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Posted 26 April 2014 - 08:29 PM

Me too '7'.  Didn't really see that 6th coming either, but sh!t happens, especially to a team that's been pretty lucky so far.  At least the game's still winnable.

 

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It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 08:36 PM

fvcking Granderson.  Jesus Christ.


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Even when Marty comes back maybe Larry should put Clemmensen to be on the goal during the shootouts.
Can the coach do that ? Switch the goalies 5 seconds to go in overtime?
- Most priceless quote ever posted on a message board.

Martin Brodeur: THE MOST ALL-TIME WINS!, 12 straight seasons of 30+ wins, 3 Stanley Cups, 4 Vezina Trophies, and zero respect from too many so-called Devils "fans" who are either too young or too bandwagon to remember the much darker days of Sean Burke, Craig Billington, Bob Sauve, Alain Chevrier, and the talented but overwhelmed Chico Resch, among many others.

It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 09:21 PM

1 hit since the 3rd inning. Of course.
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Posted 26 April 2014 - 09:33 PM

And there it is. Hey look a catcher who can homeruns!
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Posted 26 April 2014 - 09:40 PM

So guess Dice-K's closing by early next week lol


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Posted 26 April 2014 - 09:50 PM

Not that the Mets would've won anyway, but you can't have these clown umps invent new strike zones because they want to get out of town. They have to be fair to the Mets in the bottom of the 10th, simple as that.

 

David Wright has to hit a god damn home run already


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Posted 27 April 2014 - 06:15 AM

Nimmo is really off to a terrific start for St. Lucie: 1.019 OPS, 22 walks to 19 strikeouts, 5-for-7 in stolen bases. He got off to a hot start in 2013 too before tapering off, so word of caution about the sample size, but really couldn't ask for a better first month.


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Posted 27 April 2014 - 06:39 AM

One HR and two doubles for David Wright so far, through 24 GP.

 

It's still early and it's a small sample, but the only number that has been good for him so far is his RBI total (14).  Everything else is pretty bad (and is being made worse by this recent slump):  only seven walks (against 26 K), .330 OB%, .327 SLG% (?!), .657 OB+SLG.  Hard to fathom that Wright is going to finish the season with 14 doubles and 7 dingers though...those numbers will improve, but it all goes back to the same thing...as long as the Mets treat Wright like he's some kind of cornerstone player (and his contract is as high as the Mets are willing to go), they're never going to be an upper-half offensive team.  Wright being their best hitter is not a good thing. 

 

re:  Nimmo, saw that he's off to a good start. St. Lucie is a long way from NY though...wish he was closer.

 

Updated Vegas numbers for the "big three":

 

deGrom (last two starts):  10 IP, 13 H, 5 ER, 0 HR, 5 BB, 8 K

Montero (last two starts):  10 IP, 12 H, 7 ER, 2 HR, 5 BB, 9 K

Syndergaard (last two starts):  9 IP, 12 H, 7 ER, 2 HR, 5 BB, 9 K

 

Speaking of Vegas...they're 18-5, and though they're currently sixth in ERA, their gaudy W-L record is more based on offense...167 RS, 30 more than the next-highest team.  Unfortunately, there isn't really anyone currently on that roster that screams "Get him up here, this guy will be a huge help!"  For one, for a team that doesn't score much, the Mets are pretty set at most positions.  Granderson's contract ensures that he's not getting benched anytime soon.  EY is doing just enough to stay in the lineup (in the Mets' eyes, anyway).  Wright, Murphy, and d'Arnaud are locks.  Duda is going to get an extended look, and though I'm clearly not a Duda guy, in fairness to him, some of his numbers are pretty good.  Lagares will be back in the lineup before too much longer, and Chris Young is making a decent chunk of change on team that doesn't spend money, so he's going to play.  The only real spot open is SS, and there's no one at Vegas who can help.  Flores isn't really hitting and can't field the position anyway.  Eric Campbell (27 years old) is hitting and has played two games at short this season...the only two games of his pro career there (he's played more games at 1B than anywhere else, though he's played a number of positions in the minors). 

 

Basically, and ironically, there's not much opportunity for anyone to come up and steal a job right now...unfortunately, the Vegas team is loaded with a lot of older hitters who aren't prospects anyway.


Edited by Colorado Rockies 1976, 27 April 2014 - 07:46 AM.

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Even when Marty comes back maybe Larry should put Clemmensen to be on the goal during the shootouts.
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It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

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Posted 27 April 2014 - 12:38 PM

Man are we looking like absolute fool for not giving Nelson Cruz a 1 year deal and going for Chris Young


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Posted 27 April 2014 - 01:30 PM

Mets can't get a break today. Duda doubled but it went into the crowd and cost them a run; they couldn't score with a runner on 3rd and no out; EY bounced a ball up the middle that hit the mound which prevented it from being a 2-run single.

