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#361 MadDog2020

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Posted 10 February 2014 - 05:33 PM

If Mike wants to believe we'll make the playoffs, let him believe it. I pray he's right, but I'm sure he'll admit he was wrong if he turns out to be. Unfortunately, I agree with those of you who think we won't make it.


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 05:48 PM

You can't spend money on youth and speed. That's not how free agency works.

I think I'm with HOI that I'd try to move Zidlicky but I would keep Jagr.

No we need to trade for it which is why we need to accumulate assets. And Jagr appears to be asking out regardless of whether we need his service at forward.

Lou will have little choice but to trade this offseason unless he wants to overpay a Vanek or Stastny.

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Posted 10 February 2014 - 05:57 PM

If Mike wants to believe we'll make the playoffs, let him believe it. I pray he's right, but I'm sure he'll admit he was wrong if he turns out to be. Unfortunately, I agree with those of you who think we won't make it.

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Posted 10 February 2014 - 06:19 PM

When has jagr asked for a trade? Curious, source? Cause I doubt it.

No we need to trade for it which is why we need to accumulate assets. And Jagr appears to be asking out regardless of whether we need his service at forward.

Lou will have little choice but to trade this offseason unless he wants to overpay a Vanek or Stastny.


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 06:41 PM

lol okep im giving up. Your over optimistic/black and white approach refusing to see the forest for the trees has no match in the real world. enjoy.


Lol I never said I think we will make the playoffs.

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If Mike wants to believe we'll make the playoffs, let him believe it. I pray he's right, but I'm sure he'll admit he was wrong if he turns out to be. Unfortunately, I agree with those of you who think we won't make it.


I actually did say I don't think we will make it.

This is about if Lou should be sellers or buyers.

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When has jagr asked for a trade? Curious, source? Cause I doubt it.


Jagr has never said he wants to be traded. He actually said the opposite.

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Posted 10 February 2014 - 08:11 PM

Said " cause I doubt it" due to the fact no one else has ever said it nor him. I personally feel he doesn't wanna be ran around the country anymore, for two different teams a season.

Lol I never said I think we will make the playoffs.

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I actually did say I don't think we will make it.

This is about if Lou should be sellers or buyers.

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Jagr has never said he wants to be traded. He actually said the opposite.

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Posted 10 February 2014 - 08:33 PM

Lol I never said I think we will make the playoffs.

 

 

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Posted 10 February 2014 - 08:37 PM

Lol I never said I think we will make the playoffs.

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I actually did say I don't think we will make it.

This is about if Lou should be sellers or buyers.

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Posted 10 February 2014 - 08:52 PM

Lol I never said I think we will make the playoffs.

 

 

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Posted 10 February 2014 - 09:35 PM

Show me one post I said we were gonna make the playoffs.

 

The entire time I've been saying we shouldn't be sellers because we are in a good position to make the playoffs.  There is no backtracking whatsoever.


Do you not believe in your own perpetual optimism? 

 

3 points out with 23 games to go means we have a good chance at making the playoffs.  Period.


And let the backtracking begin.

 

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Not backtracking at all.  I just never once said we are destined for the playoffs.  The only thing I've ever said was that we have a good chance to make the playoffs.


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 09:44 PM

Show me one post I said we were gonna make the playoffs.

 

The entire time I've been saying we shouldn't be sellers because we are in a good position to make the playoffs.  There is no backtracking whatsoever.


 

3 points out with 23 games to go means we have a good chance at making the playoffs.  Period.


 

Not backtracking at all.  I just never once said we are destined for the playoffs.  The only thing I've ever said was that we have a good chance to make the playoffs.

 

Then it should be no problem for you to say these words: "We will make the playoffs".  


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 09:48 PM

Then it should be no problem for you to say these words: "We will make the playoffs".

 

I do have a problem with saying that because I'm not sure if this team will make the playoffs.

 

What I do know is that we're close, and Lou should act accordingly.  He would send a horrible message to the fanbase if he just gave up, and gave Jagr away.  YOU PEOPLE ARE UNWILLING TO ACCEPT THE FACT NO OTHER GM WOULD EVER SELL IF THEY WERE IN OUR POSITION.


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 10:11 PM

I do have a problem with saying that because I'm not sure if this team will make the playoffs.

 

What I do know is that we're close, and Lou should act accordingly.  He would send a horrible message to the fanbase if he just gave up, and gave Jagr away.  YOU PEOPLE ARE UNWILLING TO ACCEPT THE FACT NO OTHER GM WOULD EVER SELL IF THEY WERE IN OUR POSITION.

