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#241 SterioDesign

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Posted 11 February 2014 - 11:50 AM

On RDS earlier this season Mathieu Darche was praising DeBoer's ability on how he can get the players to play his system


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Posted 03 March 2014 - 12:31 PM

I'm in baby.

 

 

I said if Pete went with Brodeur after the Sharks game that I am jumping on this bandwagon. If the Devils lose this game against the Wings, the season might as well be over.


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Posted 03 March 2014 - 12:36 PM

I'm in baby.

 

 

I said if Pete went with Brodeur after the Sharks game that I am jumping on this bandwagon. If the Devils lose this game against the Wings, the season might as well be over.

 

I expect this thread to get lots of action in the next couple of days


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Posted 03 March 2014 - 12:36 PM

I'm in baby.

 

 

I said if Pete went with Brodeur after the Sharks game that I am jumping on this bandwagon. If the Devils lose this game against the Wings, the season might as well be over.

 

I'm with you, I defended him all season but this is inexcusable. He has one mediocre game against a top 5 team, and gets benched? It's a joke. 


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Posted 03 March 2014 - 12:38 PM

How many bones are the Devils obligated to throw Marty here?  Honestly..Cory needs this start.  

 

This move makes it all the more apparent that PDB has absolutely no ability to control the veterans in his locker room,  imo.


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Posted 03 March 2014 - 12:39 PM

Count me in too.

 

Brodeur no-doubt has his fair share of blame throughout this fiasco, with how he's dragged the media into this. But Pete DeBoer has alot of blood on his hands, in regards to making this goalie situation an absolute mess. He has completely mishandled it from the beginning.


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Posted 03 March 2014 - 12:55 PM

Count me in too.

 

Brodeur no-doubt has his fair share of blame throughout this fiasco, with how he's dragged the media into this. But Pete DeBoer has alot of blood on his hands, in regards to making this goalie situation an absolute mess. He has completely mishandled it from the beginning.

 

So has Lou Lamoriello. He can not be given a free pass. Lamoriello, from the very beginning, with his "1A" nonsense to the media and his inability to properly handle the ego and fame of Martin Brodeur.


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Posted 03 March 2014 - 01:03 PM

Count me in too.

 

Brodeur no-doubt has his fair share of blame throughout this fiasco, with how he's dragged the media into this. But Pete DeBoer has alot of blood on his hands, in regards to making this goalie situation an absolute mess. He has completely mishandled it from the beginning.

 

How has this goalie situation been "an absolute mess"??? This is insanely tame compared to Vancouver or Washington or Montreal the past few years. Relatively speaking, both goalies have been super professional.


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Posted 03 March 2014 - 01:05 PM

How many bones are the Devils obligated to throw Marty here?  Honestly..Cory needs this start.  

 

This move makes it all the more apparent that PDB has absolutely no ability to control the veterans in his locker room,  imo.

 

Well, Cory made some very fundamental, bone-head, non-elite goaltender mistakes yesterday in a game that was very much needed by his club.  Cory makes saves on those last three Sharks goals and the game is different.

 

He played the 2 on 1 - Pavelski/Torres combo very badly.  Granted, Merril cheated to Pavelski's side a bit too much, however, Cory was very out of place when Torres shot that puck.  Plus, he gave up a few long range wristers yesterday...

 

I'm not 100% on Cory's "must win" game ability...

 

Keep Marty.


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Posted 03 March 2014 - 01:10 PM

Well, Cory made some very fundamental, bone-head, non-elite goaltender mistakes yesterday in a game that was very much needed by his club.

 

This win would've been nice, let's put the game in THAT category.

 

But, statistically, most of the league can't beat the Sharks. When you're second in a super strong division, that's what it entails. Let's not act like anyone though yesterday's game should have been ours, it was Sharks' to lose.