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Posted 27 April 2014 - 01:50 PM

Wright finally gets the extra base hit...good to be up 4-0 now since we're getting close to the Gee meltdown inning


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Posted 27 April 2014 - 03:21 PM

Nice to see the Mets take 2 of 3. Absolutely cannot have asked for a better start given the schedule.
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Posted 27 April 2014 - 05:16 PM

Nice last few starts for Gee...just 2 ER in 21 IP.  Only 12 H and 6 BB in that time. 

 

Yeah, is there a Met fan alive that wouldn't have signed up for 14-11 to start the season, given the schedule?  And it's not like everything hasn't gone the way we thought it would...the starting pitching has been good overall (we thought it would be), the offense has been pretty weak (they've managed to score a decent amount of runs for a team that doesn't do one thing well at the plate), and the bullpen has been better lately, but spotty in general. 

 

And David Wright has four extra-base hits through 24 GP.  Slugging .333, which is pretty awful (noted power hitters Quintanilla and Murphy are at .333 and .340, respectively).  Glad the Mets have overcome the lousy individual (and team) offensive performances to date. 


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It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

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Posted 27 April 2014 - 10:05 PM

Nice last few starts for Gee...just 2 ER in 21 IP.  Only 12 H and 6 BB in that time. 

 

Yeah, is there a Met fan alive that wouldn't have signed up for 14-11 to start the season, given the schedule?  And it's not like everything hasn't gone the way we thought it would...the starting pitching has been good overall (we thought it would be), the offense has been pretty weak (they've managed to score a decent amount of runs for a team that doesn't do one thing well at the plate), and the bullpen has been better lately, but spotty in general. 

 

And David Wright has four extra-base hits through 24 GP.  Slugging .333, which is pretty awful (noted power hitters Quintanilla and Murphy are at .333 and .340, respectively).  Glad the Mets have overcome the lousy individual (and team) offensive performances to date. 

 

We all knew the strikeouts would be sky high, but I thought combined you could pencil Wright + Granderson in for 50 home runs this year. 25 from each was not unreasonable...or 27-23...some combination. The fact that they have a combined 2 through 25 games and this team is three OVER .500 is astounding.


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Posted 28 April 2014 - 06:01 AM

Yeah, it's kind of funny...none of the numbers (except the starting pitching, really) point to the Mets deserving to be three games over .500.  If you looked at the offensive output of most the players, you'd probably assume three UNDER at best.

 

If you look at it, Passive has really dodged a bullet so far...his big offseason moves (with the exception of Colon), which all had serious downside potential, have not only not really paid off, but have pretty much been worst-case.  Granderson is a trainwreck, and CYoung (in a small sample) is looking like what most fans were expecting (not much).  Take out Colon's one awful start, and he's got a 2.33 ERA in the other four starts.  Four QS in five games...can't argue the guy hasn't done a pretty good job overall.  I'll take 3 ER or less in four out of five starts from him. 

 

Wright has gone through power slumps before, but I've got to think he'll put up at least 30 2B and 20 HR (with a few triples) if he plays in 155+ games.  At least he's driven in runs.   

 

 

EDIT:  At first glance, the Met team offense looks pretty bad:

25 GP, 100 RS, .218 BA, .296 OB%, .318 SLG%, .614 OB+SLG

 

But here's the NL averages to date:

25 GP, 101 RS, .248 BA, .308 OB%, .380 SLG%, .689 OB+SLG 

 

Even though they're below-average in a number of areas (including dead-last in SLG% in the majors), they're actually 7th in RPG in the NL (4.00).  The only NL team that's really doing much offensively is (surprise!) Colorado, and their numbers are inflating the league averages. 


Edited by Colorado Rockies 1976, 28 April 2014 - 06:29 AM.

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Even when Marty comes back maybe Larry should put Clemmensen to be on the goal during the shootouts.
Can the coach do that ? Switch the goalies 5 seconds to go in overtime?
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Martin Brodeur: THE MOST ALL-TIME WINS!, 12 straight seasons of 30+ wins, 3 Stanley Cups, 4 Vezina Trophies, and zero respect from too many so-called Devils "fans" who are either too young or too bandwagon to remember the much darker days of Sean Burke, Craig Billington, Bob Sauve, Alain Chevrier, and the talented but overwhelmed Chico Resch, among many others.

It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 07:56 AM

Offensive is down a very slight tick but the Mets' offense has still been bad relative to league average. wRC+ adjusts for parks/leagues and that puts the Mets at 29th in MLB with a 22% below average offense. The Padres at 25% below are the worst.

