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#61 Neb00rs

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Posted 27 January 2014 - 07:46 AM

He probably thinks that and he should - great athletes are always optimistic about their abilities, it's part of why they become greats. Doesn't mean that Brodeur's isnt one of the worst goalies in the league at this point.

 

It was a joke. But thanks. I support Marty.


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Posted 27 January 2014 - 07:51 AM

I think it's so funny how people think this is the moment where Marty's career ends. Sure, the game was on a national stage. It would have been great to win, but it's just another regular season loss. A bad one, but just a loss.

I seriously doubt the team is viewing the game the same way some fans are. I am confident in their eyes, there was no turning of a corner or changing of the guard.

That being said, as a fan, you have to kind of hope against hope that he hangs up his skates at the end of the season.

 

The end of his career, no.  He still has games left to this season, and he will get some starts.  Cory can't start all remaining 29 games. 

 

The end of him being the go-to guy, yes.  It has to be.  There's no excuses anymore.  It was one thing when Hedberg was clearly finished last season, and there simply wasn't a better option.  Now there is, and it's not even close.  Cory is putting up numbers that rank with the NHL's best this season. 

 

To me, it's really simple, what happens after this season.  Lou and Marty are friends, and hopefully, both of them can see that Marty does not have it anymore, and Marty exits the game as gracefully as he can, for a guy who looks like he held on too long (even if he had some nice moments along the way in the last two seasons).  If Marty thinks he can still play, Lou's got to tell him no.  What's sad is I don't think Marty finds someone else to sign him this time, if he insists on going that route.  Last time he signed a contract, he came off a 50-game stretch of .920 save% play.  Last season, he was at .901, and this season he'll be about the same.  His save% since 11/27 is .881, so it's not like he's going to end the season on a flourish.  The other guy is doing just fine with the same players in front of him, so it's not like anyone can rightly say "Well, he's playing on a terrible team."  And even if PDB somehow thinks that save%s don't matter, there is no disputing the fact that .900ish season save%s rank very low in today's NHL.  He'll be 42 years old by the start of next season.  Why would anyone sign him?  I think everyone can see what we are.  What sucks about this is I can see Marty having to be forced to retire not because he wanted to, but because no one was interested, which is pretty embarrassing for a guy of his stature.  So yeah, I hope he leaves on his own, instead of people having to make the decision for him.     


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Posted 27 January 2014 - 08:00 AM

To be quite honest, I didn't like the outside game.  I didn't like how it looked on TV, I didn't like the quality of play that it produced due to sh!t ice.  And the fact that 20 degree weather is a lot harder on a 41 year old goalie that doesn't have the luxury of a heated bench as the players do.  He looked slow and I think the cold played a large part of that.  The cold affects a 41 year old more than a 30 year old. 

 

Regardless, he played poor.  But the defense was awful as well.  Too many odd man rushes. 

 

But with how sloppy the play was with the quality of the ice and lighting, I am probably the only one but I would be glad to never get another outside game.


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Posted 27 January 2014 - 08:13 AM

I have always said that the ego and attitude that brought Marty all his success for 90% of his career would lead to a painful end on the last 10%.Seems to be the case.

 

 

 

However I am not going to rip on the guy and throw him under the bus.

 

 

 

If you think last night was painful for us as fans imagine how he feels.

 

He has dedicated his life to the sport of hockey and the New Jersey Devils, and like many sportsmen who have been at the top for a long time, he is probably dreading the void that wil be left afterwards.

 

 

 

I lay more of the blame at Lou and Pete’s feet right now , because they need to be helping him come to terms with the fact that all things in sport come to an end no matter how good you once were. Last night was hopefully the wakeup that everyone involved with the team needed that we should be thanking Marty for what he has done, and moving him graciously towards retirement.

 

 

 

I dread to think what Jagr will be like at the end, I can easily see the guy playing till he is 55 somewhere in the Czech republic.


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Posted 27 January 2014 - 08:17 AM

Brodeur certainly had a game to forget but I felt like the team embarrassed themselves as a whole. I can't put this all on Brodeur. Careless turnovers and bad positioning and they left Brodeur out to dry. I lost count of how many odd man rushes the Rangers had and they seemed to convert on almost every single one. My problem today is definitely with the team in the last 40 minutes and not Brodeur. Today was really a perfect storm of everything that could go wrong, going wrong.

