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#141 lazer

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 09:48 PM

Yeah Dano, I would've used a shadow on Sharp too. The kind that leaves Sharp picking up his fukcing teeth and wondering what city he's in. You don't let one player fvck with you like that.

 

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 09:53 PM

Yes, he had a great game and it was a positive that he contributed. However, when he is your best player you're not winning many games because he isn't your best player. He's a 4th liner. He's a supporting player and quite frankly, a guy who has one or two of these types of games out of every 15-20 and it brainwashes Pete into thinking he's capable of this play on a consistent level.

how often is gionta the best player though? There's a reason everyone on here is praising him tonight, and it's because he played much better than usual. To me if gionta is the best 4th liner on the ice that's all I need, and on many nights I think he is just that.

Our top lines didn't make much happen tonight, and I get that's the point you're trying to make. So rather than even mentioning gionta, just say the j├Ągr and herinque lines were bad.
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Posted 03 January 2014 - 09:55 PM

from 1996 to 2008 the hawks made the playoffs once (outed in the first round winning one game), and never finished higher than 3rd in their division in any other of the seasons. Their two best players are 3rd and 1st overall picks in back to back years. If that's not tanking I don't know what is.

I'm not saying they intentionally lost games, but I for one would not accept a decade of failure like they did. I give them credit for rebooking and winning it all again last year, but again this was all after ten years of failing.

 

They've also put a pretty impressive supporting cast around them, too. Sharp was robbery in hindsight, Hossa was a FA and the rest like Shaw and Kruger were a nice job of drafting well in later rounds and a nice find in Saad as a second round. They also have nice supporting depth in Oduya, Bollig, and Handzus....i mean it's a really good put together team that's going to have a chance to repeat. It wasn't all built on "tanking", just a good job by the front office and scouting dept. They reaped the rewards with Toews and Kane, but they also did a great job building a winner, having to break it up and rebuilding it into a winner again  that's got a good chance to be playing in June.


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Posted 03 January 2014 - 09:58 PM

Top two lines were no good tonight, but that's to be expected - they're playing Chicago, for god's sake.  Bottom two lines were phenomenal, with the 4th line being terrific and earning shifts all the way up to the end.  Reid Boucher, if he continues to play like this, has to play more.  He was NJ's best forward tonight.  I liked what Sislo brought as well.

 

DeBoer gave up because they have a game tomorrow night on the road.  You're way less than 1% to come back in that spot and he folded up the tent because he had already played his best guys enough tonight.

 

Brodeur wasn't good enough either, but again - that's to generally be expected.  Now that Schneider is getting the easy matchup, it's time for him to come up with a 2 or fewer goals against game and begin to take the crease away from Brodeur.  The Sabres will really struggle with the Jagr line - indeed, even though Buffalo was resting tonight, I expect NJ to really put the screws to them.


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Posted 03 January 2014 - 10:03 PM

I liked the effort tonight. Greene-Fayne and Salvador-Merrill with tough matchups and no OZ starts. I can't really complain about them. Rough night for Gelinas though. Not going to get upset over a loss to a team like the Blackhawks. Wish they could've gotten a point though. Thought Sislo had a nice debut.

 

Agreed on most. Gelinas had a tough night but it wasn't that bad. The first goal was not off his turnover. He went up the middle of the ice with a pass and Henrique got stripped. Not going to kill him on the Saad goal either. But, he is playing himself out of the lineup, and it looks like he lost his confidence.

 

The Hawks are just scary dangerous. The Devils get a breakaway and it's a pretty crummy shot by Gionta. The results are going to be different when you give Sharp one.

 

Gionta was really good. His best game as a Devil. Loktionov had as good a game I can remember. It's amazing how much better he looks without Janssen. And it's nice to see a line entirely made up of offensive players and seeing them generate really good chances.

 

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 10:05 PM

remember last game against sabres, not again.