 

The thing you're missing is it's ok to say they'll make the playoffs and support it with what you've been saying ad nauseam. That makes a lot more sense then stopping just short like you are doing. That opens you up for the criticism you receive. Someone as positive in nature such as yourself has a difficult time committing to one side and THEN lending your support to it. 

 

This team is unique in it's position. They have a chance to obtain assets at the cost of expiring contracts and aging vets who could be valuable depth on better teams.

 

My fear is Lamoriello thinks this team is better then they are. They have to sustain and improve after the break. They have to score more, they have to win SO's they have to leapfrog teams....i mean this is not an ideal situation. Besides, this is not a team that's going to win a round or go deep without offensive support via trade and it's going to take more then a Mike Cammalieri. I certainly do not want any asset burned on a player like that who, himself, is not the answer for a month of service. This team is in a situation where it has to look ahead because when a 42 year old on a one year deal is your best player....what's that say about next year when he's gone?


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 10:34 PM

The thing you're missing is it's ok to say they'll make the playoffs and support it with what you've been saying ad nauseam. That makes a lot more sense then stopping just short like you are doing. That opens you up for the criticism you receive. Someone as positive in nature such as yourself has a difficult time committing to one side and THEN lending your support to it. 

 

This team is unique in it's position. They have a chance to obtain assets at the cost of expiring contracts and aging vets who could be valuable depth on better teams.

 

My fear is Lamoriello thinks this team is better then they are. They have to sustain and improve after the break. They have to score more, they have to win SO's they have to leapfrog teams....i mean this is not an ideal situation. Besides, this is not a team that's going to win a round or go deep without offensive support via trade and it's going to take more then a Mike Cammalieri. I certainly do not want any asset burned on a player like that who, himself, is not the answer for a month of service. This team is in a situation where it has to look ahead because when a 42 year old on a one year deal is your best player....what's that say about next year when he's gone?

 

I'm not understanding your first paragraph.  I don't want to say they will make the playoffs, because I have no idea if they will.  I'm not stopping short of anything.  I'm not gonna state an opinion that I don't have.  The opinion I do have is that I think they should be buyers.  That's the only opinion I've shared in this thread.

 

We're not in that unique of a situation because just about every team has been or is in the same situation.

 

What is not ideal about our situation exactly?  We clearly have offensive problems.  That's why you make a trade or two to improve that problem.  Is it a gamble?  Sure it is.  If this wasn't debatable, we wouldn't be debating it.  Some of you don't want Lou to make that gamble, and I'm fine with that.  It is of my opinion that we do have the prospects to spare.  We have a plethora of defense prospects that teams would kill to have.  Like I said, it's unrealistic to expect all of them to be on the Devils.  Why not trade one of them for a proven scorer to help us get into the playoffs?  I understand the gamble, but it's definitely worth taking.

 

I also don't think you guys understand that the leap frogging of multiple teams and games in hand don't come into effect until much later into the season.  With 23 games left, you don't worry about that stuff.  With 5 games left, yes, but not 23.

 

Here's why the games in hand thing and leap frogging of teams thing isn't important RIGHT NOW.

 

1. It's unrealistic to expect all of the teams to finish with 90+ points.  13 teams in the conference getting to 90 points is pretty much impossible,  So if the Devils finish with the 92-93 points required, it won't matter in the end.

 

2. With all the teams so tightly packed the way they are, the standings are always gonna be fluctuating and changing.  For example, if the Devils win one game with Ottawa, Washington, and Carolina losing, the Devils just leap frogged 3 teams in basically one game.  The Devils would be tied with Ottawa, Washington, and Columbus in points, but the Devils would own the tie breaker (ROW) against Ottawa and Washington.

 

3. It's gonna take more than 64 points to make the playoffs regardless.  Every single team still needs to win more games in order to make the playoffs.


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 10:54 PM

When has jagr asked for a trade? Curious, source? Cause I doubt it.

 

He hasn't asked for it publicly of course.  Geez.  He wants a new contract but sees the Devils won't give him one.  He wants to go try and win a Cup and in the process boost his value for getting another 1 yr deal somewhere.  I've heard from a few people he's let Lou know he would not mind a trade to a contender.

 

He's also clearly soured on Deboer, that he's been pretty careful with on choosing his words, but he pretty much came out and let his dissatisfaction be known the last few weeks, and this is on top some of his whining the previous month.