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Posted 03 March 2014 - 01:15 PM

Well, Cory made some very fundamental, bone-head, non-elite goaltender mistakes yesterday in a game that was very much needed by his club.  Cory makes saves on those last three Sharks goals and the game is different.

 

He played the 2 on 1 - Pavelski/Torres combo very badly.  Granted, Merril cheated to Pavelski's side a bit too much, however, Cory was very out of place when Torres shot that puck.  Plus, he gave up a few long range wristers yesterday...

 

I'm not 100% on Cory's "must win" game ability...

 

Keep Marty.

We'll have none of that rational non groupthink mentality here.

 

Since tomorrow is apparently guaranteed loss night now,  I'll take anyone's ticket who doesn't want to be subjected to seeing the greatest of all time play one more game here.  


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Posted 03 March 2014 - 01:51 PM

Well, Cory made some very fundamental, bone-head, non-elite goaltender mistakes yesterday in a game that was very much needed by his club.  Cory makes saves on those last three Sharks goals and the game is different.

 

He played the 2 on 1 - Pavelski/Torres combo very badly.  Granted, Merril cheated to Pavelski's side a bit too much, however, Cory was very out of place when Torres shot that puck.  Plus, he gave up a few long range wristers yesterday...

 

I'm not 100% on Cory's "must win" game ability...

 

Keep Marty.

 

I really didn't think he gave up anything soft, and if you are faulting him on that 2 on 1, then you should just quit watching hockey. If anyone is at fault, it would be Merrill. Even then, that was an incredible pass from Pavelski.


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Posted 03 March 2014 - 02:04 PM

I really didn't think he gave up anything soft, and if you are faulting him on that 2 on 1, then you should just quit watching hockey. If anyone is at fault, it would be Merrill. Even then, that was an incredible pass from Pavelski.

 

Brother, not sure what game you were watching because I've watched many, many, many hockey games in my life.  I also play hockey.  I'm not bluntly faulting Cory on that 2 on 1, but when Torres can set up a picnic and take his time to shoot into an open net, with Cory as far to the right as possible, it means that Cory couldn't get accross fast enough to even compete to fight the shot or take away some of Torres' open net...

 

Torres stutter stepped that shot, didn't even one-time it, so in my honest opinion, I think that Cory could have made that shot a little more competitive from his side, not to mention look like he tried to avoid doing pirouettes or snow angels at the other post...


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Posted 03 March 2014 - 02:05 PM

Well, Cory made some very fundamental, bone-head, non-elite goaltender mistakes yesterday in a game that was very much needed by his club.  Cory makes saves on those last three Sharks goals and the game is different.

 

He played the 2 on 1 - Pavelski/Torres combo very badly.  Granted, Merril cheated to Pavelski's side a bit too much, however, Cory was very out of place when Torres shot that puck.  Plus, he gave up a few long range wristers yesterday...

 

I'm not 100% on Cory's "must win" game ability...

 

Keep Marty.

If you really want to compare them...

 

Schneider: .923 SV%, +7.73 GSAA, .927 5v5 SV%
Brodeur: .900 SV%, -9.51 GSAA, .898 5v5 SV%
 
via (@ChrisBoyle33) NHL Clean SV% = .951...Schneider: .961, Brodeur: .928...difference of about 28 goals. 85% of the shots the Devils face are clean. For a team that needs every single point they can get, it doesn't make sense to play Brodeur. Boyle's full article really breaks it down.

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 02:09 PM

 

If you really want to compare them...

 

Schneider: .923 SV%, +7.73 GSAA, .927 5v5 SV%
Brodeur: .900 SV%, -9.51 GSAA, .898 5v5 SV%
 
via (@ChrisBoyle33) NHL Clean SV% = .951...Schneider: .961, Brodeur: .928...difference of about 28 goals. 85% of the shots the Devils face are clean. For a team that needs every single point they can get, it doesn't make sense to play Brodeur. Boyle's full article really breaks it down.

 

 

That's nice but Pete has already said he doesn't look at save percentage. If he did, no article would have to be written.


