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#61 ThreeCups

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Posted 05 January 2014 - 10:35 AM

I still would have stuck with the kids over A-Train


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Posted 05 January 2014 - 10:37 AM

BTW, here's Gelinas's last 9 games:

11 shots, 0 +/-. 46.7% shots %, 49.2% fenwick, 50.2% Corsi, zone start: 62.6% - that's unacceptable. if he's eating up a lot of NJ's offensive zone draws and breaking even with them, NJ can use someone else in that spot.

Who do you suggest outside of the slow D we do have?

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Posted 05 January 2014 - 11:20 AM

Why is this hate for Merrill? he's been really good, realy good. Steady hand back there and he's been in the league for a month. 
 
I still want to see Gelly back up and paired with Larsson it was the best both of them played.

merrill is looking better each game i think... a week or so ago he was making mistake after mistake
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Posted 05 January 2014 - 11:27 AM

When I was in hs I was playing varsity baseball as a soph, but started getting overwhelmed so I asked the coach if I could go play a few games at jv to get my confidence back. He f'n ripped me a new one. You never never ever ask to be sent down, no matter how logical it seems or comfortable it makes you feel. not saying gelinas asked to go to Albany, of course, but he should work his kinks out with the big squad. They know what he can do. The team is teetering on the brink as it is, and replacement (volch, sal?) clearly aren't the future (or the present).
These psychological, in the lineup, out of the lineup, up and down moves are bs. Put the best guys in there, let them learn, what have we got to lose? We lost to the sabres and only scored one f'n goal, so they send packing the best goal scoring defenseman? Good f'n plan. Maybe he'll learn his game and sign with Detroit or Chicago next contract time. No accountability on this team whatsoever. None.

 

As you said "put the best guys in". The issue is that Gelinas hasn't been one of the best guys in a few weeks. He needs to go back down and find his game. Confidence is huge and he seems to have lost his. His biggest asset is his offense, and he has 1 assist in the last 7 games while being real bad in his own end. Just throwing a bunch of young guys in to learn on the fly is how you get teams like Edmonton and the Islanders right now. 

 

 

 

No accountability on this team whatsoever. None.

 

This is accountability. They want him to get his game back. 


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Posted 05 January 2014 - 12:28 PM

I'm ok with gelinas sitting he has lost a bit of what he had. However, volch and salvador back in the line up together? Didnt we see this movie earlier this year. 


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Posted 05 January 2014 - 01:22 PM

He's not though.  That's just it.  It's not a 'roster crunch' move - NJ could've waived Janssen.  They could trade Fayne in the next week, certainly.  But I don't think consistently flubbed passes and shots as well as constantly being beat wide were part of the Gelinas deal.  Poor D zone coverage, sure, that you can live with.  Other stuff, not really.

 

You and I both know they're not waiving Janssen, especially with him taking a paycut.   He's their mascot.    They had to send both Gelinas and Merill down pretty soon (barring yet another injury), and it was pretty likely Tedenby was going to get waived when Elias came back (so they got to it early).

 

He had hit a rough patch, so did Zidlicky before the last few games.   I just think they got a little out front on it, but if all of the "injured" players are going to start coming back, there's not much you can do


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Posted 05 January 2014 - 02:28 PM

Why is this hate for Merrill? he's been really good, realy good. Steady hand back there and he's been in the league for a month.

I still want to see Gelly back up and paired with Larsson it was the best both of them played.


I love Merrill's potential but he makes too many mistakes, and isn't NHL ready. Give him some more time in Albany to gain pro experience.
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Posted 05 January 2014 - 02:33 PM

we keep talking about the young guys mistakes... but seriously who was in front of the net not doing anything for the first goal yesterday after being pinned in their own zone for like a minute not able to get the puck out last night? Salvador and A-Train.

 

With their speed they get caught flat footed so often, at least the kids have the speed to at least try to correct their mistakes if they let a guy go, plus they can bring offence. Sal and Volch cant get the puck out other than if they have a straight skating line  to the red line then they'll slap it around the boards, or they'll ice it or bank it along the boards just to give it back to the other team.

 

PLUS, our system rely A LOT on getting the puck to the point, we all know that if the puck goes to the point to Volch or Sal... thats it. The play won't continue or have a high scoring chance there. At least again the kids can handle the puck, shoot a lot better or go back and forth between them and make good passes from time to time.


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Posted 05 January 2014 - 03:04 PM

we keep talking about the young guys mistakes... but seriously who was in front of the net not doing anything for the first goal yesterday after being pinned in their own zone for like a minute not able to get the puck out last night? Salvador and A-Train.
 
With their speed they get caught flat footed so often, at least the kids have the speed to at least try to correct their mistakes if they let a guy go, plus they can bring offence. Sal and Volch cant get the puck out other than if they have a straight skating line  to the red line then they'll slap it around the boards, or they'll ice it or bank it along the boards just to give it back to the other team.
 
PLUS, our system rely A LOT on getting the puck to the point, we all know that if the puck goes to the point to Volch or Sal... thats it. The play won't continue or have a high scoring chance there. At least again the kids can handle the puck, shoot a lot better or go back and forth between them and make good passes from time to time.