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 11:49 PM

He hasn't asked for it publicly of course.  Geez.  He wants a new contract but sees the Devils won't give him one.  He wants to go try and win a Cup and in the process boost his value for getting another 1 yr deal somewhere.  I've heard from a few people he's let Lou know he would not mind a trade to a contender.

 

He's also clearly soured on Deboer, that he's been pretty careful with on choosing his words, but he pretty much came out and let his dissatisfaction be known the last few weeks, and this is on top some of his whining the previous month.

 

He hasn't made it 100% clear if he's to play this next year.  If I had to guess, I'd say it's a good bet he'll play next year.  Also, you have no idea if the Devils won't give him one.  And if you read that somewhere, please show a source.  He also said he wouldn't ask for a trade this year.  I'm not trying to discredit you, but please provide a source.

 

He's not clearly soured on Deboer.  He said it made no sense for him and Zajac to be split up.  He questioned the move, and that's all he did.  What other dissatisfaction has he shown exactly?  What whining?  We are talking about Jagr, right?


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Posted 11 February 2014 - 05:53 AM

He hasn't made it 100% clear if he's to play this next year. If I had to guess, I'd say it's a good bet he'll play next year. Also, you have no idea if the Devils won't give him one. And if you read that somewhere, please show a source. He also said he wouldn't ask for a trade this year. I'm not trying to discredit you, but please provide a source.

He's not clearly soured on Deboer. He said it made no sense for him and Zajac to be split up. He questioned the move, and that's all he did. What other dissatisfaction has he shown exactly? What whining? We are talking about Jagr, right?


Sorry Mike I can't take you seriously anymore if you have to keep doing this.
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Posted 11 February 2014 - 07:21 AM

I'm not understanding your first paragraph.  I don't want to say they will make the playoffs, because I have no idea if they will.  I'm not stopping short of anything.  I'm not gonna state an opinion that I don't have.  The opinion I do have is that I think they should be buyers.  That's the only opinion I've shared in this thread.

 

We're not in that unique of a situation because just about every team has been or is in the same situation.

 

What is not ideal about our situation exactly?  We clearly have offensive problems.  That's why you make a trade or two to improve that problem.  Is it a gamble?  Sure it is.  If this wasn't debatable, we wouldn't be debating it.  Some of you don't want Lou to make that gamble, and I'm fine with that.  It is of my opinion that we do have the prospects to spare.  We have a plethora of defense prospects that teams would kill to have.  Like I said, it's unrealistic to expect all of them to be on the Devils.  Why not trade one of them for a proven scorer to help us get into the playoffs?  I understand the gamble, but it's definitely worth taking.

 

I also don't think you guys understand that the leap frogging of multiple teams and games in hand don't come into effect until much later into the season.  With 23 games left, you don't worry about that stuff.  With 5 games left, yes, but not 23.

 

Here's why the games in hand thing and leap frogging of teams thing isn't important RIGHT NOW.

 

1. It's unrealistic to expect all of the teams to finish with 90+ points.  13 teams in the conference getting to 90 points is pretty much impossible,  So if the Devils finish with the 92-93 points required, it won't matter in the end.

 

2. With all the teams so tightly packed the way they are, the standings are always gonna be fluctuating and changing.  For example, if the Devils win one game with Ottawa, Washington, and Carolina losing, the Devils just leap frogged 3 teams in basically one game.  The Devils would be tied with Ottawa, Washington, and Columbus in points, but the Devils would own the tie breaker (ROW) against Ottawa and Washington.

 

3. It's gonna take more than 64 points to make the playoffs regardless.  Every single team still needs to win more games in order to make the playoffs.

 

The Captain Obvious sh!t is bound to get on people's nerves as much as the playing all sides (or sure seeming to), borderline post-whoring.  Everyone who's been following the Devils and NHL for a while knows about #1, #2, and #3.  Do you really think saying "It's gonna take more than 64 points to make the playoffs" or "Everyone plays 82 games" are some kind of profound proclamations that no one can see except for you?

 

Make a trade or two to improve the [offensive] problem?  Well, yeah, duh, of course we'd all like that.  Who specifically?  For what?  How high of a price should Lou be willing to pay?  Are you bringing in a guy signed beyond next season?  What's he making?  Is he a guy who might be more of a reclamation type than a more "sure" thing?  It's easy to just say "Well, just make a trade or two", but it's not that simple, especially for a team that is not really in the position to give away prospects.     

