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#61 Colorado Rockies 1976

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Posted 20 January 2014 - 02:16 PM

As much as people talk about the goal is to win the Super Bowl, when you're building a team, the idea should be to build a team that wins as many games as possible.  Success in a single elimination playoff format comes down to a ton of luck, especially when you get rid of the chaff that seems to be in the playoffs every year like the Bengals. 

 

There's some truth to this, but the playoff script has been very familiar as of late.  Offense doesn't come close to putting up the same lofty point totals that it does in the regular season (not consistently, anyway).  D doesn't step up, and considering how meh the Patriot D has been, I guess that shouldn't come as any surprise.  When you're facing some low-win teams in the regular season, and are the better team in well over half your games, you're going to impress, and if you've got a QB like Brady who can usually make any group of receivers workable, the wins are going to come, and when you have your share of 30+ points-for games (with 40+s and even 50+s sprinkled in), the D giving up 20-35 in a lot of games gets glossed over. 

 

But something has to give.  BB himself has admitted to getting outcoached in these losses...even admitted it again yesterday.  The defensive gameplan, which seems to be "how do we give up more yards than almost everyone else but somehow keep the points-against totals middle-of-the-pack?", just doesn't work anymore. 

 

I agree, finding stoppers on D is not easy to do, especially in the secondary.  Pats have tried to address it, but as a guy who looked like he was going to be good corner, McCourty is now a pretty good safety who almost always gets burned on the rare occasions he has to go man-to-man.  But I think the Pats have tried the "Outscore everyone" approach long enough.  I could see them putting up 500+ next season, allowing about 350, winning 12-13 games, nabbing a bye week, then getting knocked off either in the divisional game or the AFC Championship again, by something like a 28-14 or 33-17 final, and people saying, "Did this really happen again?"  I agree, luck is often a factor, getting hot is sometimes a factor (though the Pats have a history of looking unbeatable in the second halves of seasons), but sometimes, changes in philosophies don't hurt.  I would love to see a new defensive coordinator working with BB, for that reason...someone with his own ideas who isn't a puppet. 


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Posted 20 January 2014 - 03:00 PM

But I think the Pats have tried the "Outscore everyone" approach long enough.

 

That approach could very well prove to have worked for Denver. 

 

In any event, I'm not saying there's no room for any team to improve, but really, so long as Brady is around, and especially assuming that Gronk can play or they draft someone like him, the Pats are about as structurally sound as you can get, irrespective of the playoff results.   No matter who they're playing, or where they're playing, they're always going to be at least a pretty good bet to win.  I don't see that really changing anytime soon.  And in fact, if they upgrade their receiving corps a bit, they'll be even stronger.

 

By contrast you look at the last two Super Bowl champions, who both have the kind of team where the bottom can drop out at any time.  We saw it with the Giants, and I would not be shocked if the Ravens are drafting in the top ten in 2015.  There are maybe five teams that so long as the QB is there, they're going to win a lot of games, including in the playoffs -- Niners, Broncos, Pats, Green Bay and maybe the Saints.  If you're in that group, you don't really need to change things fundamentally.

 

I wouldn't even put Seattle in that group.  They're a team that can prove to be very beatable when they're on the road.  (If they had to play NE with Gronkowski in Foxboro, I think Seattle would have lost by at least two touchdowns).  Next year their schedule probably won't be as easy.  Even if Russell Wilson is healthy, it's a team that could conceivably not make the playoff in any given year.  These days, teams that thrive primarily on their defense are very boom or bust.  You saw it with the Ravens when they had some dreadful years even though on average they had the best defensive unit of the decade.  You also saw it with the Steelers and the Jets.  Meanwhile, the teams that can put up a lot of points are always in the playoffs. 

 

Perhaps this is the best way to convey the point.  If my very average Dolphins had a choice of playing the Pats (with Gronkowski or future equivalent) or the Seahawks in a meaningful game for both teams in Miami, I'm choosing the Seahawks every time. 


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Posted 20 January 2014 - 08:53 PM

Hopefully San Fran gets another rb. Gore looks functionally done really. Couldn't break away at all. The center didn't help either but Gore hasn't been looking the same. He's getting old as well. Talk about kap all people want. He outplayed Wilson and was the only dude that showed up on offense. No one was open all game for him either. Outside of Wilson's 4 and 7 and that throe to Baldwin he looked lost all night. These two qbs have a high ceiling though. I'll praise kap for taking the game on his shoulders and doing everything cause no one else was. Work on his decisions a bit though. They'll all learn. Get a good explosive back at least behind Gore to get some reps.

Hopefully Peyton can smash that secondary but its historically good. Hopefully, so Peyton can retire with another ring!
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Posted 20 January 2014 - 09:22 PM

Wow I love Sherman even more than I already did cause he punked skip. I felt like I was watching some classic wwf last night ,So entertaining
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Posted 21 January 2014 - 08:00 AM

That approach could very well prove to have worked for Denver. 

 

In any event, I'm not saying there's no room for any team to improve, but really, so long as Brady is around, and especially assuming that Gronk can play or they draft someone like him, the Pats are about as structurally sound as you can get, irrespective of the playoff results.   No matter who they're playing, or where they're playing, they're always going to be at least a pretty good bet to win.  I don't see that really changing anytime soon.  And in fact, if they upgrade their receiving corps a bit, they'll be even stronger.

 

By contrast you look at the last two Super Bowl champions, who both have the kind of team where the bottom can drop out at any time.  We saw it with the Giants, and I would not be shocked if the Ravens are drafting in the top ten in 2015.  There are maybe five teams that so long as the QB is there, they're going to win a lot of games, including in the playoffs -- Niners, Broncos, Pats, Green Bay and maybe the Saints.  If you're in that group, you don't really need to change things fundamentally.

 

I wouldn't even put Seattle in that group.  They're a team that can prove to be very beatable when they're on the road.  (If they had to play NE with Gronkowski in Foxboro, I think Seattle would have lost by at least two touchdowns).  Next year their schedule probably won't be as easy.  Even if Russell Wilson is healthy, it's a team that could conceivably not make the playoff in any given year.  These days, teams that thrive primarily on their defense are very boom or bust.  You saw it with the Ravens when they had some dreadful years even though on average they had the best defensive unit of the decade.  You also saw it with the Steelers and the Jets.  Meanwhile, the teams that can put up a lot of points are always in the playoffs. 

 

Perhaps this is the best way to convey the point.  If my very average Dolphins had a choice of playing the Pats (with Gronkowski or future equivalent) or the Seahawks in a meaningful game for both teams in Miami, I'm choosing the Seahawks every time. 

 

What's fair to say is that the NFL playoffs have become much more of a crapshoot than they used to be.  In the last 10 Super Bowls (not including this one), three teams have won it twice (Giants, Steelers, and Patriots), four have won it once (Colts, Saints, Packers, and Ravens).  Pats went 4 times (2-2), Steelers 3 times (2-1), Giants twice (2-0), and the Colts twice (1-1).  All of the other teams involved (9 of them) went just once, and many of those didn't really come close to going back.  It really is hard to stay in the hunt for so many years, no matter what you do, or how you choose to build your team...even if you DO have an all-time QB (or at the very least, a Top-5 type).   


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Posted 28 January 2014 - 10:08 AM

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