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#21 MadDog2020

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Posted 01 February 2014 - 02:23 PM

Here's my thing about DeBoer- I know I bitch about him a lot. But I actually do think he's a good hockey coach. The players have not quit on him. They play for him. I'm not completely convinced he should be fired YET, although my frustration gets the best of me after games like last night. Its his lineup decisions that are giving me grey hairs. I just don't know what he sees with some of his decisions on who to play and how much ice time they should get (Gionta and Sal come immediately to mind). And I like Gionta too, I don't mean to rip on him as much as I do- but he's nothing more than a fourth line plug, and Pete thinks he's his brother sometimes. Drives me insane. That's my conflict on Pete- good coach and I like him personally, but sh!tty with young players, and makes bone-headed line-up decisions.


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Posted 01 February 2014 - 02:26 PM

Pretty sure most everyone feels that way.
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Posted 01 February 2014 - 02:32 PM

All I'll say is this

 

Plenty of Devils coaches have done better and still gotten canned. It is odd how Lou has stuck with Deboer when Robinson and Julien got fired for reasons most of us still don't understand.

 

He did have the Cup run...but he's also likely going to miss the playoff consecutive years


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Posted 01 February 2014 - 02:35 PM

Is this a joke thread?

DeBoer has done a great job with a hodgepodge of 2nd and 3rd tier types of older, slower players and inexperience kids. We had cap issues before this year and Lou did a great job signing Clowe, Ryder and Jagr on the cheap. Deboer has the team competitive despite not having a consistent core group of players on defense. Without Deboer we would be the worst team in the league.


Not a joke. Like I said, I don't think he should be, but more and more people are saying the opposite. It's gets thrown into every other thread, so I figured it made sense to start something where it can all be discussed in one plac.


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Posted 01 February 2014 - 02:38 PM

I'm never a fan of firing a coach who isn't provided with the tools needed to win. When you lose Parise and Kovy and don't replace either of them with anyone even approaching their level, you aren't going to be successful.
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Posted 01 February 2014 - 03:48 PM

Not a joke. Like I said, I don't think he should be, but more and more people are saying the opposite. It's gets thrown into every other thread, so I figured it made sense to start something where it can all be discussed in one plac.


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If that's the case, then thanks for starting this topic, Daniel.    But, I haven't seen anyone make the case to fire him yet in this thread.    

 

A lot of moaning and groaning, but nothing concrete.     For those of you that think Deboer needs to go, I have one name for you:  John Maclean


All I'll say is this

 

Plenty of Devils coaches have done better and still gotten canned. It is odd how Lou has stuck with Deboer when Robinson and Julien got fired for reasons most of us still don't understand.

 

He did have the Cup run...but he's also likely going to miss the playoff consecutive years

 

 

Never understood the Julien firing myself.

 

He is may not make the playoffs for consecutive years, but he also has been hamstrung with a mediocre line-up that plays hard, but lacks the talent.


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Posted 01 February 2014 - 03:51 PM

You say it's a rebuilding and yet you want Pete here for that? Does not compute. I'm under the impression that we are rebuilding as well and that's the main reason I want Pete gone. He has shown time and time again that he can't handle young players. If this is going to turn into the rebuilding it needs to be, he has to go before he ruins every young player we have to the point of no return.

 

Tell that to Gelinas, Merrill, Tedenby, JJ and Boucher, etc.   DeBoer has given the kids multiple opportunities to prove themselves and most of them just aren't ready for the big time yet.


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Posted 01 February 2014 - 03:53 PM

Here's my thing about DeBoer- I know I bitch about him a lot. But I actually do think he's a good hockey coach. The players have not quit on him. They play for him. I'm not completely convinced he should be fired YET, although my frustration gets the best of me after games like last night. Its his lineup decisions that are giving me grey hairs. I just don't know what he sees with some of his decisions on who to play and how much ice time they should get (Gionta and Sal come immediately to mind). And I like Gionta too, I don't mean to rip on him as much as I do- but he's nothing more than a fourth line plug, and Pete thinks he's his brother sometimes. Drives me insane. That's my conflict on Pete- good coach and I like him personally, but sh!tty with young players, and makes bone-headed line-up decisions.

 

I couldn't have said it better myself man!


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Posted 01 February 2014 - 04:05 PM

I posted in the last GDT that it won't be long before everyone gets on Lou Lams case this thread is missed named this is the start of the negative Lou Lams thread. Have at it Devils fans. Lou Lams is a control freak that has his hands on everything 100% he allowed the goalie contrivesary he gave DeBoer the players, he controls who go to the AHL and who comes back and he writes the contracts, and selects the Captain.

Devils fans you're moving in the right direction .
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Posted 01 February 2014 - 04:14 PM

I'd like to see Lou make a few moves before firing Pete. Use that last compliance buyout on either Volch or Salvador and try to land someone like Stastny this offseason. Give him one more year with a solid roster.


