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Posted 23 February 2014 - 11:29 AM

Parise won't ever be Captain of Team USA ever again...

 

Probably not, but who cares. I am sure he was a fine captain. These mythical leaders that people have in their heads that  give 'Any Given Sunday' speeches don't exist.

 

You now who the US had on their roster? Captain of the LA Kings Dustin Brown. Captain of the New York Rangers Ryan Callahan. Captain of the St Louis Blues David Backes. Veteran alternate captains in Ryan Suter and Brooks Orpik.

 

Do you think any of these guys needed to be lead by Zach Parise? Not getting up for the bronze medal game is the fault of everyone, and if someone didn't think the team had the right mindset, any one of the vets could have stepped up and said something or done something about it. The same ones that people here probably think would be a better captain than Zach Parise.


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Posted 23 February 2014 - 12:02 PM

Probably not, but who cares. I am sure he was a fine captain. These mythical leaders that people have in their heads that give 'Any Given Sunday' speeches don't exist.

You now who the US had on their roster? Captain of the LA Kings Dustin Brown. Captain of the New York Rangers Ryan Callahan. Captain of the St Louis Blues David Backes. Veteran alternate captains in Ryan Suter and Brooks Orpik.

Do you think any of these guys needed to be lead by Zach Parise? Not getting up for the bronze medal game is the fault of everyone, and if someone didn't think the team had the right mindset, any one of the vets could have stepped up and said something or done something about it. The same ones that people here probably think would be a better captain than Zach Parise.


It's also not like they got swept in a four game series by an AHL team. They lost by one goal to a stacked Canadian team, and to a very good Finnish team. sh!t happens.


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Posted 23 February 2014 - 12:02 PM

Don't really understand what you guys are upset about.. The Canadian team was by far the best in these olympics. This bs about "not showing up" is nonsense. They were dominated by a superior team. Just like the swedes.


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Posted 23 February 2014 - 12:15 PM

Tsss so typical... We win gold again
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Posted 23 February 2014 - 12:21 PM

Tsss so typical... We win gold again

 

First Gold medal on International ice since 1956.

 

Edit: Make that 1952.


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Posted 23 February 2014 - 12:53 PM

Tsss so typical... We win gold again

 

I have a strong hunch if the Canadian team had lost to the US, you'd either be in hiding or bitching about how they got screwed somehow. 

 

You're really not much different from the Canadiens fans you claim to despise...you just happen to root for a different team than they do. 


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Posted 23 February 2014 - 12:53 PM

Tsss so typical... We win gold again


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Posted 23 February 2014 - 01:03 PM

I have a strong hunch if the Canadian team had lost to the US, you'd either be in hiding or bitching about how they got screwed somehow. 

 

You're really not much different from the Canadiens fans you claim to despise...you just happen to root for a different team than they do. 

If the USA had won that game I certainly would have been saying it was simply bad luck. Canada absolutely dominated this tournament possession wise and had the top goaltender.


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Posted 23 February 2014 - 01:19 PM

Give the Olympic hockey back to the young college kids......no more NHL players.


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Posted 23 February 2014 - 01:37 PM

Guess I'm happy Queenie didn't get another gold


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Posted 23 February 2014 - 01:43 PM

Pretty cool interview with Teemu.  Shows how just..respected he is in Finland when the freakin reporter gets emotional.  Awesome stuff.

 


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Posted 23 February 2014 - 02:47 PM

The current Devils are the ultimate proof that shootouts are NOT a crapshoot. It's results are clearly skill based. The debate is whether you think a players individual skill should decide the outcome of a game.

GL today Canada, I have to many potentially gloating swedes at my workplace. :D


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That's why Matt Hendricks and Brad Boyes are beasts at them, right?  That's why Crosby and Ovechkin are only league average at them, right?  They are just a crapshoot.  Hell even Ryane Clowe was at 40% coming into this season.  The Devils have plenty of guys who are at worst league average, and capable of putting pucks in during shootout attempts.  There is very little correlation between skill and shootout success rate.

 

Anyways, this is the Olympics thread.  The fact Backstrom couldn't play because he took allergy medicine has to be one of the more ridiculous things ever.  But I definitely don't have a problem with the Olympic committee having such a strict Substance Abuse policy.  Tough break for Sweden.


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Posted 23 February 2014 - 03:13 PM

That's why Matt Hendricks and Brad Boyes are beasts at them, right?  That's why Crosby and Ovechkin are only league average at them, right?  They are just a crapshoot.  Hell even Ryane Clowe was at 40% coming into this season.  The Devils have plenty of guys who are at worst league average, and capable of putting pucks in during shootout attempts.  There is very little correlation between skill and shootout success rate.

 

I have a hard time taking you seriously if you really are suggesting all players have an equal chance at scoring on penalty shots. There's just no logic to that at all.


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Posted 23 February 2014 - 03:44 PM

I have a hard time taking you seriously if you really are suggesting all players have an equal chance at scoring on penalty shots. There's just no logic to that at all.

 

Sure it may not make logical sense, but the numbers don't always coincide with logic.  

 

Clowe and Elias prior to this season were both at 40% coming into this season which is very good.  Now neither can score at all in shootouts.  Zajac was like 35% prior to this year which is roughly the same as Ovechkin.  Zajac is like 28% now I think.

 

Honestly, our shootout record is mostly because of bad luck and our goaltending.  The goaltending in the shootouts has been pretty bad.  We've also hit a lot of posts or missed the net.  It becomes a mental thing after a while.


