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#61 Sneax

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 08:49 PM

Yes the same PDB that took a lottery team to the scf in his first year........................

I agree schneider should get the majority of time but the hate for marty on this forum is retarded, he hasnt been nearly as bad as this website makes him out to be. The same people saying marty should retire as soon as possible are probably the same dopes that decided to start a "corys better chant" on tuesday. You have the greatest goalie of all time and you disrespect him in his own building with a chant that was created for him. I was embarassed when I heard that the other day. Ive heard some dumb stuff come out of devs fans mouths at games but that took the cake. Just goes to show the immaturity of our fan base, and devils fans wonder why they get 0 respect.

And you think its an easy situation to just sit martin brodeur?

Fayne is a mediocre 3rd pairing defenseman, stop acting like hes brian rafalski. Theres a reason pdb has kept his job for this long.

 

You seem to think that just because PDB took us to the SCF that hes good with personnel? He has a good system, one that worked exceptionally well when no one knew much about it. Marty has cost this team 6-8 points, off the top of my head. That is the difference between play offs and not right now.

 

And yes at his age and the way corey has played outside of like 2 games this season, it is an easy decision to play him over Marty.

 

Peter harrold has no business playing night in and night out, and Fayne was a top 4 guy for us in your precious 2012-2013 season where the GOD like PDB took us from rags to riches. And fayne has also played extremely well this year once he has gotten into a rhythm, which can be hard when your always a scratch for scrubs like peter harrold.

 

 

The reason PDB has kept his job is he motivates his players to play and has a pretty good system. But keep believing that he is without his flaws.


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 08:52 PM

Marty was winning, Cory wasn't. Now that it's flipped guess what- Cory is getting the starts. Moose was our only hope during that stretch. Kincaid was not ready to handle legit starts, one save against a weak stamkos shot doesn't change that.

Pete is not terrible at a managing players- he wants to put the best team on the ice, and sometimes that doesn't equate to the most skilled or youngest or prettiest team.

Gionta is used as a 4th line player, he has the lowest average 5v5 toi of any regular forward this season. I don't know what games you are watching that you see otherwise.

 

 

Our only hope? Kinkaid in the brief amount he played was at least stopping pucks, puck were flying through moose. He was clearly not the best bet, he was struggling mightly and pete went back to him every night in spots marty in his prime wouldn't be playing. You don't even make a valid argument, you just blindly believe that PDB was right.

 

I'm watching the games where gionta is out there in overtime.

 

Pete is horrible at managing players, just because he wants to put the best team on the ice doesn't mean he does.


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 08:57 PM

Our only hope? Kinkaid in the brief amount he played was at least stopping pucks, puck were flying through moose. He was clearly not the best bet, he was struggling mightly and pete went back to him every night in spots marty in his prime wouldn't be playing. You don't even make a valid argument, you just blindly believe that PDB was right.
 
I'm watching the games where gionta is out there in overtime.
 
Pete is horrible at managing players, just because he wants to put the best team on the ice doesn't mean he does.

lol it seems you only deal in absolutes- I say Salvador makes a nice play and you interpret it to mean Salvador is amazing. Bartholomew and I argue that Pete isn't horrible at player management like you say he is, and you interpret that as us thinking he is a god.

You're perception bias of other posts is almost as bad as your perception bias of players like gionta and Salvador. But we can agree to disagree, just try not to twist words.
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Posted 24 January 2014 - 09:01 PM

lol it seems you only deal in absolutes- I say Salvador makes a nice play and you interpret it to mean Salvador is amazing. Bartholomew and I argue that Pete isn't horrible at player management like you say he is, and you interpret that as us thinking he is a god.

You're perception bias of other posts is almost as bad as your perception bias of players like gionta and Salvador. But we can agree to disagree, just try not to twist words.

 

No, you continuously point out those type of plays (that Salvador makes)as a means to say that he doesn't deserve the bad rap that everyone gives him (Only happens once every few games for obvious reasons, mainly Salvador doenst do much right). It's not like you made a one off statement like great play by Salvador there, it was rooted in your constant agenda about how he isn't that bad.

 

 

Also my emphasis on words like , amazing are to allude to sarcasm. I don't believe you think Salvador is amazing, I do however, think you think he's good when he's barley serviceable.


