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#221 CarpathianForest

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Posted 09 February 2014 - 07:47 PM

We were in much better shape in 2012. There was no way Lou would have traded Parise or Clarkson back then.


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Posted 09 February 2014 - 08:37 PM

We were in much better shape in 2012. There was no way Lou would have traded Parise or Clarkson back then.

 

Re:  Parise, of course not.  That team had improved throughout the season after a 12-12-1 (heavily buoyed by six shootout wins) start. 

 

Re:  Clarkson, Devils were still in the playoff hunt at the time with a 15-12-9 record at the time of the deadline.  Unfortunately, an 0-6-1 nosedive followed, which SD will probably say Lou should've seen coming.    


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Posted 09 February 2014 - 08:47 PM

I never heard him say anything like that - source?  I believe you, just curious where he said it.

 

I saw it on HF a while back but I couldn't find the direct thread/quote in search, just this and the few subsequent posts on it

 

http://hfboards.hock...5&postcount=514


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Posted 09 February 2014 - 08:54 PM

Lamoriello has a track record for not signing players in season, but that doesn't mean he doesn't talk to them, feel them out and lay groundwork. Let's not confuse the two. Lou has always been of the opinion that if a player thinks he can get more money someplace else, he's entitled to it as a FA and should go get it. Lamoriello views each player as an asset to the team in the present and doesn't believe in trading assets today to spite tomorrow and hurting the team. Even if they told him to his face they're walking in July, it isn't happening.  

 

SD, Lou's been here since 1987. This is common knowledge. You can probably find the quotes online if you want to spend the time looking. Lou isn't the Lou of old anymore, but there's some things he's just not changing. He's not going to magically turn into Glen Sather with in season signings.


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Posted 09 February 2014 - 09:42 PM

I saw it on HF a while back but I couldn't find the direct thread/quote in search, just this and the few subsequent posts on it

 

http://hfboards.hock...5&postcount=514

 

HFBoards is like a giant awful game of Telephone - not really helpful.  Oh well.


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Posted 09 February 2014 - 09:44 PM

Lamoriello has a track record for not signing players in season, but that doesn't mean he doesn't talk to them, feel them out and lay groundwork. Let's not confuse the two. Lou has always been of the opinion that if a player thinks he can get more money someplace else, he's entitled to it as a FA and should go get it. Lamoriello views each player as an asset to the team in the present and doesn't believe in trading assets today to spite tomorrow and hurting the team. Even if they told him to his face they're walking in July, it isn't happening.  

 

SD, Lou's been here since 1987. This is common knowledge. You can probably find the quotes online if you want to spend the time looking. Lou isn't the Lou of old anymore, but there's some things he's just not changing. He's not going to magically turn into Glen Sather with in season signings.

 

It is for this reason that I look forward to the post-Lou era.  

 

I mean, trust me I know I'll be missing Lou once he leaves.  But some things need to change.


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 05:13 AM

Lamoriello has a track record for not signing players in season, but that doesn't mean he doesn't talk to them, feel them out and lay groundwork. Let's not confuse the two. Lou has always been of the opinion that if a player thinks he can get more money someplace else, he's entitled to it as a FA and should go get it. Lamoriello views each player as an asset to the team in the present and doesn't believe in trading assets today to spite tomorrow and hurting the team. Even if they told him to his face they're walking in July, it isn't happening.  
 
SD, Lou's been here since 1987. This is common knowledge. You can probably find the quotes online if you want to spend the time looking. Lou isn't the Lou of old anymore, but there's some things he's just not changing. He's not going to magically turn into Glen

Sather with in season signings.


Lou doesn't talk with players as you suggested just ask Elias the most loyal.
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Posted 10 February 2014 - 01:30 PM

Re:  Parise, of course not.  That team had improved throughout the season after a 12-12-1 (heavily buoyed by six shootout wins) start. 

 

Re:  Clarkson, Devils were still in the playoff hunt at the time with a 15-12-9 record at the time of the deadline.  Unfortunately, an 0-6-1 nosedive followed, which SD will probably say Lou should've seen coming.    

 

i mean honestly, if you guys STILL think im saying he should have just trade him to get something, i mean at this point believe what you want. I can't even believe how many time i told YOU directly thats not what i meant and you still come back with that. Unreal.

 

and its not even the first time im telling you what i just told you. Really like talking to a wall


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 08:29 PM

Lou made the right choice by not trading Parise, because you know, we were in the playoff race!


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 08:33 PM

Moving Parise would've been suicide for this franchise.  Sucks that he left, but selling him off would've been a bad, bad sign.  Young star player in his prime?  Sends the wrong message.


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 11:26 PM

Lou made the right choice by not trading Parise, because you know, we were in the playoff race!

Apples to oranges big time. What 28 something year old superstar are we suggesting to trade here? That's not even considering the difference in the teams we have. That team was never in a dire straight as this one is now.


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 11:38 PM

Moving Parise would've been suicide for this franchise.  Sucks that he left, but selling him off would've been a bad, bad sign.  Young star player in his prime?  Sends the wrong message.

