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#161 coldply123

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Posted 19 January 2014 - 11:26 AM

lol yes, that ridiculous CORSI stat.  The Devils aren't scoring enough GOALS and Brodeur isn't making enough SAVES.

 

I didn't know a poor hockey team has an even goal differential, and that's with Brodeur doing his usual Brodeur thing.  And yes, CORSI is SOOO hard to understand - it's nonsense!

 

Yup.  Typical Triumph.


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Posted 19 January 2014 - 11:35 AM

Yup.  Typical Triumph.

 

Typical coldply.  No substantive response, just 'Lou sucks and DeBoer sucks'.  Here, I'll help you out - you can name the top 5 free agent bargains this off-season.  One is Jagr and one is Zidlicky.  This team is sunk without both and worse without either one.  NJ signed 6 players UFA this off-season and while Olesz didn't work out and Brunner's had some rocky periods, everyone else pretty much has (when healthy, of course).  That's not easy to do.

 

Shootouts may ultimately be what keeps the team from the playoffs, but it's one of the 8 best teams in the Conference.


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Posted 19 January 2014 - 11:56 AM

Typical coldply.  No substantive response, just 'Lou sucks and DeBoer sucks'.  Here, I'll help you out - you can name the top 5 free agent bargains this off-season.  One is Jagr and one is Zidlicky.  This team is sunk without both and worse without either one.  NJ signed 6 players UFA this off-season and while Olesz didn't work out and Brunner's had some rocky periods, everyone else pretty much has (when healthy, of course).  That's not easy to do.

 

Shootouts may ultimately be what keeps the team from the playoffs, but it's one of the 8 best teams in the Conference.

 

Exactly.  Imagine where we'd be without them and why we had to sign them.  That's an indictment on where we found ourselves yet again going into the season.  However they are not a part of the solution for next season and moving this team forward with a serious core.  I'd have no problem watching this team sink so the dead wood can get cleaned out throughout the organization and we move forward.  There is no clear strategy and development with this team right now from A-Z.  They finally cluster draft well in an area (D) and they can't even handle that development properly at the NHL level. 

 

It is not one of the best 8 teams in the Conference.  Not even close.  It's wrong now and it will be wrong at the end of the year, for the third time in four years.


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#164 HellOnICE

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Posted 19 January 2014 - 12:17 PM

I don't know if they are a top-8 team in the conference, but look at the facts - if they had a little more luck injury wise, and could win a skills competition they'd be in a playoff spot. Historically bad at the skills competition is what is separating us. Even if they are average. But the games are close, we need great goaltending and we have it from one guy.

 

I don't see how Zid isn't a part of the solution for next year. I'd keep him for one more year. You can always trade him, and he's going to have value as long as he's putting points up. Ryane Clowe, Michael Ryder - these guys are valuable pieces. We can trade Ryder, I bet, but I don't know if I'd want to.

 

No clear Strategy, what does that mean? You go from year to year and try to put the best team on the ice. Does Chicago have a strategy? Yes...It's let's put the best team on the ice. They have a core that's ridiculous. We do not. We did, but sh!t hit the fan.

 

Development is questionable sure, but from that cluster of D we can't handle the development properly? I don't know, I see Merrill and Gelinas in the lineup. How many teams have 2 rookies playing every night?

 

Development is a tricky thing, but ultimately sometimes players pan out or they don't.


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Posted 19 January 2014 - 12:22 PM

i agree our line ups have been just a total cluster mess .. i mean right down to having boucher on the first line he shouldnt even be in this league right now.. we need ryder around unless were going to dump him and something else for some type of decent return.. and i wouldnt expect any trades as lou already said that he is happy how the team is playing LOL what a joke
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Posted 19 January 2014 - 01:38 PM

Exactly.  Imagine where we'd be without them and why we had to sign them.  That's an indictment on where we found ourselves yet again going into the season.  However they are not a part of the solution for next season and moving this team forward with a serious core.  I'd have no problem watching this team sink so the dead wood can get cleaned out throughout the organization and we move forward.  There is no clear strategy and development with this team right now from A-Z.  They finally cluster draft well in an area (D) and they can't even handle that development properly at the NHL level. 

 

It is not one of the best 8 teams in the Conference.  Not even close.  It's wrong now and it will be wrong at the end of the year, for the third time in four years.

