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#221 Devil Dan 56

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Posted 07 February 2014 - 03:28 PM

IMO the history of how we drafted Matteau and the whole kovy penalty should have little bearing on how we value him in terms of potential trades. I personally see him as a third line nhler- (in 2 years) and not the answer to our scoring problems.

It's not like im looking to trade him but like I said for the right guy I would consider it.

 

Yeah, I really hope this guy can have a career and not have everyone holding when he was drafted over his head. He had no choice in the matter.

 

I personally don't see him being traded just because he looks to be a Zubrus type that would fit the Devils perfectly when he's ready.


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Posted 07 February 2014 - 03:47 PM

:argh:

 

I almost hope other teams keep winning, just so that it's ABUNDANTLY CLEAR we shouldn't be buyers this season.

 

So in other words, you don't like when people are being rational.  Good to know.


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Posted 07 February 2014 - 03:56 PM

Yeah, I really hope this guy can have a career and not have everyone holding when he was drafted over his head. He had no choice in the matter.

I personally don't see him being traded just because he looks to be a Zubrus type that would fit the Devils perfectly when he's ready.

agreed definitely on the draft situation. I also don't think Lou would move him.
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Posted 07 February 2014 - 03:57 PM

So in other words, you don't like when people are being rational.  Good to know.

 

Listen, I'm not going to entertain you with yet another board arguement so you can boost your post count some more - you've done enough of that in the past few days with different people in various threads.  You're not rational - you're annoyingly and falsely optimistic.  I refuse to get into it over something as silly as this.

 

My point here, again, is that I firmly believe the Devils should not be buyers this season.  In fact, I think it'd be downright stupid to not trade several of Jagr/Zidlicky/Fayne if possible.  Call up Gelinas, Larsson, and Boucher and let them play the season out.  It'll be ugly, but at least it'll be progress.

 

And it's getting tiring seeing people reference the Devils as "just outside a spot".  We need to look at trends here..not just current standings alone.  Big picture stuff - does anyone here think the Devils will somehow magically find a way to get 65-70% of the points available from this point forward without something drastic like a coach change or huge shakeup trade (neither of which is likely coming)?


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Posted 07 February 2014 - 03:57 PM

Yeah, I really hope this guy can have a career and not have everyone holding when he was drafted over his head. He had no choice in the matter.

 

I personally don't see him being traded just because he looks to be a Zubrus type that would fit the Devils perfectly when he's ready.

 

It's funny, as everyone knows, Devils offensive defenseman Tom Kurvers was traded to the Maple Leafs in early in the 1989-90 season, for Toronto's first-rounder in 1991.  He actually played well for the rest of that season for the Leafs, and for that one season, they were actually an exciting (though terrible defensively) offensive team.  Then it all crashed and burned for them, and Toronto was playing so badly early on the following season that it looked like that '91 draft pick that been had traded for Kurvers could very well turn out to be Eric Lindros.  Unfortunately, Kurvers started hearing about it from the Leaf faithful...enough so that GM Cliff Fletcher, who was clearly embarrassed at the prospect of seeing the Devils take Lindros with the '91 Leaf pick, traded Kurvers and several other players to avoid finishing with the worst overall record.  The move worked...Leafs finished with the second-worst record overall, but due to the expansion Sharks being awarded the second pick in the '91 draft, the Devils had the third pick and took Scott Niedermayer.  Even now it's still considered one of the worst deals ever made in the NHL...and Kurvers, who was simply the body moved in the deal, took a lot of abuse for Fletcher's mistake. 


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Posted 07 February 2014 - 03:58 PM

Yeah, I really hope this guy can have a career and not have everyone holding when he was drafted over his head. He had no choice in the matter.

 

Agreed.  Although it's hard not to at times.  He shouldn't be held accountable for what might end up being a big mistake by Lou.


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Posted 07 February 2014 - 04:06 PM

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And it's getting tiring seeing people reference the Devils as "just outside a spot". We need to look at trends here..not just current standings. Big picture stuff. Does anyone here think the Devils will somehow magically find a way to get 65-70% of the points available from this point forward without something drastic like a coach change or huge shakeup trade (neither of which is likely coming)?


It's really a 50-50 proposition. What they have going for them is having arguably the best goalie in hockey who will be getting 85 to 90 percent of the starts for the rest of the season. And they are very good defensively. True, barring something none of us can see coming, the lack of scoring won't change. But when you're only going to give up an average of less than two goals a game, you don't have to have much scoring to sneak into a playoff spot.