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Posted 03 January 2014 - 10:06 PM

They've also put a pretty impressive supporting cast around them, too. Sharp was robbery in hindsight, Hossa was a FA and the rest like Shaw and Kruger were a nice job of drafting well in later rounds and a nice find in Saad as a second round. They also have nice supporting depth in Oduya, Bollig, and Handzus....i mean it's a really good put together team that's going to have a chance to repeat. It wasn't all built on "tanking", just a good job by the front office and scouting dept. They reaped the rewards with Toews and Kane, but they also did a great job building a winner, having to break it up and rebuilding it into a winner again  that's got a good chance to be playing in June.

this is all true and I don't disagree one bit, however stereo's original complaint was how the hawks have so much talent and we don't. If you take off toews and Kane from that team suddenly their talent isn't so impressive. How are the devils ever expected to get a toews or a Kane when we never have back to back top 3 picks because we don't accept ten years of losing?
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Posted 03 January 2014 - 10:07 PM

schneids in net tomorrow. this will be intresting


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Posted 03 January 2014 - 10:20 PM

this is all true and I don't disagree one bit, however stereo's original complaint was how the hawks have so much talent and we don't. If you take off toews and Kane from that team suddenly their talent isn't so impressive. How are the devils ever expected to get a toews or a Kane when we never have back to back top 3 picks because we don't accept ten years of losing?

 

The Devils didn't have Toews and Kane from losing, but they had Parise and Kovalchuk. You can see the Devils talent level since they left regardless of contracts, money and how you view them. I'd rather have Toews and Kane then Parise and Kovalchuk anyday but i guess all things being relative, perhaps the Hawks would be what the Devils are now with having to find stop gaps, make over payments on FA's and sign mid level players. Top talent is tough to replace as it is and true franchise players very rarely get to free agency and when they do (or some overrated version of one), they get Parise-like contracts. It's all about building from within and unfortunately that comes from losing.


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Posted 03 January 2014 - 10:46 PM

this is all true and I don't disagree one bit, however stereo's original complaint was how the hawks have so much talent and we don't. If you take off toews and Kane from that team suddenly their talent isn't so impressive. 

 

lol they still have Sharp, Hossa, Keith, Seabrook and a host of other good role players.


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Posted 03 January 2014 - 10:54 PM

lol they still have Sharp, Hossa, Keith, Seabrook and a host of other good role players.

 

In other words, they're pretty much the Devils. Give maybe a slight edge in skill. Taking those two away from that lineup alters them dramatically because they are both legit franchise players.

 

Sharp and Hossa don't exactly play with Handzus now do they? 


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Posted 03 January 2014 - 11:46 PM

If Schneider has a strong game tomorrow and isn't in net against Philly I'll be irate

In other words, they're pretty much the Devils. Give maybe a slight edge in skill. Taking those two away from that lineup alters them dramatically because they are both legit franchise players.

Sharp and Hossa don't exactly play with Handzus now do they?

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Posted 04 January 2014 - 12:01 AM

The Devils didn't have Toews and Kane from losing, but they had Parise and Kovalchuk. You can see the Devils talent level since they left regardless of contracts, money and how you view them. I'd rather have Toews and Kane then Parise and Kovalchuk anyday but i guess all things being relative, perhaps the Hawks would be what the Devils are now with having to find stop gaps, make over payments on FA's and sign mid level players. Top talent is tough to replace as it is and true franchise players very rarely get to free agency and when they do (or some overrated version of one), they get Parise-like contracts. It's all about building from within and unfortunately that comes from losing.

  I think we're basically agreeing... The only way we get a toews or a Kane is to stink and select the right player in the right draft. For instance, if Chicago had the third pick in the 2005 draft instead of the 2006 draft they probably wind up with jack Johnson instead of toews. (They did have the 7th overall that year and picked skille, who has amounted to nothing so far) basically, look at Edmonton now. They're a laughing stock and the butt of jokes but eventually the blind chicken finds the egg and in then years someone will say "boy I wish we had the oilers talent"- we'll yeah, you can have it, but you have to suck and eventually get lucky to get it.

And on a side note parise is not on the same level as toes and Kane who are both probably top ten nhl forwards.

lol they still have Sharp, Hossa, Keith, Seabrook and a host of other good role players.

I never said they we're crap without those two but do you think they are championship contenders if you take them off the team?
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Posted 04 January 2014 - 01:13 AM

Who are we to say no? They have scoring from Every angel outside of those two and their defense is good enough. They have five or six stars in that team.

