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#341 SterioDesign

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Posted 10 February 2014 - 08:13 AM

I personally don't think this team is going to be in the playoffs.  If that's being optimistic, I'd seriously hate what being pessimistic is like.

 

I'm simply stating my case why selling isn't worth doing since we are very much in the race.

 

The games in hand thing is irrelevant.  Every team plays 82 games.  The jumping over teams thing is also irrelevant.  It only takes one win to jump over two them right now.  By the end of March, only 2 or 3 of those teams will still be contending if that.  Those teams all play each other at some point, and the logjam will break apart.


 

The Islanders suck.  The Blue Jackets are like us.  Detroit is also like us.  San Jose is the only good team in that bunch right there.

 

I'd just point out that the Sharks we're in the race last year and still traded Clowe who didnt score a goal in ages and got 2 2nd round picks and still made the playoffs. 

 

It's allllllllll a gamble, you could hold on to a guy and he could get hurt 2 days after the deadline. Or he could take a slapper and get our best player between the eyes or he could fall off a roller coaster that weekend. Nothing is sure but in our situation and for our future, its a lot more safe to bet on getting picks and go down that road.


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 08:47 AM

I'd just point out that the Sharks we're in the race last year and still traded Clowe who didnt score a goal in ages and got 2 2nd round picks and still made the playoffs. 

 

 

 

Context: I think Clowe is a lot more important to this team than he was to that Sharks team.


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 08:54 AM

Context: I think Clowe is a lot more important to this team than he was to that Sharks team.

 

my point is simply that it's not impossible that a team is in the race and still sell, you have to look at all the options and whats best for you short term and long term. Not as black and white like Brown Buddy is saying.


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 09:00 AM

I'm not opposed to selling for the right price, but IMO what we are likely to get back for jagr isn't going to be worth it. I mean at best it's a late first. I just went through the last 6 drafts and the only guy who's made any sort of an impact from the 25-30 pick range is Kyle palmeiri. So one guy out of 30 in the past 6 years has become an legit nhler.

Of course there is still time for some guys to develop but are we really waiting 5 years for a prospect to maybe develop into an nhl player, personally if rather just hang onto jagr and enjoy watching him play the rest of the way. Unless of course he asks to be moved.

Zidlicky is another story because I want Larsson to play so id be willing to move zid to make room for him.

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Posted 10 February 2014 - 09:04 AM

I'm not opposed to selling for the right price, but IMO what we are likely to get back for jagr or zidlicky isn't going to be worth it. I mean at best it's a late first. I just went through the last 6 drafts and the only guy who's made any sort of an impact from the 25-30 pick range is Kyle palmeiri. So one guy out of 30 in the past 6 years has become an Lego nhler.

Of course there is still time for some guys to develop but are we really waiting 5 years for a prospect to maybe develop into an nhl player, personally if rather just hang onto jagr and enjoy watching him play the rest of the way. Unless of course he asks I be moved.

Zidlicky is another story because I want Larsson to play so is be willing to move zid to make room for him.

 

My thoughts exactly.  If we deal Jagr, we are sunk for this year.  Moving him is a surrender on this season.  I would prefer to keep Jagr and make a push for the playoffs.  Hopefully we get in.   I would love to resign Jagr regardless of how this season ends.  I hope he wants to come back...


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 09:07 AM

my point is simply that it's not impossible that a team is in the race and still sell, you have to look at all the options and whats best for you short term and long term. Not as black and white like Brown Buddy is saying.

 

I think they could def sell a defenseman and not wave the white flag.  I also think they could do a bodies-for-bodies move that could help them and another team.  But like I said, if the Devils don't have at least 67 points by the deadline, I think Lou has to make some tough sell moves that may have a bit of a "surrender" feel to them.   


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 09:08 AM

I'm not opposed to selling for the right price, but IMO what we are likely to get back for jagr or zidlicky isn't going to be worth it. I mean at best it's a late first. I just went through the last 6 drafts and the only guy who's made any sort of an impact from the 25-30 pick range is Kyle palmeiri. So one guy out of 30 in the past 6 years has become an Lego nhler.

 

 

You can't add the past two drafts into that, not enough time has passed for those kids. Go back another year and you have John Carlson and Tyler Ennis. Another and you've got Brendan Smith and David Perron.


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 09:11 AM

You never know. You can deal Jagr to a team who could get upset and the next thing you know that pick could move in the high teens or low 20s - you never know.

 

I still come from the school that if you can make the playoffs, you try to do it.  I think we can get a first for Zid from someone looking for puck-mover. If we can get one first, I'd be fine with that going with this moving forward if they bump Larsson and possibly Gelinas into the lineup.

 

 

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Posted 10 February 2014 - 09:12 AM

You can't add the past two drafts into that, not enough time has passed for those kids. Go back another year and you have John Carlson and Tyler Ennis. Another and you've got Brendan Smith and David Perron.

that's part of my point- if we even do get lucky and draft a guy who turns into an nhl player (which is unlikely in and of itself), odds are it will be at least 5 or 6 years from now. I certainly hope Lou finds a way to answer our scoring problems before that.
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Posted 10 February 2014 - 12:48 PM

There's no pressing reason or rationale for keeping Jagr and Zidlicky considering its a sellers market where the trade deadline gets you a solid return for top notch playoff veterans with little contract commitment as rentals.

