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Posted 19 January 2014 - 09:30 PM

Vision. Dumb pass Kap. Come on.
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Posted 19 January 2014 - 09:40 PM

Starting to buy into Crashers assessment on Kap. He looks like a deer in the headlights this quarter. This is it. The drive to prove or disprove his critics
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Posted 19 January 2014 - 09:50 PM

Kap drove them in.. And drove them out..
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Posted 19 January 2014 - 09:53 PM

Good game seattle. Kap shouldn't have thrown it to Sherman there. Denver has a task at hand now
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Posted 19 January 2014 - 09:56 PM

Richard Sherman lmfao.


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Posted 19 January 2014 - 09:58 PM

San Fran fan. Going with Seattle against Denver. Don't think peyton putting 400 on Sherman
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Posted 19 January 2014 - 09:59 PM

Starting to buy into Crashers assessment on Kap. He looks like a deer in the headlights this quarter. This is it. The drive to prove or disprove his critics

 

This was worth coming into the thread for this comment alone :thumbsup: ....welcome to the light manta!!!

 

I swear I thought Sherman was gonna drop THIS line during the post-game:

 

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Posted 19 January 2014 - 09:59 PM

Richard Sherman lmfao.

 

That was awesome. Sherman is as good as they come and that was an incredible play that maybe 1 other NFL player could do accidentally.

 

The post game interview was so funny. Imagine an NHLer did that?


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Posted 19 January 2014 - 10:01 PM

lol I wouldn't be shocked if they drug tested Sherman on the spot after that.  Crabtree probably went off on him during the game, I'm sure that's why he unloaded on him after.

 

For some reason I like Sherman and can't stand the Niners even though both are equally as chippy.  Then again I kinda want Seattle to win if Peyton doesn't anyway since they've never won a SB and the Niners have a million of them.


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Posted 19 January 2014 - 11:04 PM

I reap what a lot of niners fans are right now. When bowman went down that was it. Can't win without that dude. A blown call by the the ref oh Well. Wasn't kaps best game. But he can only learn from it. He did what he did in Green Bay, last minute drive except it didn't goes his way this time. Will save us money but he will learn from this. Hope Bowman gets better.

Another thing. Without kap this team scored 3 points and isn't even in the game. He kept them in but needs to read better, Richard Sherman made the POTY there. Otherwise its a san Fran win. Can't take that from kap. Sherman beasted that at the right moment any other back that ends up incomplete at the least. Kap makes big plays but also gives up big ones. He has a window higher then most, his faults are teachable. Hasn't started for a full two seasons. Can be right back at it next year!

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Posted 19 January 2014 - 11:25 PM

I hope that Seattle gets absolutely destroyed. Carroll is as big a snake as they come. He presides over one of the most corrupt college football programs outside of a Barry Switzer team, and bails when the heat gets to be too much. And somehow he's praised as this saint. fvck him. Peyton, I want you to tear this clown's team a new a$$hole. And I think he will. Petey boy, you won't have that home field advantage to rescue your lying ass this time around. Too bad Peyton is a better QB than Matt Schaub. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

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Posted 19 January 2014 - 11:35 PM

The Patriots offensive line needs a new Center-Right Guard combo as neither Wendell nor Callahan could pass block worth a damn. Gronk comes back; add a new WR to the improving Dobson and the offense can seriously improve. Its another loss in the AFC Championship, but the context is different.


..if there's any team that makes you scratch your head more than New England.. please let me know. They are an astonishing 100-28 over their last 8 seasons throughout the regular-season, since 2006. Yet.. since that “Giant Loss” that concluded the 2007 season, they've won 4 games of their last 10 in the playoffs. I can't put my finger on it exactly, but for the past 10 years, something happens to them the moment they make it to January, and they start playing fragile. You can read the lack of confidence in their body language, the moment they're down in a ball game, or facing any kind of adversity.
I respect Brady, and obviously acknowledge his HOF career. But an 8-8 record, and a 29 TD to 20 INT ratio over his last 16 playoff games? They're very pedestrian numbers for one of the all-time greats. --sorry.
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Posted 20 January 2014 - 12:04 AM

I liked Sherman before this game. I love him now. Go Seahawks!
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Posted 20 January 2014 - 07:31 AM

..if there's any team that makes you scratch your head more than New England.. please let me know. They are an astonishing 100-28 over their last 8 seasons throughout the regular-season, since 2006. Yet.. since that “Giant Loss” that concluded the 2007 season, they've won 4 games of their last 10 in the playoffs. I can't put my finger on it exactly, but for the past 10 years, something happens to them the moment they make it to January, and they start playing fragile. You can read the lack of confidence in their body language, the moment they're down in a ball game, or facing any kind of adversity.
I respect Brady, and obviously acknowledge his HOF career. But an 8-8 record, and a 29 TD to 20 INT ratio over his last 16 playoff games? They're very pedestrian numbers for one of the all-time greats. --sorry.