You need your defenseman to play defense first. Zidlicky is already a liability on the blue line and we can't afford another. With gelinas in the lineup it means he or zidlicky would need to get significant pk time and that is unacceptable.

This was the best move for everyone, Gelinas can work some kinks out and will probably be back up at some point this season.

I will be surprised if they send Merrill down this week (or whenever larsson gets back). Pete has been trusting him a lot and despite a bad penalty late last night he has been pretty solid. If Lou can't swing a trade I think they'may use a 7 d rotation with Fayne doing some sitting in the press box.

Of course it's Lou though so you never know...
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Posted 05 January 2014 - 10:33 PM

You and I both know they're not waiving Janssen, especially with him taking a paycut.   He's their mascot.    They had to send both Gelinas and Merill down pretty soon (barring yet another injury), and it was pretty likely Tedenby was going to get waived when Elias came back (so they got to it early).

 

He had hit a rough patch, so did Zidlicky before the last few games.   I just think they got a little out front on it, but if all of the "injured" players are going to start coming back, there's not much you can do

 

I don't know that.  Janssen spent almost all of last year in the minors and he's more than fungible if the GM decides he wants NHL players.  Furthermore, him taking a paycut - he was signed to a two-way deal for a reason, that's what two-way deals are there for.  So that the guy gets less money if he plays in the AHL - a designation which he received for almost all of last year and would've probably gotten most of this year, too, had things broken even slightly differently.

 

Gelinas might not have been sent down if the roster situation was different but he certainly would've earned a benching with his recent play.  I'm not convinced that Merrill goes down when Larsson returns - they could deal Fayne and trust that they have 8 guys (Zidlicky, Salvador, Volchenkov, Greene, Larsson, Gelinas, Merrill, Harrold) when the situation merits it.


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Posted 05 January 2014 - 10:35 PM

we keep talking about the young guys mistakes... but seriously who was in front of the net not doing anything for the first goal yesterday after being pinned in their own zone for like a minute not able to get the puck out last night? Salvador and A-Train.

 

With their speed they get caught flat footed so often, at least the kids have the speed to at least try to correct their mistakes if they let a guy go, plus they can bring offence. Sal and Volch cant get the puck out other than if they have a straight skating line  to the red line then they'll slap it around the boards, or they'll ice it or bank it along the boards just to give it back to the other team.

 

PLUS, our system rely A LOT on getting the puck to the point, we all know that if the puck goes to the point to Volch or Sal... thats it. The play won't continue or have a high scoring chance there. At least again the kids can handle the puck, shoot a lot better or go back and forth between them and make good passes from time to time.

 

Gelinas playing as he has would just flub the shot half the time.  He'll be back.  Also how's Urbom doing?


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Posted 05 January 2014 - 10:37 PM

Gelinas playing as he has would just flub the shot half the time.  He'll be back.  Also how's Urbom doing?


So why do you bring uo the urbom thing?
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Posted 05 January 2014 - 10:41 PM

So why do you bring uo the urbom thing?

 

Eh, just to throw in a cheap shot.  Guess I could've just bumped the Urbom thread.


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Posted 05 January 2014 - 10:53 PM

Eh, just to throw in a cheap shot.  Guess I could've just bumped the Urbom thread.


Sure bump it up. Want me to bump the one where you said we'd be perfectly fine without Zach and that he'll be watching us in the playoffs from his couch in minny? Lol kind of funny cause the opposite happened
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Posted 05 January 2014 - 11:35 PM

Sure bump it up. Want me to bump the one where you said we'd be perfectly fine without Zach and that he'll be watching us in the playoffs from his couch in minny? Lol kind of funny cause the opposite happened

 

Sure, if you believe that happened, go ahead.  I probably did say that - 'course the Wild dominated their way into the playoffs and lost in 5 games and don't exactly look like they're playoff locks this year either, but hey.


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Posted 05 January 2014 - 11:56 PM

Merrill has been better then gelinas so stop with that whole thing. Gelly could use it. No big deal
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Posted 06 January 2014 - 03:03 AM

Merrill has been better then gelinas so stop with that whole thing. Gelly could use it. No big deal

 

How has Merrill been better than Gelinas?


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Posted 06 January 2014 - 03:09 AM

It has been said before my post plenty of times. Defensively he's been better then gelinias has.

How has Merrill been better than Gelinas?


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Posted 06 January 2014 - 03:14 AM

BTW, here's Gelinas's last 9 games:

 

11 shots, 0 +/-. 46.7% shots %, 49.2% fenwick, 50.2% Corsi, zone start:  62.6% - that's unacceptable.  if he's eating up a lot of NJ's offensive zone draws and breaking even with them, NJ can use someone else in that spot.

 

I understand he hasn't been playing well.  But if the team wants to win, you let Gelinas try and battle through this.  He's been one of the best offensive players on the team, and the team hasn't been scoring a whole a lot of goals.  We need his offense in order to stay in the playoff race.  Offense is something Merrill hasn't shown at all.


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Posted 06 January 2014 - 03:17 AM

It has been said before my post plenty of times. Defensively he's been better then gelinias has.

 

But overall Gelinas has been better.  And like I said, if we want to win, we need offense.  And Gelinas has been far better offensively.


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