to work with.      


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It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

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Posted 23 December 2013 - 12:44 PM

I understand where you're coming from dr33, but yesterday to me was about Flacco being hobbled/affected more than anything else.  Game was much closer than the score appeared, even with Flacco's effectiveness being compromised.  Don't know if you watched the game, but he was having a difficult time moving around, stepping into throws, etc.   

 

It's one of those things where if you're not watching the Pats closely every week, you look at the terrific won-lost records every season (and it's been an incredible run, that is indisputable, and it won't last forever) and you say "wow!"  And if you see a fan of the team criticizing BB or the Pats in any way, you think that fan is a loon.  I get that entirely.  But like I've said before, BB is credited with being a defensive mastermind, constantly.  His defenses the past several seasons have had a hell of a time stopping even mediocre QBs.  It can't be ignored, and it's often frustrating to watch.  Come playoff time in recent seasons, even he has admitted that his teams have been getting outplayed and outcoached.  Three home playoff losses. 

 

If you want to say the playoffs are more of a crapshoot than they used to be, I can't really argue that, because we're seeing 6th seed WC teams winning Super Bowls now.  Moreso than ever, it seems to be the team that gets hot at the right time can win, even if they've been little more than "meh" for over half the season. 

 

BB has gotten QB play that most of the league would kill for, and an offense that, coming into this season, often scored a whole lot of points.  They're not blameless in the recent uneven playoff runs...they've been getting shut down, but when you're constantly scoring over 500 points, your regular season records are going to be very good.  The offense had covered up for BB's D for years, but it's rarely been the other way around, especially in big games. 

 

Though I lose it sometimes and am not always reasonable, when I step back, BB has had a good year...I thought this team was winning 10 games going in, and they have a shot at 12 and a first-round bye, even with a slew of key injuries.  They've had some luck too...beating the Browns the way they did was beyond miraculous.  And I think Joe Flacco at 100% probably finds a way to beat the Pats in his building...the game didn't get out of hand until the end, with 14 bonus points against an inept backup QB, and Flacco had guys open he would've hit on other days.  But if the Pats get the #2 seed with everything that has gone wrong (starting with Aaron Hernandez), BB deserves credit...as does Brady, who has shown yet again he can make do with whatever he has to work with.      

 

I missed the first half, (I needed to get some air after the Panthers game), but watched the second (wasn't a great half until the final 5 minutes), but the defense made all the big plays. I have followed the Patriots very closely for many years as my brothers lives and dies with them. 

 

This has been an incredible year for the Patriots. This is not even close to an elite team, but once again going into the final week, the conference title is in play. Pathetic conference and division be-damned. BB has not had a "good" year, but an "excellent" one. One of the most impressive Patriots seasons I can remember.


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Posted 23 December 2013 - 05:45 PM

So....now only in Dallas can Dumbo go from Hero of the Day to now on IR (potentially) with a herniated disk....how the hell does this happen??? And if he played through that....a HELL of a lot more credit to him!


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Posted 23 December 2013 - 06:01 PM

This has been a crazy year.  But the Eagles should crush be able to crush Dallas, especially if Romo is hurt.


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Posted 23 December 2013 - 06:58 PM

This has been a crazy year.  But the Eagles should crush be able to crush Dallas, especially if Romo is hurt.

 

There are two things that annoy me about this

 

1. Garrett PROBABLY gets a pass now for missing the playoffs

2. the Cowboys should run a smarter (re:run-oriented) game plan now....this might be their best approach to win regardless of QB


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Posted 23 December 2013 - 07:16 PM

Only difference really is room is more mobile then orton not much is gonna change with Orton in their. Only way they win is if the defense shows up for them. Plain and simple.

There are two things that annoy me about this

1. Garrett PROBABLY gets a pass now for missing the playoffs
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Posted 23 December 2013 - 08:29 PM

There are two things that annoy me about this

1. Garrett PROBABLY gets a pass now for missing the playoffs
2. the Cowboys should run a smarter (re:run-oriented) game plan now....this might be their best approach to win regardless of QB


1. Garrett or his replacements will never make a difference when Jones really calls the shots.

2. if the Cowboys had smarter game calling they would probably be close to undefeated this year and not wishing to make the playoffs.

I don't expect Jerry to change his offense now. He has Dez Bryant merchandise to sell.
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Posted 23 December 2013 - 09:29 PM

Nothing wrong with that Whitner hit and it cost them a td.

49ERS clinch!!!!

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Posted 24 December 2013 - 12:23 AM

I don't expect Jerry to change his offense now. He has Dez Bryant merchandise to sell.

 

Yeah because Jerry NEVER sold jerseys of a star running back in Dallas :P


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Posted 24 December 2013 - 11:07 AM

Yes, Felix Jones, Tashard Chpice and Marion Barber jerseys are just off the rack!!!
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Posted 24 December 2013 - 11:15 AM

Yes, Felix Jones, Tashard Chpice and Marion Barber jerseys are just off the rack!!!

 

But yet people still wear a "22" jersey that ain't for Bullet Bob Hayes :P


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Posted 24 December 2013 - 12:19 PM

Yes, all purchased about 20 years ago. Jerry wants new blood $$
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Posted 27 December 2013 - 10:58 AM

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000304577/article/justin-tuck-knows-sunday-might-be-his-last-giants-game

 

"Next year I'll either be here trying to put some more trophies in the trophy room, or I'll be somewhere else trying to put a trophy in the trophy room. This is a business. It's football.. change is inevitable. After that, it will be onto the next stage of my life. Finding out where I'll be employed next season. I don't know when the decision is going to be, but I'll be a little teary-eyed after Sunday's game."  --Justin Tuck

 

..wow! I know people have speculated he might be done with the Giants, but the way he's talking, the car's already packed.


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Posted 27 December 2013 - 02:07 PM

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000304577/article/justin-tuck-knows-sunday-might-be-his-last-giants-game

"Next year I'll either be here trying to put some more trophies in the trophy room, or I'll be somewhere else trying to put a trophy in the trophy room. This is a business. It's football.. change is inevitable. After that, it will be onto the next stage of my life. Finding out where I'll be employed next season. I don't know when the decision is going to be, but I'll be a little teary-eyed after Sunday's game." --Justin Tuck

..wow! I know people have speculated he might be done with the Giants, but the way he's talking, the car's already packed.

Thank god. He can take his ego someplace else. Tuck hasn't been invisible the last two years
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Posted 27 December 2013 - 04:56 PM

Thank god. He can take his ego someplace else. Tuck hasn't been invisible the last two years

 

..surprised to hear Giant fans feel that way.

The guy's going to put up yet another 10-sack season, and probably make the Probowl. (only 6 players have more sacks in the NFC) He's still only 30 years old. I'd give him a 2-3 year contract if I'm a GM looking to bulk up my front seven.


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