Hit it right on the head, 2 3 on 1s & a 2 on 1, which all seemed to go inthe net.

 

the "D" was awful, I've made it a point to watch Gelinas closely, wow is he poor defensively, Merril & Larsen need back in the line up, no way Gelinas should play over either of them...


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Posted 27 January 2014 - 08:45 AM

Hit it right on the head, 2 3 on 1s & a 2 on 1, which all seemed to go inthe net.

the "D" was awful, I've made it a point to watch Gelinas closely, wow is he poor defensively, Merril & Larsen need back in the line up, no way Gelinas should play over either of them...

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Posted 27 January 2014 - 09:01 AM

Hit it right on the head, 2 3 on 1s & a 2 on 1, which all seemed to go inthe net.

 

the "D" was awful, I've made it a point to watch Gelinas closely, wow is he poor defensively, Merril & Larsen need back in the line up, no way Gelinas should play over either of them...

yup, they need to pair larsson and merril behind greene and fayne now,  those should set us up for years, divide the 3rd pairing scraps up between whom ever they like, keep Atrains contract as a PK specialist if they cant eat it

 

news flash for anyone who thinks marty is getting a number one gig anywhere including the devils, "aint happening"  and he's probably a bad choice for a back up


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Posted 27 January 2014 - 09:15 AM

'7' has been spewing sh!t about Brodeur for 6+ years that I can remember but the reality is Brodeur has been a below average goalie for 3.5 of the last 4 seasons.

 

If I can defend 7 for one moment.. the anger\backlash from fans is NOT because of the past or present.. it's due to the future! The uncertainty about whether or not this season's his last.. and fans are getting fed-up being pigeon held by a 42 year-old, who's only point in continuing to play seems to be an effort to further inflate his stats, to the point where (he feels) they're unattainable. It's bad enough to put DeBoer, Schneider, and the fans through this goaltending fiasco for ONE season. But to do it again next year?? --that's selfish. You want to continue your career?? --fine! But do it on somebody else's team.. not mine! (yeah, I just said that) We're fighting for a fvcking playoff spot god damn it.. and 100 years of conventional hockey says you; "stay with the hot goalie". You ride the guy who's white-hot.. and I had to see a goalie, who's been playing amazing with a Sv% near .930, ride the pine yesterday because this organization needed to feed the ego of ONE PERSON. A cold goalie who hadn't played in a week, playing a game in an environment less suitable for a player in his 40's, vs a player in his 20's. 

The Devils as an organization used to be untouchable.. not anymore. They preached team, they preached selflessness. They preached; "no ONE PLAYER is bigger than the franchise" for 30 years! --and all that went south yesterday, in an effort to turn a professional hockey team, into the Harlem Globetrotters.

 

*EDIT: What happens if Marty doesn't hit 700 even after next season? Does he come back again for 2016?? Is that how he'd want to be remembered.. as some compiler?? Because 700 wins off a career of 1991 - 2016, would be the definition of a compiler folks. --and if that's the endgame in Brodeur's head.. then have fun a blast ruining your career like Brett Favre!

 

Marty was not good, no doubts about that but our defense and pathetic captain were just as much to blame

 

This is not just about yesterday bro..

 

Brodeur:  28 GP,  2.52 GAA, .899 Sv% (ranked 40th in the NHL) --41 years old.

Schneider: 26 GP, 1.86 GAA, .927 Sv% (ranked 5th in the NHL) --27 years old.

 

..if it looks like I'm trying to make this seem overall simplistic, it's because it really is! Marty has been a .500 goalie (at best) since 2010. Over his last 250 games, he's manufactured 125 wins, since 2009. He can play the remaining back-to-backs, but THAT'S IT! I want to see this team ride Cory the rest of the way.


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Posted 27 January 2014 - 09:39 AM

The thing that pissed me off the most about Marty was that it seemed that he and DeBoer had to make a joint decision to "let" Schneider play the third period. They act like they had to pull Whitey Ford off the mount in the 8th inning of a no hitter. I am sick of the Brodeur nostalgia. It is actually costing the team points at this juncture. After the fourth goal PDB should have said you know what Marty you don't have it today. Schneids get in there. Marty has more starts this season compared to Schneider and that better change. Corey down the stretch.


