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Posted 28 December 2013 - 10:59 AM

It is what it is.  It's especially tough to take because the Devils went from being the team that had been among the very best at this thing to the very worst...seemingly overnight. 

 

But the whole thing is based on luck anyway.  Hopefully your goalies and your key players are terrific in them, or at least good enough to get you roughly half of the extra points available.  Devils enjoyed a lot of luck in this area for several seasons.    

 

The problem is when you seem to have no one who can succeed in shootouts, you're kind of fvcked.  You're not going to trade for a goalie simply because he's a good shootout guy, and you're not going to seek out a good shootout scorer if he can't do much elsewhere to help you.   

 

It's easy to piss on the coach's shootout selections, and I'll be the first to admit I didn't get Ryan Clowe (would've rather seen Boucher, for no other reason than he actually scored), but can I really blame DeBoer for going to Elias and Jagr?  As opposed to whom?  This is the kind of stuff that will always be second-guessed, because it's easy to do...if Elias had been bypassed last night, and the result had been the same, fans would've been bitching about Elias not being used.  When it comes to the shootout, at this point, it truly feels like DeBoer and the Devils are damned no matter what they do.  There were fans friggin' bitching about his choices when the team went 12-4 in the shootout in '11-'12.   


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Posted 28 December 2013 - 11:10 AM

I asked last night without an answer, but is this team the worst in NHL history with regards to shootouts? Anyone know where those stats are available?


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Posted 28 December 2013 - 11:31 AM

I asked last night without an answer, but is this team the worst in NHL history with regards to shootouts? Anyone know where those stats are available?

 

The worst record I can find is the Caps in '06/07 going 1-11.  The worst shooting percentage is Carolina that same year (1-17).  We're currently 0-6 record and 1-20 shooting.

 

I just went NHL.com, shootouts/team totals and clicked through every year.


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Posted 28 December 2013 - 12:01 PM

I would have let that guy who was within two inches of winning score-O be one of them :P

 

that guy sat next to me actually. All he wanted was to make the first one, and was thrilled to make the 2nd. The people behind the scenes were PRAYING he didn't get the car haha

 

but holy crap that was an embarrassing shootout "attempt" just... blargh  


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Posted 28 December 2013 - 12:12 PM

He sits Boucher because he's cold from not playing one period then puts out Clowe who's played one game in two and a half months, and probably hasn't been a good offensive player/SO player in two years.  True hilarity.

 

Boucher played like he's the one who was out for 3 months.  I'm sure that offensive ability and shootout ability just go hand in hand - that's why Matt Hendricks is lighting it up for Nashville.


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Posted 28 December 2013 - 12:58 PM

Why the fvck can't we make Jags bite the bullet and play the shootout. He's our most skilled player for God's sake, so what if he doesn't "like it" doesn't he "not like" losing every shootout this year too?? Hell even get Gelly in there and let him start slapping them, he can't do any worse than Patty Trav and Henrique


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Posted 28 December 2013 - 01:03 PM

Boucher played like he's the one who was out for 3 months.  I'm sure that offensive ability and shootout ability just go hand in hand - that's why Matt Hendricks is lighting it up for Nashville.

 

Did you see Clowe's first two attempts this season?  They were awful.  He was 0-3 last year too.  People talk about his career shootout record but the last time Clowe was any good in the shootout was 2011, which coincidentally was the last time he was a legit offensive player.  He's older and whatever step(s) he's lost has really hurt his offensive game on the whole - standard and shootouts.

 

Why the fvck can't we make Jags bite the bullet and play the shootout. He's our most skilled player for God's sake, so what if he doesn't "like it" doesn't he "not like" losing every shootout this year too?? Hell even get Gelly in there and let him start slapping them, he can't do any worse than Patty Trav and Henrique

 

Did you not notice he was shooting first last night?  He's 0-2 this year himself.


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Posted 28 December 2013 - 01:05 PM

Did you see Clowe's first two attempts this season?  They were awful.  He was 0-3 last year too.  People talk about his career shootout record but the last time Clowe was any good in the shootout was 2011, which coincidentally was the last time he was a legit offensive player.  He's older and whatever step(s) he's lost has really hurt his offensive game on the whole - standard and shootouts.

 

Wow, 0-3 - well, that settles it, guess he is bad now.  Hmm, unrelated, but this coin came up heads 5 times in a row, it's my new lucky coin.