 

What 'dead wood'?  That's just it - the 'dead wood' is Salvador, Volchenkov, and Brodeur.  There isn't any other dead wood.  It's not a bad team.

 

Schneider has to play well for this team to make the playoffs, but it's doable.


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Posted 19 January 2014 - 01:38 PM

I don't know if they are a top-8 team in the conference, but look at the facts - if they had a little more luck injury wise, and could win a skills competition they'd be in a playoff spot. Historically bad at the skills competition is what is separating us. Even if they are average. But the games are close, we need great goaltending and we have it from one guy.

 

I don't see how Zid isn't a part of the solution for next year. I'd keep him for one more year. You can always trade him, and he's going to have value as long as he's putting points up. Ryane Clowe, Michael Ryder - these guys are valuable pieces. We can trade Ryder, I bet, but I don't know if I'd want to.

 

No clear Strategy, what does that mean? You go from year to year and try to put the best team on the ice. Does Chicago have a strategy? Yes...It's let's put the best team on the ice. They have a core that's ridiculous. We do not. We did, but sh!t hit the fan.

 

Development is questionable sure, but from that cluster of D we can't handle the development properly? I don't know, I see Merrill and Gelinas in the lineup. How many teams have 2 rookies playing every night?

 

Development is a tricky thing, but ultimately sometimes players pan out or they don't.

 

Larsson should be playing, Merrill is in his first full year.    Their development is assbackwards.    Larsson is a better player than Merrill at this stage.    I've watched Merrill a few times and he's green.   You can see it's there, but they're forcing it, which is somewhat similar to Larsson's year 1.   Now look where he is


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#168 Marshall

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Posted 19 January 2014 - 01:47 PM

 

 

It is not one of the best 8 teams in the Conference.  Not even close.  It's wrong now and it will be wrong at the end of the year, for the third time in four years.

 

Rank the East then, right down to where you perceive NJ to be.


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Posted 19 January 2014 - 01:49 PM

Larsson should be playing, Merrill is in his first full year.    Their development is assbackwards.    Larsson is a better player than Merrill at this stage.    I've watched Merrill a few times and he's green.   You can see it's there, but they're forcing it, which is somewhat similar to Larsson's year 1.   Now look where he is

 

I don't really think this is demonstrably true.  They've played about evenly so far this year.  Both guys should be in the lineup - Larsson would clearly be in the lineup had he not been injured.


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Posted 19 January 2014 - 01:50 PM

Avoided this thread for ~14 hours cuz I knew it would be mayhem... didn't disappoint.

Rough loss, I missed the first half of the game but I thought we were the stronger team in what I saw. Once again the results (i.e. back of the opponent's net) weren't there. Most nights this team comes out, competes hard and is the better team on the ice, but can't break through. That's why I can't understand how people find it so easy to blame Lou or Pete.

As far as looking ahead and the playoff picture- I really don't know what to expect.... I'll just cross my fingers and see what happens and enjoy watching.
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Posted 19 January 2014 - 04:25 PM

Rank the East then, right down to where you perceive NJ to be.

 

The only teams worse than us are the Panthers, Isles, and the woeful Sabres.  I could even see the Isles jumping ahead of us if their D contributes a bit more offensively and their goaltending isn't awful.

 

Speaking Standings-Wise:

 

Even the Canes are better than we are and they also own 3 games in hand at this point in the schedule on us.  Even the teams ahead of us that aren't by much have around 2 games in hand.  We are not better than any of the teams currently ahead of us.  Not even close.


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Posted 19 January 2014 - 04:37 PM

The only teams worse than us are the Panthers, Isles, and the woeful Sabres.  I could even see the Isles jumping ahead of us if their D contributes a bit more offensively and their goaltending isn't awful.

 

Speaking Standings-Wise:

 

Even the Canes are better than we are and they also own 3 games in hand at this point in the schedule on us.  Even the teams ahead of us that aren't by much have around 2 games in hand.  We are not better than any of the teams currently ahead of us.  Not even close.

 

So in other words these standings are set in concrete? That is pretty effing rich. I'd love to be your bookie because I'd make a fortune off of you.


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Posted 19 January 2014 - 05:40 PM

So in other words these standings are set in concrete? That is pretty effing rich. I'd love to be your bookie because I'd make a fortune off of you.