Why bother when he doesn't even play talent where he has it?
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Posted 01 February 2014 - 04:17 PM

Tell that to Gelinas, Merrill, Tedenby, JJ and Boucher, etc. DeBoer has given the kids multiple opportunities to prove themselves and most of them just aren't ready for the big time yet.


A coach is supposed to teach and instruct. Alarming is how now multiple players have indicated there is no communication or instruction coming from this coaching staff. Deboer was criticized for this in Florida and even back in juniors. He's never gonna change .

I'm never a fan of firing a coach who isn't provided with the tools needed to win. When you lose Parise and Kovy and don't replace either of them with anyone even approaching their level, you aren't going to be successful.


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Posted 01 February 2014 - 04:19 PM

funny, i have very little issue with pdb. he's working with the hand he's dealt and i truly believe that lou controls that roster 100% with regards to who is on it. plus, if lou wanted josefson playing (or loktionov), they'd be playing. i can tell you that the players like pdb. and that's not because he's a "players coach" who lets them get away with murder. he's not. everyone knows that this is lou's team and will be until he's gone (not that i'm advocating that).

if this team misses the playoffs this year, the fault would lie on bad shootouts that no coach can fix and an over reliance on marty which no coach could handle better than pete at this point.

i am for stability.


Well if you are for keeping Lou, you are also for senility. And there is no stability here the last few years or with how Rip van Winkle runs his roster.

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Posted 01 February 2014 - 04:45 PM

If this team had won 4 shootouts, absolutely no one but loons like coldply would be talking about firing DeBoer.  They might be unhappy with some of his roster choices - I certainly am - but I defy you to find a coach where the fans aren't upset.


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Posted 01 February 2014 - 04:46 PM

This is one of the most rational threads I've seen in recent weeks anywhere. 

 

Finally some people are giving DeBoer some credit, considering Lou hooked him up with a 3rd and 4th liner team. Considering our 36 and 42 year olds are the leading scorers, there's a problem with our roster, not the coach, and that's on Lou.

 

 

Plenty of Devils coaches have done better and still gotten canned. It is odd how Lou has stuck with Deboer when Robinson and Julien got fired for reasons most of us still don't understand.

 

I think this is Lou's way of acknowledging that the current state of the team is his and Conte's fault. A new coach might only make things worse considering the D-quality roster we have at their disposal (outside of Schneider who may be our only "elite" player right now and moving forward).


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Posted 01 February 2014 - 04:47 PM

We could use stability behind the bench, and Pete is a devil type coach in my opinion. everyone gets on him for his lack of emotion during games, but the coach should be level headed for the most part. I loved his confrontation with tortorella, but generally I think the coach needs to be a calming presence and keep the group focused.
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Posted 01 February 2014 - 05:27 PM

I don't mind his calm demeanor. We have so many veterans, he shouldn't have to get angry to prove his point. It worked so well for Tortorella, right?


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Posted 01 February 2014 - 05:40 PM

A coach is supposed to teach and instruct. Alarming is how now multiple players have indicated there is no communication or instruction coming from this coaching staff. Deboer was criticized for this in Florida and even back in juniors. He's never gonna change .

Good coaches find a way.

 

No, the minor league is for teaching and instruction.   Young players need to be prepared for the speed and the grind at the major league level.   

 

NHL Head coaches are more tacticians and strategists than "teachers" at the NHL level.   Players at the NHL level need the rudiments.  


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Posted 01 February 2014 - 05:44 PM

This is one of the most rational threads I've seen in recent weeks anywhere. 

 

I think this is Lou's way of acknowledging that the current state of the team is his and Conte's fault. A new coach might only make things worse considering the D-quality roster we have at their disposal (outside of Schneider who may be our only "elite" player right now and moving forward).

 

I agree.   We haven't drafted an impact forward since Zach.   There is not alot of talent upfront to choose from.   I love Boucher, but he is still not ready yet.   Would love to see Matteau in the next year or so.


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Posted 01 February 2014 - 05:45 PM

Everyone needs to be fired and sued.


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Posted 01 February 2014 - 05:48 PM

If this team had won 4 shootouts, absolutely no one but loons like coldply would be talking about firing DeBoer.  They might be unhappy with some of his roster choices - I certainly am - but I defy you to find a coach where the fans aren't upset.

 

If PDB didn't feel he had to pander to Marty earlier in the season and played Cory a few times more, and screw 4 shootout wins, I'd take 3 - we'd be in a playoff spot - which is all that people care about.

 

It's the roster's mediocrity, not Pete's.

 

If there's an issue with development, etc - that's on Lou to an extent, and I'd even say the assistant coaches.


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