 

Gee was terrific yesterday but I still pause with him. The defensive-independent numbers just aren't that great. Including 2013 with his start to 2014, he's got a solid 3.49 ERA, which is basically league average after you adjust for the NL and Citi Field, but a 4.06 FIP, 4.10 xFIP, and 4.11 SIERA, all of which are significantly below average. Maybe he'll prove to be an outlier/exception who outperforms his defensive-independent numbers but I'm not ready to go there yet based on that 1+ year sample. The numbers aren't exactly trending in the right direction, either: his K/BB is trending down, contact rate up, velocity down after peaking in 2012, and the homeruns in 2013 and 2014 are up compared to 2012 and his overall career.

 

K/BB

2012: 3.34

2013: 3.02

2014: 2.08

 

Contact Percentage

2012: 76.8%

2013: 80.7%
2014: 85.9%

 

Average 4-Seam Fastball Velocity (BrooksBaseball.net Data)

2012: 91.26

2013: 90.19

2014: 89.73

 

HR/9

2012: 0.98

2013: 1.09

2014: 1.11


Edited by nmigliore, 28 April 2014 - 08:20 AM.

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 08:02 AM

All the numbers point to the Mets being bad offensively, both traditional and sabes.  The one thing they've managed to do is score a decent amount of runs for how bad they are (which one can't help but wonder how long they'll manage that feat if things don't change soon).


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[Mark Messier]: A big, bald attention whore with a stupid Easter Island-lookin face. - from who else? DaneykoIsGod!

Even when Marty comes back maybe Larry should put Clemmensen to be on the goal during the shootouts.
Can the coach do that ? Switch the goalies 5 seconds to go in overtime?
- Most priceless quote ever posted on a message board.

Martin Brodeur: THE MOST ALL-TIME WINS!, 12 straight seasons of 30+ wins, 3 Stanley Cups, 4 Vezina Trophies, and zero respect from too many so-called Devils "fans" who are either too young or too bandwagon to remember the much darker days of Sean Burke, Craig Billington, Bob Sauve, Alain Chevrier, and the talented but overwhelmed Chico Resch, among many others.

It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 03:52 PM

Gee since last May 30 of last season:

 

28 starts

 

190 IP, 167 H, 58 ER, 21 HR, 43 BB, 132 K, 2.75 ERA, 12-6 record (team went 16-12 in his starts)

 

He's been pretty consistent in that time frame...he's only given up more than 3 ER in 9 of those starts, and only 5 ER twice.

 

Not to mention the sample sizes you're presenting aren't exactly equal:  2012 consists of 17 starts, 2013 consists of 33 starts, and 2014 isn't even into May yet (6 starts).  And as we know, in 2013 he was different pitcher prior to May 30 then he was from May 30 on.  I think you've got to give it at least until mid-season to start trying to make any declarations based on the numbers you've presented.  Last season, his velocity was down early, and I'll be the first to admit I was deeply concerned about him when he was 2-6 with a 6.34 ERA, and was looking every bit as bad as those numbers would suggest.  I'm not saying he's now going to rattle off several good seasons in a row (really hard to do that with ANY pitchers these days it seems), but that 28-start period I've referenced is pretty impressive, even if there's ways to pick it apart and make it look worse than it's really been.       


Edited by Colorado Rockies 1976, 28 April 2014 - 03:54 PM.

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Even when Marty comes back maybe Larry should put Clemmensen to be on the goal during the shootouts.
Can the coach do that ? Switch the goalies 5 seconds to go in overtime?
- Most priceless quote ever posted on a message board.

Martin Brodeur: THE MOST ALL-TIME WINS!, 12 straight seasons of 30+ wins, 3 Stanley Cups, 4 Vezina Trophies, and zero respect from too many so-called Devils "fans" who are either too young or too bandwagon to remember the much darker days of Sean Burke, Craig Billington, Bob Sauve, Alain Chevrier, and the talented but overwhelmed Chico Resch, among many others.

It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 08:16 PM

They're trying to get it in during this cold, rainy mini monsoon of sorts. Let's hope we can get through 5 with the lead and they just call it. Ugly ugly looking game


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Posted 30 April 2014 - 06:06 AM

Gotta wonder what TC is thinking sometimes...Niese has already had two MRIs this season and isn't exactly known for his durability, yet TC sends him out there for the 7th with a five-run lead so that Niese can finish the game with 108 pitches thrown...after an off-day no less, when the bullpen has gotten some rest. 

 

But good game for Niese (hope there's no ill-effects). 

 

Team ERA has been dropping (now down to 3.57)...still below the current NL average of 3.47, and I know there's much more indicative numbers that take more into account than simple ERA does, but they've had a nice run since that 14-2 bombing...only 38 runs allowed in 14 GP since.  The Mets are 10-4 in those games, and have outscored their opponents 59-38.  Pretty nice run. 

 

Pitching numbers definitely have the chance to take a pretty severe beating though in the next five games...one more game in the Phillie bandbox, and then four in good ol' Colorado. 


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