Nobody said they were. What's your point? I answered your question and there's very little to refute where we stand and what I said. I realize you want to sprinkle pixie dust all around and drink some of Lou's expired KoolAid and act like we have been screwed by everybody in existence (this is another topic I can't stand with Devils fans and their conspiracy theories and excuses with players leaving) and that we will suddenly become a playoff team but right now we are nothing close to it and based on our situation if one were to bet I would absolutely take the under on a Devils playoff wager. But as a personal rule I don't bet on sports as I am a fan and don't like money getting involved. If we make the playoffs you can write it down and have the mods delete my account.
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Posted 19 January 2014 - 05:45 PM

Where is all this Merrill hate coming from? Do people not realize how good he has been as a first year pro? Its hard to compare to Paul Martin since he got to play with Niedermayer but I believe he is every bit as good a rookie.


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Posted 19 January 2014 - 06:39 PM

Where is all this Merrill hate coming from? Do people not realize how good he has been as a first year pro? Its hard to compare to Paul Martin since he got to play with Niedermayer but I believe he is every bit as good a rookie.


So are we judging him as a 1st yr player or assuming he's a quality mid pairing defenseman without any preconceived notions as to his experience. He's been pretty bad lately. There's no lens needed for that. He got me excited after the first leg of games but he has regressed heavily. Either way it's clear Deboer loves him.
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Posted 19 January 2014 - 06:44 PM

So are we judging him as a 1st yr player or assuming he's a quality mid pairing defenseman without any preconceived notions as to his experience. He's been pretty bad lately. There's no lens needed for that. He got me excited after the first leg of games but he has regressed heavily. Either way it's clear Deboer loves him.

No, biased fans will only see the mistakes he has been making. How about the dozens of times he has made amazing plays with the puck or escaped a heavy forcheck getting the puck going the other way. He is making no more mistakes than Salvador Fayne or Volchenkov and many less mistakes than Zidlicky and Gelinas. Having Brodeur in nets makes those mistakes more noticeable. Having a .904 sv rate while on the ice isn't helping.


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Posted 19 January 2014 - 06:44 PM

Nobody said they were. What's your point? I answered your question and there's very little to refute where we stand and what I said. I realize you want to sprinkle pixie dust all around and drink some of Lou's expired KoolAid and act like we have been screwed by everybody in existence (this is another topic I can't stand with Devils fans and their conspiracy theories and excuses with players leaving) and that we will suddenly become a playoff team but right now we are nothing close to it and based on our situation if one were to bet I would absolutely take the under on a Devils playoff wager. But as a personal rule I don't bet on sports as I am a fan and don't like money getting involved. If we make the playoffs you can write it down and have the mods delete my account.

 

You have not made one substantive point.  You've just mentioned the standings, as if being ranked 12th out of 15 when the other teams are ridiculously bunched up ahead of NJ is meaningful.

 

Where is all this Merrill hate coming from? Do people not realize how good he has been as a first year pro? Its hard to compare to Paul Martin since he got to play with Niedermayer but I believe he is every bit as good a rookie.

 

Yeah, playing with Gelinas regularly doesn't really help anyone, but he is impressive.  I know because I don't hear people complaining about how bad he is.


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Posted 19 January 2014 - 06:49 PM

Being a team desperate for goals, PDB continues to throw Gionta on the ice, while JJ, Lokti continue to be scratched. We need goals. We need shots.

Merrill's time up here needs to come to an end, too. Way too many mistakes. He needs more time in the AHL. Free Larsson!

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Posted 19 January 2014 - 07:00 PM

[quote name="Triumph" post="1239933" timestamp="1390175084"]

You have not made one substantive point. You've just mentioned the standings, as if being ranked 12th out of 15 when the other teams are ridiculously bunched up ahead of NJ is meaningful.


What additional point are you looking for exactly? Sorry there are no shootouts on this forum.

We stand where we stand. You keep parroting like a broken record about how we are most definitely a playoff team but offer absolutely zero points yourself as to how what we have done to date is going to translate. We all can play the well if this changes and that changes we will then make it. I don't want to hear excuses about shootouts either.

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Posted 19 January 2014 - 07:07 PM

Either he's been horribly, horribly, horribly unlucky and he's been out with randoms (thus evening out the blow for the other 5 guys), or he hasn't been that good.   The guy I saw last night wasn't ready for the time he was getting.    I understand the situation they have themselves in, but having a 3rd year guy pointlessly playing in the minors and having a first year guy play in the NHL makes no sense... in the confines of that situation.   Since you can't just tell Sal to get lost.


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