I think we're basically agreeing... The only way we get a toews or a Kane is to stink and select the right player in the right draft. For instance, if Chicago had the third pick in the 2005 draft instead of the 2006 draft they probably wind up with jack Johnson instead of toews. (They did have the 7th overall that year and picked skille, who has amounted to nothing so far) basically, look at Edmonton now. They're a laughing stock and the butt of jokes but eventually the blind chicken finds the egg and in then years someone will say "boy I wish we had the oilers talent"- we'll yeah, you can have it, but you have to suck and eventually get lucky to get it.

And on a side note parise is not on the same level as toes and Kane who are both probably top ten nhl forwards. I never said they we're crap without those two but do you think they are championship contenders if you take them off the team?


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Posted 04 January 2014 - 01:31 AM

Anything I need to see here, or does the boxscore tell the story, that the Toews line obliterated the Henrique line, 4-0 on the score sheet, and 11-2 as shots go for the forwards?


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Posted 04 January 2014 - 08:00 AM

In other words, they're pretty much the Devils. Give maybe a slight edge in skill. Taking those two away from that lineup alters them dramatically because they are both legit franchise players.

 

Sharp and Hossa don't exactly play with Handzus now do they? 

 

Except they're still a playoff team - well maybe in the West it's a little iffy but certainly in the East.  Not a championship caliber one but still one with a lot of talent, certainly more than our team.  Besides you could do that exercise for ANYONE without their two best players.  Christ without Jagr alone we'd probably be a top five lottery team this year...if we had a pick anyway.


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Posted 04 January 2014 - 08:23 AM

Anything I need to see here, or does the boxscore tell the story, that the Toews line obliterated the Henrique line, 4-0 on the score sheet, and 11-2 as shots go for the forwards?

clowe and ryder are dead weight in the DZ, poor henri was working OT, lol.  get patty back and we have better options against elite offensive talent

 

again at least we were competitive for good long stretchs


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Posted 04 January 2014 - 12:06 PM

couldnt believe how many hawks fans were in the building last night.. one of them was walking threw the halls screaming lets go black hawks during an intermission.. come into our building and disrespect unreal.
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Posted 04 January 2014 - 12:09 PM

Top two lines were no good tonight, but that's to be expected - they're playing Chicago, for god's sake.  Bottom two lines were phenomenal, with the 4th line being terrific and earning shifts all the way up to the end.  Reid Boucher, if he continues to play like this, has to play more.  He was NJ's best forward tonight.  I liked what Sislo brought as well.

 

DeBoer gave up because they have a game tomorrow night on the road.  You're way less than 1% to come back in that spot and he folded up the tent because he had already played his best guys enough tonight.

 

Brodeur wasn't good enough either, but again - that's to generally be expected.  Now that Schneider is getting the easy matchup, it's time for him to come up with a 2 or fewer goals against game and begin to take the crease away from Brodeur.  The Sabres will really struggle with the Jagr line - indeed, even though Buffalo was resting tonight, I expect NJ to really put the screws to them.

 

Boucher was not the best forward, not even close.  I don't know what game you watched.  He was better than he's looked in previous games, but that's not saying much.  He looked brutal in a few of the other games with falling all over the ice, losing his position, not recognizing his shooting space.  He rushed quite a few shots last night and blew a couple beautiful opportunities that were gift-wrapped for him.  

 

Plain and simple, he looks raw and nervous.  He needs more time and more experience.  But moreso, he's clearly a guy who if he doesn't score, won't be able to stick regularly in the lineup.


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Posted 04 January 2014 - 12:14 PM

Boucher was not the best forward, not even close.  I don't know what game you watched.  He was better than he's looked in previous games, but that's not saying much.  He looked brutal in a few of the other games with falling all over the ice, losing his position, not recognizing his shooting space.  He rushed quite a few shots last night and blew a couple beautiful opportunities that were gift-wrapped for him.  
 
Plain and simple, he looks raw and nervous.  He needs more time and more experience.  But moreso, he's clearly a guy who if he doesn't score, won't be able to stick regularly in the lineup.

agreed boucher hasnt been so good i think he needs to go back down .. hes only 18 i hope he can develop a little more
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