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 09:12 PM

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 09:17 PM

No, you continuously point out those type of plays (that Salvador makes)as a means to say that he doesn't deserve the bad rap that everyone gives him (Only happens once every few games for obvious reasons, mainly Salvador doenst do much right). It's not like you made a one off statement like great play by Salvador there, it was rooted in your constant agenda about how he isn't that bad.


Also my emphasis on words like , amazing are to allude to sarcasm. I don't believe you think Salvador is amazing, I do however, think you think he's good when he's barley serviceable.

ok I just disagree, I don't go into a game looking for plays to justify Salvador's play (I honestly can't recall pointing anything out in a gdt before), but the way many talk on here makes it seem like they look out for every mistake, similar to how you point out that deboer used gionta twice in overtime this season and therefore uses gionta as more than a 4th liner. The truth is that's not the case, but because you look for it and it happens a handful of times you believe it to be true.

I think Salvador is a below average nhl defenseman and at best a third paring guy. I don't know where the info can be found but I think he's been used as just that since coming back and us using 6d. I do not think he is as bad as most on here make him out to be.

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 09:33 PM

Thanks for the 2 points Corey!


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 09:33 PM

Phew....Caps really gained their legs from the middle 2nd period on. Glad they could hang on


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 09:35 PM

Didn't like how they let up for a good portion of the game, but a win is a win.

Going into Sunday on a win streak, perfect.

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 09:35 PM

Just happy they got the 2 pts. Just keep it going boys. Got kinda scary going into the third but the team still pulled through. I was laughing when clowe missed the empty netter
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Posted 24 January 2014 - 09:37 PM

Great job by Cory.  Numbers from his last seven games (.960 save%, 1.11 GAA) are only going to improve after tonight. 

 

God I wish Zajac could finish his scoring chances.


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 09:49 PM

Great job by Cory.  Numbers from his last seven games (.960 save%, 1.11 GAA) are only going to improve after tonight. 

 

God I wish Zajac could finish his scoring chances.

 

you know your goalie is good when the only thing he's letting in is deflections :D, stats like those paint the picture as well though!


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 09:51 PM

Cory better start Sunday...now is not the time for sentimentality, we need to keep winning.

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 09:54 PM

Cory better start Sunday...now is not the time for sentimentality, we need to keep winning.


We all know brodeurs starting.. Schneider gets the next start vs the blues
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Posted 24 January 2014 - 09:57 PM

You seem to think that just because PDB took us to the SCF that hes good with personnel? He has a good system, one that worked exceptionally well when no one knew much about it. Marty has cost this team 6-8 points, off the top of my head. That is the difference between play offs and not right now.

And yes at his age and the way corey has played outside of like 2 games this season, it is an easy decision to play him over Marty.

Peter harrold has no business playing night in and night out, and Fayne was a top 4 guy for us in your precious 2012-2013 season where the GOD like PDB took us from rags to riches. And fayne has also played extremely well this year once he has gotten into a rhythm, which can be hard when your always a scratch for scrubs like peter harrold.


The reason PDB has kept his job is he motivates his players to play and has a pretty good system. But keep believing that he is without his flaws.


God this is bad. Okay so since you have those 6-8 points on the top of your head, name every single point right now. And how is it 6 to 8? If your so positive about those points wouldnt it be a definite amount, not an approximation? Lol are you sure about those 5 minutes, ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THOSE 5 MINUTES.

And by all means necessary ignore the games marty has won for us by standing on his head. You know any knowledgeable fan would APPRECIATE being able to see this legendary player every single game he has left, yet you cant seem to get him out of here quick enough. What an immature, unappreciative view you have on THE most important player in this teams history. Are you one of those people who became a fan when we got kovy or when we went to the scf? Not being a smartass im serious, because you have the mindset of one of those fans.

Again if you think if its easy to just sit martin brodeur then youre naive and clueless dude. Going into the season you should have known this is what it was going to be.

Mark fayne is MEDIOCRE. He was mediocre in 2012, hes the same now. He hasnt made the next step to a shutdown guy, he still makes dumb reads, dumb passes, but he makes up for it with very good plays sometimes. Thats an average defenseman. Harrold does the same thing but makes a few more mistakes defensively but brings much much more offensively.

I never said pdb was godlike, Im pointing out that him playing brodeur and gionta doesnt make him a worse coach. Hes done a great job of coaching this team since he toom over 3 years ago.
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Posted 24 January 2014 - 09:57 PM

Great game by Schneider and decent game from the forwards.  Still, the defense has a couple issues - they should not be giving up this many shots to an Ovechkinless Capitals team even with the lead for most of the game.  And Salvador-Volchenkov should never close out a game - that's utter insanity.