You can even resign them again in the offseason if you are so inclined although I would prefer spending money on youth and speed.
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Posted 10 February 2014 - 01:41 PM

There's no pressing reason or rationale for keeping Jagr and Zidlicky considering its a sellers market where the trade deadline gets you a solid return for top notch playoff veterans with little contract commitment as rentals.

You can even resign them again in the offseason if you are so inclined although I would prefer spending money on youth and speed.

 

With all those good teams in the West and that logjam to come out of the conference, it's going to be a great Spring out there. The Devils could potentially have an impact and/or say in that if any of those teams come calling in a few weeks (and they will). The depth that the Devils could offer those teams could bring back assets better then we think (or would normally expect), especially if some GM/ownership group thinks they are *that* close to a Cup or home ice, etc.

 

The Devils are in an ideal spot to deal and collect assets. That's not even mentioning dealing with any East teams. Sure it'll hurt to sell and not make the Playoffs, but in the long run i truly believe this is the best course of action. I'll take a step back if it means moving forward. 


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 01:55 PM

There's no pressing reason or rationale for keeping Jagr and Zidlicky considering its a sellers market where the trade deadline gets you a solid return for top notch playoff veterans with little contract commitment as rentals.

You can even resign them again in the offseason if you are so inclined although I would prefer spending money on youth and speed.

 

You can't spend money on youth and speed.  That's not how free agency works.

 

I think I'm with HOI that I'd try to move Zidlicky but I would keep Jagr.


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 02:22 PM

I would prefer spending money on youth and speed.

 

 

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Posted 10 February 2014 - 02:29 PM

Like I said before the only way id move jagr is if he asks to be moved or if we get a very good return on him, ie not just a draft pick.

I'll mention Brandon pirri not necessarily because he's the right fit here or would be able to be had for jagr, but that's the type of return id want if I was going to move jagr- a young forward who is or just about is nhl ready.

Zidlicky I'm fine getting a pick for because IMO its a positive just to clear some space on the blue line, but If we move jagr to a contender Id rather a closer, more sure prospect than a late first round pick. Of course I'm not familiar with many prospects so idk if there's even a fit anywhere like that.

Ps I know the hawks would have no interest in jagr but pirri is just my example.

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Posted 10 February 2014 - 02:41 PM

Everytime you do that, you're only telling part of the story. Stop ignoring all of the other teams that are a part of this, or anything else that doesn't paint as rosy of a picture as you'd like. The % to get in is 33 for a reason, and the number of teams involved and the fact that other teams do have games ahead of them play a factor in that percentage.

We'll know by the deadline what the Devils should do. Originally I said the Devils needed to go 4-1-1 in the six games before the trade deadline. So far they're 1-1 in those games. I'll back off a little on that prediction...maybe 3-1-0 or 2-0-2 (4-2-0 or 3-1-2) would be OK. But I'm not sure how much of a buying endorsement I can give them if they don't come away with at least 6 points over the next four games.

I've said the Devils need to go 12-6-6 to have a good shot to get in (basically repeat what they did in the last 25 games before the loss against the Caps). Now it's 12-5-6 to close out the season.

If they go 3-1-0 in the next four, that's 9-4-6 to close out the year to get to 91 points. It's 10-5-4 if they go 2-0-2. Based on the Devils' record in Cory's last 14 starts (7-3-4), that's doable, but it's all predicated on Cory continuing to provide the best puck-stopping in the league, and either Marty or whoever will back up Cory approximating what Cory's doing when he has to be rested (I'm guessing at this point, PDB might just start Cory every game until he has the kind of game that shows he's temporarily spent). I do believe that the scoring will get better, but I don't know by how much.

2-2-0 in their next 4 pre deadline, that means 10-3-6, 11-4-4, or 12-5-2 to close out for 91. That also means they would have gone 6-6-3 in the 15 games leading up to the deadline. There has to be a top-end somewhere, and I can't make a case for the Devils doing any better some combo that gives them 24 points over the season's final 19 games. I hate to bail on a potential playoff berth, especially with Cory's situation being what it is, but if the Devils aren't in reasonable position to get to 91 points, with 24 points in 19 games after the deadline being the most I can ask for, then they should sell.


I've already been through this. Not all of those teams are gonna stay in contention. It only takes one win right now to jump over two teams. Not all of these teams will finish with 90+ points.
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Posted 10 February 2014 - 02:44 PM

I'd just point out that the Sharks we're in the race last year and still traded Clowe who didnt score a goal in ages and got 2 2nd round picks and still made the playoffs.

It's allllllllll a gamble, you could hold on to a guy and he could get hurt 2 days after the deadline. Or he could take a slapper and get our best player between the eyes or he could fall off a roller coaster that weekend. Nothing is sure but in our situation and for our future, its a lot more safe to bet on getting picks and go down that road.


They traded Clowe for the same reason we need to trade a d man. They had a plethora of forwards.

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Posted 10 February 2014 - 02:47 PM

They traded Clowe for the same reason we need to trade a d man. They had a plethora of forwards.

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they also traded him cause their negociations we're not going anywhere and they knew he could not be retained for what he wanted


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 03:14 PM

they also traded him cause their negociations we're not going anywhere and they knew he could not be retained for what he wanted


They also didn't need him. So of course they were gonna trade him.
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Posted 10 February 2014 - 05:00 PM

Get rid of Jagr for literally anything. I honestly think the team will be better without him.


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 05:29 PM

They also didn't need him. So of course they were gonna trade him.

 

lol okep im giving up. Your over optimistic/black and white approach refusing to see the forest for the trees has no match in the real world. enjoy.


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