 

In fairness, you can't really lump this latest playoff loss in with some of the others.  Denver was the favorite playing at home.  They were simply the better team.  This 2013 Patriot team really wasn't great on either side of the ball, especially once the injuries started piling up.  And what we really learned this year is the Patriot MVP is now Rob Gronkowski...the Patriots are clearly a much different and far better team with him on the field...they have to find a way to keep this guy healthy. 

 

But your observations about them getting punched and not getting back up or seeming to have any fight in some other games are accurate, and I've pointed them out myself.  The three games that stand out the most in that regard (to me) are the two playoff losses against Baltimore, and the loss against the Jets (all at home).  Patriots were favored and simply faced three teams who seemed to want it a hell of a lot more.  They clearly came up short in some other playoff games, but I never felt like they weren't at least battling in those matchups.     

 

Brady's TD to INT is actually 29-to-19 in his last 16 playoff games (minor point, but accurate).  He's had his share of follies in the playoffs in recent years (as has BB and his D, and the "bend-but-don't-break" philosophy really has to go...that D breaks too often in the playoffs, even if they somehow find a way to get by in the regular season), but Brady has still gotten to 2 more Super Bowls after winning three, and left the field with his team leading.  His Ds didn't make the stops when needed.  8-8 isn't awesome, but 18-8 is, and for all of the recent playoff disappointments, in 11 postseasons, the Pats have won at least one playoff game 9 times.  Compare that to Peyton's EIGHT one-and-dones.  Montana had four of them, to go with his 16-7 record.  He had three straight from 1985-87, in which he not only didn't throw for a single TD, but also got picked off four times, and put up lousy numbers.  Not knocking Montana, more pointing out that even the greats aren't perfect in these playoff games, and are probably graded on too high a curve once they reach a certain status.   

 

Fact is, a lot of teams would kill for an 8-8 playoff record (or just to play in 16 playoff games in a similar time period), five AFC Championship games, and two Super Bowls since 2005...not to mention making the playoffs almost every year.  I'm not going to say there haven't been some serious disappointments along the way, and there's blame to go around for them, and Brady and BB definitely aren't blame-proof. 

 

They have 2-3 more years to get to another Super Bowl...the chapters have been darker lately, but the book still hasn't been written entirely.  I think they can still put together another run. 


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Posted 20 January 2014 - 07:43 AM

Denver was simply healthier than New England and that translated into being a better team.

 

BB got blood from a stone this season with the injuries and transition.  Defense gets all of their injured pieces back and its back to the Top-10 status that carried the Pats through the first 6 games.  The Patriots offensive line needs a new Center-Right Guard combo as neither Wendell nor Callahan could pass block worth a damn (nor run block against heavy DL's).  Gronk comes back; add a new WR to the improving Dobson and the offense can seriously improve.  Its another loss in the AFC Champion but the context is different.

 

Pats schedule next season: Division, @Indy, @Min, @GB, @SD, @KC,  Den, Chi, Det, Oak, Cin,

 

Agree, context is different, this one shouldn't be seen as a major failure by NE (and there ARE losses they've had that deserve that label).  I pointed out in the post above that there's been some serious fvckups in recent years, but I can't put this loss on that list.  The only way the Pats were going to win this one was to execute flawlessly (and once Brady didn't hit Edelman on that deep ball, I had the feeling they were going be screwed), and hope for mistakes by Denver.  Neither happened. 

 

I think NE probably finds its way back to the AFC Championship game AGAIN next season, but what they do when they get there is completely up in the air.  There's some things that need changing.  Like I've said, they've got to take a good look at defenses like Seattle, San Francisco and select others, and realize that it is possible to have a solid defense without giving up massive chunks of yards to seemingly everyone, and to not have to rely on turnovers, tightening up in the red zone, or hoping that the other team makes key mistakes. 

 

I don't expect Amendola is going anywhere, but he is not the second coming of Wes Welker, and he shouldn't be seen as his direct replacement...he's simply not nearly as good. 

 

I'm hoping the Pats are very aggressive this offseason...they should really be in full-on go-for-it mode this coming season and next.  The Brady era is going to end soon.


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Posted 20 January 2014 - 08:51 AM

In fairness, you can't really lump this latest playoff loss in with some of the others.  Denver was the favorite playing at home.  They were simply the better team.  This 2013 Patriot team really wasn't great on either side of the ball, especially once the injuries started piling up.  And what we really learned this year is the Patriot MVP is now Rob Gronkowski...the Patriots are clearly a much different and far better team with him on the field...they have to find a way to keep this guy healthy. 

But your observations about them getting punched and not getting back up or seeming to have any fight in some other games are accurate, and I've pointed them out myself.  The three games that stand out the most in that regard (to me) are the two playoff losses against Baltimore, and the loss against the Jets (all at home).  Patriots were favored and simply faced three teams who seemed to want it a hell of a lot more.  They clearly came up short in some other playoff games, but I never felt like they weren't at least battling in those matchups.     