 

I've pointed out why I'm relatively optimistic (today, anyway)...the Devils' record with Cory in net in his last 14 starts, which is good from a point% standpoint despite them giving him minimal goal support, and the fact that they only really have to match what they did over the recent 25-game stretch (which is possible provided Cory doesn't falter).  But a lot of my current optimism is riding on what happens before the deadline.  If they go 1-2-1 or something like that in the next four, I don't know how anyone can really believe in them anymore.   

 

Anyway, at this point, it's probably too early to argue the merits of buying or selling.  I think I outlined it fairly well in my prior post...it all really depends on what the Devils do in their next four games.  Six or more points, buy if the prices aren't too prohibitive (no prospects for meh rentals like Cammalleri).  5 or less, sell and hope you can get a team that thinks it has a real shot to make a Cup run with one or two missing pieces to overpay for someone...but I'm not just giving away a guy like Jagr for a 4th-round pick either. 


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Posted 11 February 2014 - 07:56 AM

Sorry Mike I can't take you seriously anymore if you have to keep doing this.

 

Keep doing what?  Did Jagr ever say those things? 

 

The Captain Obvious sh!t is bound to get on people's nerves as much as the playing all sides (or sure seeming to), borderline post-whoring.  Everyone who's been following the Devils and NHL for a while knows about #1, #2, and #3.  Do you really think saying "It's gonna take more than 64 points to make the playoffs" or "Everyone plays 82 games" are some kind of profound proclamations that no one can see except for you?

 

Make a trade or two to improve the [offensive] problem?  Well, yeah, duh, of course we'd all like that.  Who specifically?  For what?  How high of a price should Lou be willing to pay?  Are you bringing in a guy signed beyond next season?  What's he making?  Is he a guy who might be more of a reclamation type than a more "sure" thing?  It's easy to just say "Well, just make a trade or two", but it's not that simple, especially for a team that is not really in the position to give away prospects.     

 

I've pointed out why I'm relatively optimistic (today, anyway)...the Devils' record with Cory in net in his last 14 starts, which is good from a point% standpoint despite them giving him minimal goal support, and the fact that they only really have to match what they did over the recent 25-game stretch (which is possible provided Cory doesn't falter).  But a lot of my current optimism is riding on what happens before the deadline.  If they go 1-2-1 or something like that in the next four, I don't know how anyone can really believe in them anymore.   

 

Anyway, at this point, it's probably too early to argue the merits of buying or selling.  I think I outlined it fairly well in my prior post...it all really depends on what the Devils do in their next four games.  Six or more points, buy if the prices aren't too prohibitive (no prospects for meh rentals like Cammalleri).  5 or less, sell and hope you can get a team that thinks it has a real shot to make a Cup run with one or two missing pieces to overpay for someone...but I'm not just giving away a guy like Jagr for a 4th-round pick either. 

 

Look I apologize for insulting people's intelligence.  The problem is, you're doing the same thing by assuming I don't realize we have to jump over teams and that they have some games in hand.

 

I'm willing to trade one of our great defensive prospects for a scorer.  When you have the gold mine of defensive prospects like we do, you can spare one of them if it means getting that proven scorer we need.  If Evander Kane is available like the rumors say, I'd definitely trade Merrill+ for him.  That's just one example.  I would NOT trade any of them for a guy like Cammy or Stewart.  I would for Vanek since he's a star scorer sans Severson and Larsson.  One of Santini, Gelinas, or Merrill can be had for Vanek.

 

I'm confident they can pull this off.  Sure it sounds crazy to have any confidence since they've won 3 games in a row only once this season, but I look back at the season, and I know that they had several opportunities.  A lot of the of the 35 games they didn't win could easily have been wins.  I feel this team deserves more wins than they currently have.  On the other hand, I can think of only a couple of wins they have they didn't really deserve.  BTW, I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO READ THIS PARAGRAPH AS ME SAYING I'M BEING OPTIMISTIC.  SAYING THAT I'M CONFIDENT THEY CAN PULL THIS OFF IS NOT THE SAME AS SAYING THEY WILL MAKE THE PLAYOFFS.

 

It's definitely too early to sell which is what I've been trying to say.  It's never too early to buy though.  And with our current positioning, we need to get on that ASAP.  That's all I've been trying to say in this entire debate.  We're 3 points out.  That's it.  There's no reason to sell when you're 3 points out.


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Posted 11 February 2014 - 07:57 AM

 

 

3. It's gonna take more than 64 points to make the playoffs regardless.  Every single team still needs to win more games in order to make the playoffs.

 

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