 

Moving him would have been suicide? Having him walk for nothing is the same result. Who gives a sh!t about signs, we would be in a much better position right now had he been traded off. And I'm not saying we shoulda traded him during the playoff run, that's just a crazy statement. The only message it would have sent is that Lou wasn't confident he could resign parise. Which turns out was the case.

 

A good GM (not saying Lou isn't) should have an idea of if he's going to be able to likely resign a big time player or not. He might not know 100percent but he must have had an idea. If you just explained the situation and didn't name the team or players, I'm sure people would think we were the Islanders or some sh!tty sh!tty franchise.


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 11:43 PM

Apples to oranges big time. What 28 something year old superstar are we suggesting to trade here? That's not even considering the difference in the teams we have. That team was never in a dire straight as this one is now.

 

Tell me you're joking.

 

I wasn't comparing this year's team to that team.  I was simply responding to Stereo.


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Posted 11 February 2014 - 02:16 AM

You couldn't do it and in that case you shouldn't do it.    The only case you could make is to do it at the draft for an exclusive window.   But that of course is going to diminish the value as he was sought after.


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Posted 11 February 2014 - 08:54 AM

Moving him would have been suicide? Having him walk for nothing is the same result. Who gives a sh!t about signs, we would be in a much better position right now had he been traded off. And I'm not saying we shoulda traded him during the playoff run, that's just a crazy statement. The only message it would have sent is that Lou wasn't confident he could resign parise. Which turns out was the case.

 

A good GM (not saying Lou isn't) should have an idea of if he's going to be able to likely resign a big time player or not. He might not know 100percent but he must have had an idea. If you just explained the situation and didn't name the team or players, I'm sure people would think we were the Islanders or some sh!tty sh!tty franchise.

 

Ehh, yeah you can say that now.  But at the time, with all the ownership uncertainty, I think it would've been stupid to ship off the team's then-captain when the playoffs were 'still in reach'.  And, for all we knew, Lou maybe thought Parise was, in fact, going to resign.  If you believe the rumor mill, the gears really only began turning during the later parts of the season and playoffs when he was texting his BFFL.

 

But this issue has been absolutely beat to death by everyone here on the forum.  Nothing new being said here at this point.

 

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In another direction, this Randy Miller seems to have a problem with the commenters on nj.com:

 

http://www.nj.com/de...ml#incart_river

 

Now again, you can spin this article any way you'd like, but would any employee ever say something negative about their boss to the press?

 

Also, I'd like to hear him interview some young players to see how they feel - again, not that they'd ever say something negative.


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Posted 11 February 2014 - 09:04 AM

Now again, you can spin this article any way you'd like, but would any employee ever say something negative about their boss to the press?

 

 

Not if they want to keep their jobs. All of them have a reason to not say anything stupid, negative or bad about the coach. Seeing the article as a testimony of any kind is foolish.


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Posted 11 February 2014 - 09:43 AM

Interesting piece by Miller. Really good job. I am starting to really like this guy. 

 

Marshall, we disagree. Players going on the record about their coach is a big thing. It is very easy for a player to say no comment to a reporter or I don't want to discuss this with you. This isn't in front of a media scrum either. You have a reporter going off to the side and asking a player can I ask you a few questions about Deboer and the team. Very easy to say I'd rather not, especially when Miller is asking players to address fans concerns.


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Posted 11 February 2014 - 10:41 AM

Nice idea for an article -- the players address the fans' concerns. But it is true that no player is going to say negative things about DeBoer. I wonder if anyone refused to comment. The reporter, Miller, doesn't say.

 

BTW, I support the job Pete 's done only because I don't believe the team as currently constructed could've been expected to do much better.

 

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Posted 11 February 2014 - 10:45 AM

 

Mark Fayne feels the same.

"I think one of Pete's biggest assets is how he gets his point across, whether it's a video meeting or pre-game meeting," the fourth-year defenseman said. "He tells us exactly what he expects from us and the team, and I think it's easier when the communication is so good.

"He also works well with the younger guys. He gets them into games. He gives them opportunities, and he gives them opportunities to play with some of the older guys."

Interesting, very interesting considering Fayne had been in and out of the lineup before. This could be lip service, but I wouldn't think so.


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Posted 11 February 2014 - 10:49 AM

Not if they want to keep their jobs. All of them have a reason to not say anything stupid, negative or bad about the coach. Seeing the article as a testimony of any kind is foolish.

 

As devilsfan118 said, it can be spun anyway you want. If you're going into it disliking Deboer, of course that's how it's going to come out. Zubrus' spot is cemented on the team and he's been pretty honest in the past. His comments also really don't seem forced. Fayne can go where ever he wants in July, so he really has no reason to make stuff up either.

 

Every player who commented mentioned how much they like his system. Zubrus said that when things go wrong, it's because they've gone off of the system and people are trying to do their own thing. This is almost exactly what Elias said not long ago.


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