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Posted 03 March 2014 - 02:10 PM

Well, Cory made some very fundamental, bone-head, non-elite goaltender mistakes yesterday in a game that was very much needed by his club.  Cory makes saves on those last three Sharks goals and the game is different.

 

He played the 2 on 1 - Pavelski/Torres combo very badly.  Granted, Merril cheated to Pavelski's side a bit too much, however, Cory was very out of place when Torres shot that puck.  Plus, he gave up a few long range wristers yesterday...

 

I'm not 100% on Cory's "must win" game ability...

 

Keep Marty.

 

In the 2 on 1 situation the defender is suppose to take away the pass option. The Sharks were able to pass twice. You can’t blame Schneider on that goal.


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Posted 03 March 2014 - 02:14 PM

Count me in too.

 

Brodeur no-doubt has his fair share of blame throughout this fiasco, with how he's dragged the media into this. But Pete DeBoer has alot of blood on his hands, in regards to making this goalie situation an absolute mess. He has completely mishandled it from the beginning.

 

How has Marty "dragged the media" into this?  He's been asked questions and answered them honestly, as he has about various things throughout his career.  I don't see him calling press conferences. 

 

How is the goalie situation "an absolute mess"?  We all knew it was going be an awkward transition initally...it wasn't like Cory was just going be named the #1 guy at the start of the season, for a lot of reasons.  Marty then had a 10-game burst of very good play, and Schneider had a meh December, which made the inevitable passing of the torch more complicated.     

 

I'm not saying I agree 100% with the way the goaltending situation has been handled all season...I think Marty got the "go-to guy" treatment too often, and if that is PBD's thinking for Tuesday, then I can't defend it at all.  I'm actually wondering at this point if something is wrong with Cory that we don't know about, because that is the ONLY reason I can possibly justify Marty getting the game against the Red Wings.  But I don't think the goaltending situation has been an absolute mess by any stretch.  Cory has been getting the majority of the starts for a while now, and I can understand why Marty got the game against the Isles.  I'm not sure how much better this whole thing would've gone with another coach...this was going to be complicated no matter who was behind the bench.


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Posted 03 March 2014 - 02:29 PM

I'm so far onto the Anti-DeBoer bandwagon at this point that I'm literally not renewing my season tickets until he is either fired (unlikely) or not rehired (fingers crossed). I just can't with him anymore. Starting Marty tomorrow is so beyond awful that I can't handle it. Anyone faulting Cory for yesterday is insane. The last 3 goals were: a 2-on-1 played so poorly by Merrill that it became a 2-on-0, a 3-on-1 with a top shelf snipe to finish it, and a blind pass by Gelinas to a Shark all alone in front. Cory has given this team a chance to win most of his starts this year and is in the middle of a 17 game stretch where he's only allowed 2+ goals twice (and one of those was in OT). There's literally no excuse to start Marty over him in a must win game. DeBoer is an idiot.


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Posted 03 March 2014 - 02:46 PM

I don't really see the big deal with starting Marty. Schneider got six or so games in a row after Marty screwed up and we all just assumed that Cory is now the every day starter. Turns out, DeBoer is going to keep going with the hotter goalie. Marty didn't have a big game on Saturday but he won and only allowed one goal. I think it's a fair decision to start him.


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Posted 03 March 2014 - 02:56 PM

I don't really see the big deal with starting Marty. Schneider got six or so games in a row after Marty screwed up and we all just assumed that Cory is now the every day starter. Turns out, DeBoer is going to keep going with the hotter goalie. Marty didn't have a big game on Saturday but he won and only allowed one goal. I think it's a fair decision to start him.

 

Pretty sure I could've won that game against the Isles. They might be the worst team in the league at this point with Tavares out. Meanwhile, Cory lost to one of the top teams in the league. If that's what DeBoer is basing this decision on then he's dumber than I gave him credit for.


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