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Posted 23 February 2014 - 04:13 PM



Sure it may not make logical sense, but the numbers don't always coincide with logic.  

 

Clowe and Elias prior to this season were both at 40% coming into this season which is very good.  Now neither can score at all in shootouts.  Zajac was like 35% prior to this year which is roughly the same as Ovechkin.  Zajac is like 28% now I think.

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Honestly, our shootout record is mostly because of bad luck and our goaltending.  The goaltending in the shootouts has been pretty bad.  We've also hit a lot of posts or missed the net.  It becomes a mental thing after a while.

 

 

LOL. One SO goal scored all season is "bad luck" AND goaltending? How can you even put goaltending in it? The team has scored ONE SO goal all season. They are operating under historical levels of futility here. 

 

The Devils as a group are taking bad attempts. They are also a bit exposed not having players like Kovalchuk and Parise "lead off" the SO with a goal. Bad luck isn't missing the net. Hitting posts is a better example of bad luck. The puck squeezing through pads and stopping just short of a goal is bad luck There's just no excuse to reasonably miss the net on a SO attempt in the first place.

 

As far as players, how many times has Elias half assed a shot into the pads? How many times has Zajac gotten in too close before making a move? Henrique? I can name twice, on his backhand and forehand, he made the right move and missed top shelf. 

 

If they were just bad, instead of historically futile, they've gotten good enough goaltending to win a few of these at least.


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Posted 23 February 2014 - 04:30 PM

LOL. One SO goal scored all season is "bad luck" AND goaltending? How can you even put goaltending in it? The team has scored ONE SO goal all season. They are operating under historical levels of futility here.

The Devils as a group are taking bad attempts. They are also a bit exposed not having players like Kovalchuk and Parise "lead off" the SO with a goal. Bad luck isn't missing the net. Hitting posts is a better example of bad luck. The puck squeezing through pads and stopping just short of a goal is bad luck There's just no excuse to reasonably miss the net on a SO attempt in the first place.

As far as players, how many times has Elias half assed a shot into the pads? How many times has Zajac gotten in too close before making a move? Henrique? I can name twice, on his backhand and forehand, he made the right move and missed top shelf.

They've gotten good enough goaltending to win a few of these at least.


Edit. Nevermind.


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Posted 23 February 2014 - 04:32 PM

its not who has the most skill in regulation, its who has skill with plenty of time and no one hanging on them.

 

its still a skill.


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Posted 23 February 2014 - 04:34 PM

That's why Matt Hendricks and Brad Boyes are beasts at them, right?  That's why Crosby and Ovechkin are only league average at them, right?  They are just a crapshoot.  Hell even Ryane Clowe was at 40% coming into this season.  The Devils have plenty of guys who are at worst league average, and capable of putting pucks in during shootout attempts.  There is very little correlation between skill and shootout success rate.

 

Anyways, this is the Olympics thread.  The fact Backstrom couldn't play because he took allergy medicine has to be one of the more ridiculous things ever.  But I definitely don't have a problem with the Olympic committee having such a strict Substance Abuse policy.  Tough break for Sweden.

The Devils have plenty of guys capable of putting pucks in during shootouts.....Then why the fvck don't they......your way off on this .


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Posted 23 February 2014 - 05:31 PM

LOL. One SO goal scored all season is "bad luck" AND goaltending? How can you even put goaltending in it? The team has scored ONE SO goal all season. They are operating under historical levels of futility here. 

 

The Devils as a group are taking bad attempts. They are also a bit exposed not having players like Kovalchuk and Parise "lead off" the SO with a goal. Bad luck isn't missing the net. Hitting posts is a better example of bad luck. The puck squeezing through pads and stopping just short of a goal is bad luck There's just no excuse to reasonably miss the net on a SO attempt in the first place.

 

As far as players, how many times has Elias half assed a shot into the pads? How many times has Zajac gotten in too close before making a move? Henrique? I can name twice, on his backhand and forehand, he made the right move and missed top shelf. 

 

If they were just bad, instead of historically futile, they've gotten good enough goaltending to win a few of these at least.

 

The goaltender always has the statistical advantage when it comes to penalty shots and shootouts.  Otherwise the league shooting percentage wouldn't be at 32%.  Look the Devils don't have a team of Cam Janssens here.  They have guys who have had success in the past on this roster.  It just goes to show how quickly things can turn around.

 

It's funny you bring up Zajac, Elias, and Henrique.  All three of those guys have hit the post or have actually beaten the goalie only to fail at actually putting the puck in.  The only explanation is bad luck in those instances.  The hardest part of shootouts is getting the goalie out of position.  The team has been successful at doing that.  Actually putting the puck in should be the easy part, but it hasn't happened at all.

 

There is no explanation for the failures this year other than bad luck.

 

The Devils have plenty of guys capable of putting pucks in during shootouts.....Then why the fvck don't they......your way off on this .

 

Elias and Clowe were at around a 38-40% clip prior to this season.  Zajac was around 30-35% which is at worst league average.  So yes they clearly have capable people.

 

PRIOR TO 2013-2014

Elias: 39%

Clowe: 39%

Zajac: 33%

 

PRESENT TIME

Elias: 36%

Clowe: 36%

Zajac: 27%


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Posted 23 February 2014 - 05:57 PM

Congrats to Canada, they played great.

 

The U.S. finish, I'm sorry to say, was a huge disappointment. Reading the quotes from the players, I'd say they feel the same.


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