They have 2-3 more years to get to another Super Bowl...the chapters have been darker lately, but the book still hasn't been written entirely.  I think they can still put together another run. 

 

Your points on the Pats playoff machups over the years are fair. I agree that Gronk is NE's MVP, and as much as I dislike Belichick, he had one of his better seasons as a head coach.

I'd go as far as to say the window for the Patriots is 5 years! With Brady turning 37, you'd have to figure he'll play into his 40's. But anything past 43, I really can't take seriously.

 

5 more years for Jets fans.. then BB & TB ride off into the sunset. :yea:


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Posted 20 January 2014 - 09:00 AM

Your points on the Pats playoff machups over the years are fair. I agree that Gronk is NE's MVP, and as much as I dislike Belichick, he had one of his better seasons as a head coach.

I'd go as far as to say the window for the Patriots is 5 years! With Brady turning 37, you'd have to figure he'll play into his 40's. But anything past 43, I really can't take seriously.

 

5 more years for Jets fans.. then BB & TB ride off into the sunset. :yea:

 

I'm going conservative on the window, just because you just never know with older players.  You don't see 40-year-old QBs leading their teams to Super Bowls.  QBs are better protected now, meaning that it wouldn't be a surprise to see a 40-year-old who doesn't have too much wear-and-tear pull it off in the future.  I'm just not planning on it being Brady.  That's why I think it's even more crucial for BB to build a truly dominant defense (not one that has some success in spite of itself) as quickly as possible.  Brady has been able to overcome a lot of shaky Ds in recent seasons (mostly in the regular season), but I don't know how much longer that can go on.  The missed receivers downfield in the AFC Championship game should raise a red flag.


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Posted 20 January 2014 - 09:51 AM

  Like I've said, they've got to take a good look at defenses like Seattle, San Francisco and select others, and realize that it is possible to have a solid defense without giving up massive chunks of yards to seemingly everyone, and to not have to rely on turnovers, tightening up in the red zone, or hoping that the other team makes key mistakes. 

 

 

You need the horses to have defenses like that, and corners like Richard Sherman don't grow on trees.  (I would actually venture a guess that defensive backs probably have the biggest bust rate outside of QBs.)

 

I also think that NE's defensive woes have a lot to do with the up-tempo offense.  Not a coincidence that Green Bay and Peyton Manning teams have traditionally had fairly shaky defenses.

 

I guess my philosophy is to keep doubling down on your team's strengths.  So if I were NE, I would look to draft offensive players, especially at TE and receiver.  The Pats would need to get pretty lucky to wind up with defensive players like San Fran and Seattle has when they're constantly drafting at number 28 or worse.  (San Fran's key defensive players were high draft picks).


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Posted 20 January 2014 - 10:19 AM

You need the horses to have defenses like that, and corners like Richard Sherman don't grow on trees.  (I would actually venture a guess that defensive backs probably have the biggest bust rate outside of QBs.)

 

I also think that NE's defensive woes have a lot to do with the up-tempo offense.  Not a coincidence that Green Bay and Peyton Manning teams have traditionally had fairly shaky defenses.

 

I guess my philosophy is to keep doubling down on your team's strengths.  So if I were NE, I would look to draft offensive players, especially at TE and receiver.  The Pats would need to get pretty lucky to wind up with defensive players like San Fran and Seattle has when they're constantly drafting at number 28 or worse.  (San Fran's key defensive players were high draft picks).

 

Problem with that is, even if the Pats DO do that and go all-in on the O, their high-scoring offenses have shown a penchant for getting shutdown come playoff time (they've been held to 17 points or less in five out of their last 10 playoff games...all losses).  That's why I think they really have to try to address as much as possible on both units...yes, they'll have guys coming back on D next season, but even WITH those guys, the defense has been a problem for years now...they need to start holding better opponents' point totals down in playoff games...sometimes you have to find a way to make 17-20 points stand up.  They did show signs of finally improving before everyone starting getting hurt, so it may just be an issue of getting guys healthy again.  But I think they're crazy if they count on Talib making it though the year. 


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It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

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Posted 20 January 2014 - 10:28 AM

Problem with that is, even if the Pats DO do that and go all-in on the O, their high-scoring offenses have shown a penchant for getting shutdown come playoff time (they've been held to 17 points or less in five out of their last 10 playoff games...all losses).  That's why I think they really have to try to address as much as possible on both units...yes, they'll have guys coming back on D next season, but even WITH those guys, the defense has been a problem for years now...they need to start holding better opponents' point totals down in playoff games...sometimes you have to find a way to make 17-20 points stand up.  They did show signs of finally improving before everyone starting getting hurt, so it may just be an issue of getting guys healthy again.  But I think they're crazy if they count on Talib making it though the year. 

 

As much as people talk about the goal is to win the Super Bowl, when you're building a team, the idea should be to build a team that wins as many games as possible.  Success in a single elimination playoff format comes down to a ton of luck, especially when you get rid of the chaff that seems to be in the playoffs every year like the Bengals. 


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