 

Whitney did absolutely nothing right tonight, I wouldn't be shocked if he went right back down, and if he plays like this again on Sunday I'll be shocked if he is still here.


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 10:32 PM

God this is bad. Okay so since you have those 6-8 points on the top of your head, name every single point right now. And how is it 6 to 8? If your so positive about those points wouldnt it be a definite amount, not an approximation? Lol are you sure about those 5 minutes, ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THOSE 5 MINUTES.

And by all means necessary ignore the games marty has won for us by standing on his head. You know any knowledgeable fan would APPRECIATE being able to see this legendary player every single game he has left, yet you cant seem to get him out of here quick enough. What an immature, unappreciative view you have on THE most important player in this teams history. Are you one of those people who became a fan when we got kovy or when we went to the scf? Not being a smartass im serious, because you have the mindset of one of those fans.

Again if you think if its easy to just sit martin brodeur then youre naive and clueless dude. Going into the season you should have known this is what it was going to be.

Mark fayne is MEDIOCRE. He was mediocre in 2012, hes the same now. He hasnt made the next step to a shutdown guy, he still makes dumb reads, dumb passes, but he makes up for it with very good plays sometimes. Thats an average defenseman. Harrold does the same thing but makes a few more mistakes defensively but brings much much more offensively.

I never said pdb was godlike, Im pointing out that him playing brodeur and gionta doesnt make him a worse coach. Hes done a great job of coaching this team since he toom over 3 years ago

 

I think your clueless if you think that sitting broduer for corey is even close to a hard decision. Look at their play. Sure their is legacy attached to it, but this should have been corey job a long time ago. The amount of points im throwing out are based on starts where he has played us out of a competitive game and in some cases played us out of a win, games like that blue jackets game a few weeks ago. Its variable, he has cost us some points. Using approximations is what im doing because I don't give a sh!t enough to wade through the games played this year to give you a specific number. But I watch every game, something I'm sure you don't if you believe corey and marty are remotely equal in their goal tending this year.  

 

You said it yourself, he's the most important person in our teams HISTORY. The thing about legends is, they are normally a past tense thing, no one wants to see a living legend outstay his welcome and put a sour taste in fans mouths, which is what would have happened if this sh!t with him playing over corey continued. I have no problem with him being the back up, I have a problem with him playing as the starter and potentially costing us a season (he is not consistent enough to be a starter that's the reality). You can live in the past, but I'm watching this years team not the cup winning teams of past. It's not like I'm calling marty a piece of sh!t, he's just not that good of a goalie anymore, and in the meantime we have a top goalie in his prime who did a lot of pine riding to start the season.

 

And as for that stupid baseless kovy remark? Let's assume I was a fan starting at the SCF and I hoped on the band wagon, I'm still here watching a pretty mediocre team religiously. Makes a lot of sense.

 

I want what's best for the team, I don't want to watch us consistently fielding a team that isn't giving us the best chance to win. Which with marty in net over corey, it most certainly isn't. I don't care what notions you have about the team and what we owe marty, you won't see me complaining about his contract or sh!t like drafting his son like some people do. Because he has earned that and more for what he's done here, but there should be no sacrifice in the product on the ice for him.

 

next, Mark Fayne is mediocre so he should sit for peter harrold? You are the clueless one my friend. Honestly don't say a word to be about being clueless when you think guys like Harrold should play over Fayne. Also fayne played large role on our defense that SCF year, I'm sorry you live in a revisionist history world, the greene-fayne pairing was far and away our best pairing and it wasn't just because of andy greene. That being said I believe fayne has regressed a bit given his treatment, and even if his ceiling his a 3rd pairing guy, he is far and away better than peter Harold.


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 10:59 PM

Victory!

 

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 11:06 PM

Yes the same PDB that took a lottery team to the scf in his first year........................

 

They were a 'lottery team' without Parise, and with one of the handful of worst coaches in NHL history.  Pete didn't do some great restoration job, the talent was there.  They even went 28-10-3 in the second half of '10-11 with the same group minus Parise and with JL instead of Pete.


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Posted 25 January 2014 - 12:24 AM

tonight made me realize again just how badly i hate sitting with the diablos.. sat in 122 my buddy has a pair of season and my god..those people up there just yell out the dumbest stuff i swear.. i can even tell you how many times i heard the word "omaha" like i was at a football game
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