Also, blowing it up, so to speak, won't do much for the team in the long term. The assets you would be willing to jettison, even Jagr, won't bring a return that you can count on to help the team down the road. I mean, maybe you can get a late first rounder for Jagr, and that's a stretch. Most of those guys don't turn into excellent scorers.


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Posted 07 February 2014 - 04:12 PM

“We’re going to play the best players,” Lamoriello said. “We’re certainly not making decisions not to have the best people here.” - http://blogs.northje.....7Plz6N6b.dpuf


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Posted 07 February 2014 - 04:15 PM

young player that’s better than a veteran, then it’s our job to make room for him” and yet young defensemen Adam Larsson and Eric Gelinas are both in the AHL with Albany at the moment after playing pretty well for the Devils earlier this season.

Right now, the only young defenseman on the roster is Jon Merrill, who turned 22 on Monday.

When I asked Lamoriello if he needs to make moves to get Larsson and Gelinas on this team before the end of this season, he replied, “The best players have to play.”

At this point, Lamoriello does not consider Larsson and Gelinas to be in that group, but he expects them to be in the future.


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Posted 07 February 2014 - 04:18 PM

 

Ugh, not for nothing, but Clowe has been one of our better players lately

 

Ugh, not for nothing, but Clowe has been one of our better players lately

 LATELY??? his last 6 games have been brutal.


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Posted 07 February 2014 - 04:20 PM

None of those players can be sent to the AHL without clearing waivers, so it was not an option for them to go to Albany to get their games back first. Still, four weeks should be plenty of time for Larsson to get ready to reclaim a position he had before he was injured like every other injured player on the team has done this season.

“He got hurt and he went down and he’s getting his game together and in my opinion he’s not ready right now to come back in where he’s at,” Lamoriello said. “It has nothing to do with anything. It also has to do with how people are playing here.”


Yeah whatever you say Lou, because Salvador is playing out of his mind. Harrold too.


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Posted 07 February 2014 - 04:23 PM

“He got hurt and he went down and he’s getting his game together and in my opinion he’s not ready right now to come back in where he’s at,” Lamoriello said. “It has nothing to do with anything. It also has to do with how people are playing here.”

 

I think Lou's actually losing his mind.

 

Ugh this is frustrating.  I JUST DON'T GET HARROLD.  What does he bring?  What value do Lou and PDB see in him?  Some offense?  Bring Gelinas up for offense.  Harrold's garbage defensively, so he can't be up for that reason.

 

This team is really just..stress-inducing.  I get more frustration not knowing what the hell is actually going on behind the scenes than I do pleasure watching the games it seems.

 

I'm so not sipping on the Kool Aid this year.


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Posted 07 February 2014 - 04:27 PM

Listen, I'm not going to entertain you with yet another board arguement so you can boost your post count some more - you've done enough of that in the past few days with different people in various threads. You're not rational - you're annoyingly and falsely optimistic. I refuse to get into it over something as silly as this.

My point here, again, is that I firmly believe the Devils should not be buyers this season. In fact, I think it'd be downright stupid to not trade several of Jagr/Zidlicky/Fayne if possible. Call up Gelinas, Larsson, and Boucher and let them play the season out. It'll be ugly, but at least it'll be progress.

And it's getting tiring seeing people reference the Devils as "just outside a spot". We need to look at trends here..not just current standings alone. Big picture stuff - does anyone here think the Devils will somehow magically find a way to get 65-70% of the points available from this point forward without something drastic like a coach change or huge shakeup trade (neither of which is likely coming)?

first, there's nothing wrong with being optimistic. If you don't like what mike contributes to the board you can simply put him on ignore.

As someone above me said, jagr will get you the best return if you trade him, and at best it's a late first round pick. Honestly id rather just be entertained for the remaining 25 games and watch a legend in a devils uniform that just throw him away for a first that has a higher chance of busting than the devils do of missing the playoffs.

The thing about the whole getting 65% of our remaining points is that the devils play so many close games that the difference between 2 points and 0 points on many nights is a goal, a few hit posts, or one bad play. We've played (and I believe lost) the most 1 goal games of any team this year, and have rarely been blown out. That alone makes me believe that yes we can go in a but of a run here after the Olympics (especially now that we're totally healthy).
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Posted 07 February 2014 - 04:28 PM

Lou has honestly screwed this team a lot more than help in the last 2 years with his godamn stubbornness 


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Posted 07 February 2014 - 04:39 PM

first, there's nothing wrong with being optimistic. If you don't like what mike contributes to the board you can simply put him on ignore.