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Posted 27 January 2014 - 09:40 AM

He never has, you know that already though. I believe it was you who flipped out back in 2012 playoffs after one of the Panthers games where he played a puck to Volch terribly wrong and said "I played it exactly where I wanted to"

 

Not once in his career has he ever blamed himself or took responsibility in an interview like that, it's my biggest Brodeurian pet peeve.

 

i did flip out. and the other guy wasn't pleased either.


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Posted 27 January 2014 - 09:40 AM

I think it's a vicious cycle for Marty from here on out..

 

He needs lots of consecutive starts to get on a roll and find his game, but he won't get them anymore.  And he shouldn't, with the way Cory's played.

 

So..it's all downhill from here, imo.


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Posted 27 January 2014 - 09:56 AM

Which All-time record does Brodeur reach first....700 wins, or 400 losses  ??

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Current record: 682-391


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Posted 27 January 2014 - 10:09 AM

He's not going to hit 700 wins this year, and I hope to GOD he doesn't try and do it here next year.

 

Let him sign in Montreal next year as a backup.  It'll suck for us to see him play somewhere else, but he can't be here next year.


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Posted 27 January 2014 - 10:11 AM

The only way Brodeur plays in the NHL next year is in a Devils jersey. No NHL team in their right mind will sign him. Nobody has to worry about him in a Habs or any other teams jersey because they all have starters and backups and guys stashed in the AHL better than Brodeur. If Marty wants to come back it's up to Lou to tell him the truth...that is if he has the guts to do so (to this point, I'm not sure he does)

 

If Brodeur is really that dead set on playing I'm sure a KHL or Euro league owner will be happy to give him millions and he can go play out the string there.

 

What Brodeur needs is to be humble and accepting. He's not a stupid guy. He needs to know that this year was the year to cede the spotlight to Cory from day one. To be the mentor to him that Terreri was to YOU

 

Did Terreri bitch and moan when you took his job? Did Terreri whine and cry after he saved our asses in Boston (and get this...won a playoff game in OT...something Brodeur rarely does) and then was back on the bench in favor of Brodeur?

 

The same is being expected of Brodeur and he is not delivering


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Posted 27 January 2014 - 10:14 AM

He's not going to hit 700 wins this year, and I hope to GOD he doesn't try and do it here next year.

 

Let him sign in Montreal next year as a backup.  It'll suck for us to see him play somewhere else, but he can't be here next year.

 

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Posted 27 January 2014 - 10:34 AM

If I can defend 7 for one moment.. the anger\backlash from fans is NOT because of the past or present.. it's due to the future! The uncertainty about whether or not this season's his last.. and fans are getting fed-up being pigeon held by a 42 year-old, who's only point in continuing to play seems to be an effort to further inflate his stats, to the point where (he feels) they're unattainable. It's bad enough to put DeBoer, Schneider, and the fans through this goaltending fiasco for ONE season. But to do it again next year?? --that's selfish. You want to continue your career?? --fine! But do it on somebody else's team.. not mine! (yeah, I just said that) We're fighting for a fvcking playoff spot god damn it.. and 100 years of conventional hockey says you; "stay with the hot goalie". You ride the guy who's white-hot.. and I had to see a goalie, who's been playing amazing with a Sv% near .930, ride the pine yesterday because this organization needed to feed the ego of ONE PERSON. A cold goalie who hadn't played in a week, playing a game in an environment less suitable for a player in his 40's, vs a player in his 20's. 

The Devils as an organization used to be untouchable.. not anymore. They preached team, they preached selflessness. They preached; "no ONE PLAYER is bigger than the franchise" for 30 years! --and all that went south yesterday, in an effort to turn a professional hockey team, into the Harlem Globetrotters.

 

*EDIT: What happens if Marty doesn't hit 700 even after next season? Does he come back again for 2016?? Is that how he'd want to be remembered.. as some compiler?? Because 700 wins off a career of 1991 - 2016, would be the definition of a compiler folks. --and if that's the endgame in Brodeur's head.. then have fun a blast ruining your career like Brett Favre!