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Posted 28 December 2013 - 01:05 PM

Did you see Clowe's first two attempts this season?  They were awful.  He was 0-3 last year too.  People talk about his career shootout record but the last time Clowe was any good in the shootout was 2011, which coincidentally was the last time he was a legit offensive player.  He's older and whatever step(s) he's lost has really hurt his offensive game on the whole - standard and shootouts.

 

 

Did you not notice he was shooting first last night?  He's 0-2 this year himself.

I didn't get to watch last night, are you talking about Jagr or Gelinas?


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Posted 28 December 2013 - 01:24 PM

Let Bernier and Gionta give it a whirl


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Posted 28 December 2013 - 01:32 PM

I didn't get to watch last night, are you talking about Jagr or Gelinas?


He is speaking about Jagr who was first in the shootout last night.

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Posted 28 December 2013 - 05:43 PM

The shootout is one area of the game that I think Teddy can excel in. Just bench him all game and if it comes down to the shootout, throw him in haha. But I honestly would of went with Teddy last night. He probably has the best set of hands and moves on the team. It could only help his confidence.

Other than that, people who complain are stupid. Do we see who has the best shootout moves in practice? No. Pete gets to see that kind of stuff. I wouldn't argue with many of the choices... more so bad luck if anything. I agree he should mix it up a bit more, especially with recent results.


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Posted 28 December 2013 - 05:51 PM

i know zajac plays well but when he rings one off the pipe and in postgame comments how they need to win the shootout i get riled.

 

last game i listed to myself who should shootout beforehand and i had elias and clowe on that list. who would argue jagr besides himself.

 

i had ryder and boucher on that list as well, but game play does factor into who i want on shootout, which also means that you dont automatically go to the same 2 or 3 guys everytime either.

 

in other words my list was wrong however agreed with debo :idea:


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Posted 28 December 2013 - 08:04 PM

Elias' shot from last night shouldn't count as an attempt. Pretty sure anyone could fire the puck directly into the goalie's chest.
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Posted 28 December 2013 - 08:13 PM

Elias' shot from last night shouldn't count as an attempt. Pretty sure anyone could fire the puck directly into the goalie's chest.

atleast he realized and said it was a complete garbage attempt
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Posted 28 December 2013 - 09:19 PM

atleast he realized and said it was a complete garbage attempt


He's got good character, I'll give him a pass on the total brain fart that was that shot.
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Posted 28 December 2013 - 10:15 PM

He's got good character, I'll give him a pass on the total brain fart that was that shot.

 

I don't think it was a brain fart. He was probably attempting this...

 


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Posted 28 December 2013 - 10:17 PM

I don't think it was a brain fart. He was probably attempting this...
 

hey ya cant nab it every time!
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Posted 28 December 2013 - 11:48 PM

Its not really about luck its all about skills. Its not a coincidence that were in the bottom of the league in scoring and not scoring against a goalie by himself. Also not a coincidence that when kovalchuk was not scoring in the last 2 seasons that we were not winning in the shootouts. We were winning because of kovy and zach all the time, after them we had nothing.

In my mind brunner, boucher, jagr, teddy and elias should be the best we have based on their hands, they know how to undress a goalie. But apparently, not the case

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Posted 29 December 2013 - 01:03 AM

Its not really about luck its all about skills. Its not a coincidence that were in the bottom of the league in scoring and not scoring against a goalie by himself. Also not a coincidence that when kovalchuk was not scoring in the last 2 seasons that we were not winning in the shootouts. We were winning because of kovy and zach all the time, after them we had nothing.

In my mind brunner, boucher, jagr, teddy and elias should be the best we have based on their hands, they know how to undress a goalie. But apparently, not the case

 

'After them we had nothing' - Elias is a 36% lifetime shooter and was 6 for 12 that season, but yeah, I agree, nothing.  Clowe is also around that mark lifetime.  Hard to do significantly better than that - certainly Parise was better.  That's what I mean when I say luck - the Devils were 28 for 49 in 2011-12.  If the Devils were one person, that's better than any shooter in league history with more than 25 attempts.  Frans Nielsen is 53% in the shootout lifetime in 52 attempts.

 

 

I don't care what team you are - an ECHL team would do better than 1 for 20 in the shootout against an NHL team.  NJ is a below average shootout team, that doesn't mean they should lose every one.  


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