No, there's nothing wrong with being optimistic. However, it gets annoying talking to someone who refuses to actually acknowledge the reality of the situation.

And trust me, I'm close to doing so.
 

As someone above me said, jagr will get you the best return if you trade him, and at best it's a late first round pick. Honestly id rather just be entertained for the remaining 25 games and watch a legend in a devils uniform that just throw him away for a first that has a higher chance of busting than the devils do of missing the playoffs.

The thing about the whole getting 65% of our remaining points is that the devils play so many close games that the difference between 2 points and 0 points on many nights is a goal, a few hit posts, or one bad play. We've played (and I believe lost) the most 1 goal games of any team this year, and have rarely been blown out. That alone makes me believe that yes we can go in a but of a run here after the Olympics (especially now that we're totally healthy).


The same can be said about the entire season thus far - and it's left the Devils right where they are, significantly (imo) back from the last playoff spot. I mean, there's just not enough reason for me to believe (despite my sig - letting you down here MB30) that it'll all suddenly click. I hope it does - I would love to be eating massive, ungodly amounts of crow in two months.

You can play this hypothetical situation out a million different ways - maybe the Devils don't trade Jagr, and he gets hurt and misses the rest of the season. Or maybe he completely rebels against PDB and destroys the locker room. Obviously exaggerated and unlikely scenarios, but.. you hopefully get what I'm trying to say here.

We'll have to agree to disagree - I'd rather the Devils acquire picks/prospects (regardless of the chance of the players amounting to something) than see Vets play out their contracts. Maybe you get a late 1st for Jagr, a 2nd for Zidlicky, a 3rd/4th for Fayne - maybe Lou can make a package to move up in the 1st round with these assets. It's obviously alllll hypothetical - but I'd rather see the Devils take this route.

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Posted 07 February 2014 - 04:47 PM

No, there's nothing wrong with being optimistic. However, it gets annoying talking to someone who refuses to actually acknowledge the reality of the situation.

And trust me, I'm close to doing so.


The same can be said about the entire season thus far - and it's left the Devils right where they are, significantly (imo) back from the last playoff spot. I mean, there's just not enough reason for me to believe (despite my sig - letting you down here MB30) that it'll all suddenly click. I hope it does - I would love to be eating massive, ungodly amounts of crow in two months.

You can play this hypothetical situation out a million different ways - maybe the Devils don't trade Jagr, and he gets hurt and misses the rest of the season. Or maybe he completely rebels against PDB and destroys the locker room. Obviously exaggerated and unlikely scenarios, but.. you hopefully get what I'm trying to say here.

We'll have to agree to disagree - I'd rather the Devils acquire picks/prospects (regardless of the chance of the players amounting to something) than see Vets play out their contracts. Maybe you get a late 1st for Jagr, a 2nd for Zidlicky, a 3rd/4th for Fayne - maybe Lou can make a package to move up in the 1st round with these assets. It's obviously alllll hypothetical - but I'd rather see the Devils take this route.

fair enough... Believe me if there is a plate of crow for you and others in a few weeks mike and I and others would love to serve it to you nice and hot!
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Posted 07 February 2014 - 04:57 PM

fair enough... Believe me if there is a plate of crow for you and others in a few weeks mike and I and others would love to serve it to you nice and hot!

 

Hah, sounds good to me  :cheers:


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Posted 07 February 2014 - 05:21 PM

I am tired of Lou with his remarks as a matter of fact I am tired of Lou period.


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Posted 07 February 2014 - 05:59 PM

I am tired of Lou with his remarks as a matter of fact I am tired of Lou period.

 

I said it multiple times that Lou Lamoriello is not the Lou Lamoriello of "old".  How much of today's Lou has to do with the reality of the league he now deals in can be an all day discussion because the league has changed so much compared to 10-15-20 years ago. Today, he has to weigh making moves under the cap, teams changing the way they deal because of the cap, teams importance of trading/not trading picks, terrible contracts to take on, etc, etc. 

 

I do feel, however, that Lou has gotten away from something. Some "edge". Sometimes it looks like he's lost or an inability/ability to properly judge personnel or make decisions regarding, becoming too "soft", handing out legacy contracts....things you wouldn't picture the Lou of 1990 or 1995 or 2000 to be doing. The CS trade was a heist, but it also fell into his lap. I only wish the same thing can fall into his lap in the form of a top 6 forward.


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Posted 07 February 2014 - 06:14 PM

Being just outside of a playoff spot is all the more reason to buy, because that could be the difference between being in or out. They don't have shootouts in the playoffs.


That's a great point.
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