 

 

This is not just about yesterday bro..

 

Brodeur:  28 GP,  2.52 GAA, .899 Sv% (ranked 40th in the NHL) --41 years old.

Schneider: 26 GP, 1.86 GAA, .927 Sv% (ranked 5th in the NHL) --27 years old.

 

..if it looks like I'm trying to make this seem overall simplistic, it's because it really is! Marty has been a .500 goalie (at best) since 2010. Over his last 250 games, he's manufactured 125 wins, since 2009. He can play the remaining back-to-backs, but THAT'S IT! I want to see this team ride Cory the rest of the way.

 

Beez, in fairness, just about EVERYONE is aware of the vast statistical difference between the two goalies, and that Schneider has to be the undisputed #1 from here on out.  To me, undisputed means PDB doesn't give Marty a start after a meh or poor performance game from Cory, or treats a good Marty start as a reason to keep starting him at Cory's (and the team's) expense.  And fans like me and others have pointed out the balance of the last four years:

 

2010-11:  Bad start (along with just about everyone else), strong second half.  Inconsistent

2011-12:  Bad start, very good final 50 games.  Inconsistent

2013:  Bad overall, but no better option in house, with Hedberg being awful

2013-14:  One good run, pretty bad the rest of the time

 

But yeah, I think just about every Devils fan is in agreement with you.  I've always defended Marty, but from now on, I don't want to hear a single peep out of him re:  2014-15 or the future.  I don't want to hear anything from re:  having a tough time when he gets a start because he's sitting behind Cory too much.  I really don't want to hear much from him at all right now, and that's not because I'm angry with him...it's because he's been mostly a subpar goalie since late November, and I want to hear from the guy who's starting the games, which should be Cory. 

 

I don't think the bold applies to yesterday's game, but if he's back here next season, then I agree with that assessment 100% and then some.  Lou has already seen first hand what happens when you let a diminished star run amok and act like everything happens on his terms (Mark Messier's final seasons with the Rangers), and if Lou allows that to happen here, his loses a lot of credibility in my eyes.  Lou has to tell Marty no.  If that means Marty goes out and actually finds someone else to sign him, so be it.  I don't know if 700 wins means anything to Marty, but it shouldn't.  For one, like you say, him chasing it next season and possibly beyond will lead more fans to call him a compiler, even though he really wasn't.  He also won't remembered as fondly, which is kind of a shame.  If he retires gracefully after this season, I think the outdoor debacle and the balance of this season and last are largely forgotten as footnotes of inevitable decline.  If he has to be forcibly pushed out the door, I don't think Devils fans will love him for it, but they'll forgive that too, as a guy who's competitive and driven, but just isn't seeing reality.  But if he's somehow back here next season, and Lou backs it, then I'm sorry, each one of them is hanging on to Fonzie's legs as he jumps the shark.   


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Posted 27 January 2014 - 11:01 AM

I saw more 2 on 1's and 3 on 1's than I can remember since the "mickey mouse" years.  Marty wasn't great but the defense made him look like the old Marty (as opposed to the elderly Marty). :wink2:   Thank God it's only one game.


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Posted 27 January 2014 - 11:08 AM

He's not going to hit 700 wins this year, and I hope to GOD he doesn't try and do it here next year.

 

Let him sign in Montreal next year as a backup.  It'll suck for us to see him play somewhere else, but he can't be here next year.

 

Budaj is doing a great job and for cheaper than what Brodeur would be asking why would they do that?


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Posted 27 January 2014 - 11:09 AM

1. Carey Price

2. Peter Budaj

3. Zachary Fucale

 

all better than Martin Brodeur is right now. They want nothing to do with him

 

Fucale is an 18-year-old playing in the Q. You really think he's better than Brodeur right now?


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Posted 27 January 2014 - 11:12 AM

Budaj is doing a great job and for cheaper than what Brodeur would be asking why would they do that?

 

Legacy.  They'd probably sell about a million bucks worth of Brodeur jersey's in one season.

 

They could offset his contract cost in memorabilia sales alone :lol:

 

I don't know, I just hope SOMEONE else takes him.  He apparently had inquiries from a couple teams two years ago - maybe some GM out there is stupid enough to bring him on for leadership.


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